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Microsoft Sends Linux Survey

GnrlFajita writes "According to Newsforge, Microsoft is sending Linux users a survey asking why they use Linux, and what can be done to make Windows better. The article suggests taking the survey (or surveys, one for business users and one for home users), then sharing your answers with others in the community." Newsforge and Slashdot are both part of OSDN.

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  1. Survey taylored with Slashdotters in mind :) by DeathPenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last four options in the "rank the reasons you like Linux for the home" section:
    The satisfaction of not giving Microsoft more money.
    I don't trust Microsoft.
    I don't want to use proprietary software.
    I don't want to use commercial software.

    I was almost taking the survey seriously until I saw those options.

    1. Re:Survey taylored with Slashdotters in mind :) by ibbey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was almost taking the survey seriously until I saw those options.

      Actually, those are important questions. Any surveys that say that any of those areas are "very important", are immediately assumed to be from zealots, and there answers are given less credence if not ignored completely. I haven't submitted my response yet (still debating on whethter or not I want to help them.) but when I do, the answer to all four of those questions will be #2 out of the 5 point scale.

    2. Re:Survey taylored with Slashdotters in mind :) by catbutt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm confused as to why those would make you not take the survey seriously. They seem like valid answers, and if that's the way people feel, they should want to know about it, right? I would not be surprised if they designed their survey by first asking people to answer the questions "free form" (i.e. not multiple choice), and then tried to include the most popular answers in their multiple choice.

    3. Re:Survey taylored with Slashdotters in mind :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what would happen if someone taking a survey notices that a significant number of their responses come from what they consider to be zealots? Then maybe the survey takers are the zealots?

      Maybe it is just my zealotry. But those four reasons seem like real reasons to me. Not the only ones.

      I find it offensive that some people try to paint Open Source advocates as zealots, but Microsoft zealots are painted as "reasonable". It is reasonable that Microsoft wants to declare war on my profession. They want to take the bread off my table. They want complete and total domination. If there is anywhere left to work it can only be at Microsoft's pleasure as a Microsoft raped solution provider or somehow in collusion with Microsoft. They say in interviews that they believe that their fair share of the market is 100%.

      I am just being defensive. Microsoft is the one declaring war on me.

      Why it is unreasonable to take a customer-centric view of everything rather than a vendor-centric view of everything.

      I regularly have debates with a Windows zealot. He is every bit as biased, passionate and a zealot as I am. But he doesn't believe that he is. I recognize that I am. I try to still make reasonable decisions. But how can a True Believer Zealot (tm) who thinks they are NOT a zealot make reasonable decisions?

      How is it that only Open Source people are zealots?

    4. Re:Survey taylored with Slashdotters in mind :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm confused as to why those would make you not take the survey seriously. They seem like valid answers, and if that's the way people feel, they should want to know about it, right? I would not be surprised if they designed their survey by first asking people to answer the questions "free form" (i.e. not multiple choice), and then tried to include the most popular answers in their multiple choice.

  2. Somehow pathetic by DuSTman31 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    like when the retarded kid at school asks you how to become more popular..

    Still, the biggest advantage I can think of is the open source model - the industry has been working for years on ways to increase reuse, but commercial licensing and patent issues get in the way of that.

  3. this makes MS looks stupid by cRueLio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First they were insulting Linux and saying it has problems bigger than windows, and in the last week they seem to have shown interest in learning from windows. this is like an admission that their software is worse than linux. just my $.02

  4. Not to be pro-microsoft, but... by BlkPanther · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we were all really non-hypocritical, and truly interested in security, and usability, and not just microsoft bashing, this is a great opportunity to help them out and point out their flaws.... NAH!!

    But seriously, we all complain about MS's problems, now we've actually got a outlet to complain to. If you don't speak up now, you really have no room to speak later!

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  5. doh! by tuxette · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your business?'

    ...

    They apparently don't plan to release the results of their surveys...

    They just don't get it, do they?

    Otherwise, I agree with some of the respondants on NewsForge - don't do the survey. It's just free marketing etc. info for Microsoft. They're not worth it.

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  6. Re:Splash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what can be done to make windows better:

    remove all the spyware, follow international standards protocolwise, give the user full control over security, drop that stupid online registration
    and stop the we are at war with the rest of the industry attitude and you will have my cash again.

    To make it short become the microsoft of 82-83 again...

  7. Microsoft Sends Linux Survey by crushinghellhammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could this possibly be a fake? You would think Microsoft would plaster the website with TMs, and legalese.

    Also is it common practice for big corps to use SurveyMonkey. If they are being so open about it, why didn't they have it someplace on Microsoft's site?

    Just a thought..

  8. Odd, why surveymonkey? by essdodson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why did MS choose to use surveymonkey? This seems like a hoax.

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  9. It's like they read my mind! by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the survey:
    • Its cheaper
    • There is more free add-on software
    • Better gaming experience
    • Ability to run on old hardware
    • More secure than Windows
    • I want to get more Linux experience to help my career
    • No need to constantly keep installing updates and fixes
    • Integration with consumer electronics devices
    • Better performance than Windows
    • Easier to use than Windows
    • Easier to install than Windows
    • Better install and uninstall of additional software
    • No enforced license registration
    • Better scripting
    • Better command line
    • Better device and peripheral support
    • Access to source code
    • Easier to customize exactly how I want it
    • More intuitive, simpler to understand
    • Linux community support
    • Better reliability
    • The satisfaction of not giving Microsoft more money.
    • I don't trust Microsoft
    • I don't want to use proprietary software
    • I don't want to use commercial software
  10. Re:How to make Windows Better... by Almost-Retired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I took a look, at the first page. That was enough to make me hit the back button.

    Any questionaire that starts out with a legal header is up to no good. Now, if Bill were to knock on my front door, and was willing to actually talk about it without getting bent cause I said his eula's were a work of the devil (the fact that they are isn't open for discussion IMO), then maybe we could have an informative discussion.

    But you *know* what the chances of that are...

    First, we kill all the lawyers.

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  11. Windows is not better technically by zzabur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 1999 or so, when I started using Linux for most time, Windows WAS a lot better for most purposes -- if you forget stability. For example, there was no decent web browser for Linux, only Netscape 4 which crashed all the time. Basically, it was really hard to get even basic desktop functionality.

    Today, Mozilla Firebird is much better than IE, and in general, Linux has a good or at least useable solution for any need I have. In addition, it's getting better every month. Bad fonts were fixed with BitstreamVera and OpenOffice 1.1 is finally "good enough". Programming tools, etc, were much better for Linux back in 1995. On the other hand, MS products have mainly become slower, more bloated and even clumsier to use.

    I would choose Linux over Windows based on merit and usability alone even in the case both were equally free.

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  12. Re:How to make Windows Better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Microsoft is deliberately seeking information they can use against Linux. They will make use of any unfavorable comments about Linux in their own propaganda.

    The bottom line for me is exactly what you stated. They have a legal statement at the beginning that says they can make use of your answers however they want. Frankly, my comments about both Windows and Linux are professional opinions. People pay me for those. Microsoft explicitly stated that they weren't paying.

    Also, when it comes to a decision about what OS to put on my own hardware, they must discuss it on my terms, not theirs. Here's what Windows would have to have to compete with Linux:

    • Full source code for all Microsoft products released under the GPL.
    • All protocols, APIs and data formats fully documented.
    • All security holes disguised as features closed, permanently, and no new ones added, ever.
    • Dump Trusted Computing. It is about restricting the rights of the end user.
    • A tool set comparable to Linux, free. That is, compilers and interpreters for C, C++, Fortran, Ada, Pascal, Objective C, Prolog, Haskell, Lisp, Perl, Python, Awk, lex, yacc, Basic, etc., etc. Debuggers, libraries, editors, profilers. Libraries for test scaffolding like CppUnit and JUnit.
    • A promise that existing formats will be readable and losslessly convertable to future formats, forever.
    • A repudiation of their old EULAs and conversion of all of them to the GPL.
    • No forced upgrades.
    • No coerced upgrades, where existing users have to plead with people who have already upgraded to jump through hoops to avoid sending unreadable new formats.
    • Choices. Under Linux, I can choose Gnome, KDE, plain X with a variety of window managers etc. I can also choose AbiWord or OpenOffice or many others. I don't want a world where one company maintains a de facto standard and actively hinders anyone else's attempts to interact with it.


    There is nothing to trust about Microsoft.
  13. Re:How to make Windows Better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Full source code for all Microsoft products released under the GPL.

    You could have ended your list here. The GPL addresses all of the remaining items.

  14. Re:How to make Windows Better... by Devil · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Microsoft is deliberately seeking information they can use against Linux. They will make use of any unfavorable comments about Linux in their own propaganda."

    Of course they will, but Linux users can always say, "Hey, Microsoft knows they have an inferior product, so they came to us for help." As much as /. people hate Windows, this is, I think, a good thing.

    First, by asking Linux users what they can do to improve Windows, it is a de facto admission that Windows is an inferior product. Second, maybe we could get some good things out of it, like fully-documented APIs and more-open protocols from Microsoft.

    However, don't expect Microsoft to release jack under the GPL. Put it out of your mind, because it'll never happen. And don't expect that Linux users are going to go easy on Microsoft. We have put them in our sights and will take them down, not through legal wrangling, but because the open-source community will out-build them.

  15. Re:How to make Windows Better... by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And how many of those come with Windows? You can't even rip music to MP3s without loading extra software.

    So, Microsoft should bundle *more* software?

    I'm all for it, but you that for every item added, there's gonna be somebody unhappy because MSFT has (somehow or other) reduced the user's choice. And they'll be right in line behind those bemoaning the disk space reuqired to install Windows.

    Before: Windows doesn't include MP3 ripping software!

    After: Call the laywers! Microsoft is freezing out competitors by including MP3 ripping software!

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  16. Re:How to make Windows Better... by antek9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For starters: how about issueing online surveys that don't demand cookies to be accepted?

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