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Satellite Radio Systems Compared

The NYT has a review/comparison of XM radio and Sirius, the two systems of digital satellite radio. Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.

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  1. Well, lessee... by dacarr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Clear signal, buncha different stations, can carry it wherever, excellent audio on the Delphi units, and costs $10 per month. Oh, yeah, only commercials are the brief spots advertising upcoming shows for (say) Dr. Demento and other bits.

    Yeah, I'd buy that for $10. Hmm... FP?

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  2. FYI by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Delphi, the major maker of XM receivers has announced that they are moving all product design and engineering offshore because workers in the USA are paid too much.

    You may want to take that into account when picking a system.

  3. Not just that... by macdaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.

    My folks just built a log home in an area where you can not get any cellular signal. You can barely pickup the nearest radio stations, and that's only if you hold your nose just right. TV via antenna is next to impossible thanks to our hills that surround the home. Satelitte isn't just used by radio aficionados. Real folks like you and I sometimes need it.

    1. Re:Not just that... by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hehe, quite true. They really aren't in the middle of now where. It may be to some people; actually I'm sure it is to some people. The house is about 5 miles off of the highway (a US highway BTW). Dirt roads of course. Rural water doesn't reach. We are the end of the phone line, literally. The town they are moving from is 6 miles south of the house and had only 231 people in the last census. That's not too remote. Still it's rural Kansas. I'm always amazed at the people that think our nearest larger town of 11,000 people is dinky. City folks. City slickers. Ha! When I was a kid we cut and sold hedge posts (you might not know what those are if you're a city slicker) to a guy from Satanta, KS. He had 3 ranches, the main one in Clayton, New Mexico. The driveway to that ranch was 20 miles long. That's after a 12 mile drive off the highway. When Dean, his foreman, rode fence he was gone for 3 days. That's remote. :) Thanks for the comments.

    2. Re:Not just that... by 87C751 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Although I do have a CD player in my car, I like to hear new things that I haven't heard before, and it gets expensive buying new CD's all the time
      If you have an MP3 CD player in your car (they're down to less than $200 these days) and a CD burner, grab yourself a copy of streamripper and aim it at your favorite Shoutcast stream for about 10 hours. Then trim the saved stuff to ~670MB and burn to a CD-R. (128kb streams usually run around 9-10 hours per CD-R) Now you have a source of new material for substantially less than buying new (even bargain) CDs. I've been doing this for years.
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  4. Definately by NiTr|c · · Score: 4, Interesting

    not worth it. You'd have to spend quite a bit of time in your vehicle to make staellite radio worth the cost that it is now. One may as well invest in a multi-disc changer that reads MP3 discs. This way you can have hours upon hours of music that you choose, commercial free. Hopefully, if/when a song sharing service comes around that is legal and not stomped by the RIAA, people will pay the cost per song, be able to burn them all to CD, and then listen in the car. I don't see how paying a monthy fee for satellite radio is even justified when we already have the technology to give ourselves hours of music on a single CD. IMHO, staellite radio hasn't really taken off, and I don't think it ever will. It just seems like a bad trend.

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    1. Re:Definately by anubi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You just hit upon the item which would push me over the edge to buy into this should they offer it.

      They already are transmitting "near CD quality" compressed bitstream with accurate artist/label tags. Now, if there were some way my receiver would simply monitor the incoming bitstream and snag the incoming stream to hard disk, accumulating generic MP3 of what's transmitted.

      I have no problem with paying for a subscription.

      Most likely, I would listen to music coming from the drive, so I could transfer off stuff I liked for use in the car or jogging player, as well as immediately ditch the stuff that didn't do anything for me. If I do not like the first fifteen seconds of it, I want the capability of flushing it.

      Being I have paid for the right to enjoy the music transmitted, if I wanna listen to a rerun, that oughta be my prerogative. Somehow, I can't feel I am cheating anybody out of anything if I have already paid to have a continuous stream of music beamed at me, and I save snippets for my own use. I guess its the same feeling I have that if I am paying my water bill, its not stealing if I fill a bottle at my kitchen faucet to take jogging with me, despite the fact Dasani might see my doing so as a lost sale of bottled water.

      Its funny how business keeps playing games and wondering why people do what they do to try to adapt to their business plan. They play region encoding games so one group of people can see a movie and another cannot, then wonder why people encode and share movies. They play all sorts of encryption games with music and wonder why people share MP3. Just as this discussion has repeated over and over, people will go with a subscription model - and pay for it. Its really time consuming to go through all these workarounds to get what I want. I don't like playing all these games, but I feel I am forced into it. When all is said and done, I just want a plain vanilla file I can open up in any generic reader. Whether it be audio, video, or text. We've all been bit by these proprietary formats du jour. I don't expect to tell them what they can spend the money I exchanged for the music for, neither will I tolerate them selling me a bitstream which they still control after the sale.

      If it is a fact of life that they control my personal use of the product after the sale, then I feel we must do some more research on electronic money transfers, and give me the right to control the money I exchanged for the product so I still control it even after the sale.

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  5. Of course, the question remains: by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In every article I read about satellite radio, the one part that really pushes me back from purchasing one is this:

    Is there censorship???

    That's the one thing that bugs me more than anything else about an AM / FM radio. When I listen to songs, I'm tired of the FCC regulating stations, and butchering songs I would otherwise appreciate into beeps, buzzes, silent space, and otherwise crap FX.

    Maybe I'm the only one, but I couldn't care less about having a radio station that I could bring with me across the country. I'm more concerned about

    a) Having a radio station not play the same thing 20x a day and
    b) Having them NOT butcher the song.

    Of course, I've been to all the places, Best Buy, etc and ask them. They don't know. I don't have any friends with this device.

    So for now, it's a no go. Not until I know that it's uncensored, and always will be that way.

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  6. A blessing for use in aircraft... by meekjt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I listen to Sirius everyday at work for about 4-8 hours a day. Now that I have it, I would say that I would have to quit my job if I ever could not listen to it for some reason. I fly aerial surveying missions, and it can get very boring up there with nothing to do. Now I have a way to have entertainment anywhere in the country, even in the middle of the desert at 12000 feet!!

    I have 100 channels to chose from, and have yet to get bored of the 5 or 6 I listen to regularly. I personally think Sirius is much better than XM, mainly for these "streams" as they call them: 2 NPRs, PRI and JamOn. There defiantly is a reason to pay for radio!

  7. Re:Short summary of article.. by svanstrom · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Everyone supports XM, nobody supports Sirius. Just get XM and don't look like a betamax weenie. :-)


    5 years from now the only system in use could be [thisNewSystem], leaving you looking not just like a betamax weenie, but like a betamax weenie without any tapes...

    Late 90's I was trying to buy a small(ish) portable DAB-radio (Digital Audio Broadcasting; not by satelite), but there just were none available on the market (and the "desktop"-models were too expensive to be worth it, IMHO).

    Then I got myself one of those, at the time, brand new 20 GB iPods, and I never thought about (digital) radio again.

    Currently I'm carrying around just under a week worth of music, comedy and, soon enough, even some books... listening to the music you like without paying a monthly fee (for music you can't even keep) sure beats radio.

    Oh, I also do some time-shifting of netradio, so if I grow tired of those 10(ish) GB of music I've already got, there's always new content available to me.
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  8. It's easy to blame CC by idiotnot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But they're hardly the problem. CC is a clumsy puppy -- well intentioned, but poorly trained. Since the mid-80's on the FM dial, and the early-90's on the AM dial, there hasn't been a whole lot of variety. Every market has a whacky Morning Zoo show on a heavy metal or top 40 station. They play bits created by a syndicator, and pass them off as "something funny we came up with last night." Then you have the AM stations which are either syndicated AM talk, or satelitte religious programming.

    So, what's Clear Channel done? They're trying to make their AM stations like local TV stations. Local news/issues programs during prime time, and well-known network programming other times. For the music stations, it's even easier. They've got vertical integration among the stations, with playlists based on formats. Go ahead, examine the playlists of stations in the same format owned by companies other than Clear Channel. By and large, it's the same music.

    The only real difference between markets is the level of talent and the fit and polish of the delivery. In big markets, you get good jocks and tight production. In small markets, you can hear some pretty awful radio. :-) I'm sitting in a station newsroom right now, at work, so I think I know what I'm talking about here. And no, I don't work for Clear Channel.

    As for XM, I've done three cross-country trips in the past two years via auto. I don't think I'd want to do it without an XM receiver. While there is some good local stuff out there, XM is good quality wherever you happen to be, and it's consistent. Montana is big, and sometimes you can't find a station for a couple of hours. I think the talk programming is better on XM than on Sirius, but that's just personal opinion. If you really dig on NPR, Sirius would probalby be more your cup of tea.

  9. Different plan by LinuxGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just bought a dvd burner and plan to pick up a ~$40 dvd player that plays mp3s. Most of the ones I've seen have a seperate power supply and I'll build a small power converter so it will be happy with the 12v in my car and then hook up to the aux-in on my pioneer.

    Instant 4.7gigs of audio files and a remote control to boot. Even with my wide range of tastes ( some say bizarre) I'll only need a few discs worth to take my entire collection. Simple matter to re-rip all the Beatles albums at higher bitrates too since I'm not trying to cram stuff onto CD-Rs.

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  10. Re:efficient? by Artifex · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Is it still efficient if it's your job?


    Of course it is. What, you expect me to lay aside rational thought because of personal investment in the outcome? You probably want victims deciding punishment for criminals, instead of impartial judges, too.

    The efficient worker is adaptable and retrains. He doesn't rely on protectionism to keep his job at the expense of the buying power of everyone else in his country.
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  11. In dash receiver quality by dschuetz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing that's still keeping me from taking the XM plunge is the lack of decent in-dash receivers. Sure, there are plenty of receivers that are "XM Ready" (though they all seem to require an additional $200+ receiver module that I'll have to attach somewhere else in the car). But most of them have only 8- or 16-character displays.

    I mean, most cars these days (or so it seems -- all of our last cars at least) have large receiver openings (double-size or so). There's PLENTY of space for a CD / XM receiver with a nice, multi-line display and decent controls. But even the double-DIN receivers from Pioneer still only have 8-character displays. It's crazy.

    And I don't even get me started on how most radios these days are just an ugly mess of widgets and doodads with very little thought to function or quality. The best-looking, most functional, radios out there all seem to be original factory radios. And they simply don't have the MP3 / Satellite features.

    What I want, basically, is the nice Delphi XM receiver integrated in a double-DIN CD receiver, with aux inputs for my MP3 player, a half-dozen preset buttons, a volume knob, and a tuning / navigation / feature knob. Is that too much to ask? (and, no, I don't want to stick the Delphi receiver somewhere else on my dash -- with my Palm/GPS combo, I've already got more velcro then I'd really like.)

  12. My Sirius Experience by C.+Alan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a Kenwood Here2Anywhere reciever, with a home reciever cradle in my living room, and a reciever cradle in both of my vehicles. One think I must say is that the stock setup for the vehicles SUCK! They come with a tape deck adapter, and my unit bearly puts out enough power to the tape deck that you have to turn the volume all the way up to hear the audio. In my other vehicle, I didn't have a tape deck, so I bought a $45 FM modulator that you have splice into the antenna. This systme works much better, and sound quality is excelent. If you are thinking of purchasing any of the protable units, make sure you have an auxilary audio-in on your car sterio system. If not, don't use the dinky tape deck setup, spring for a FM modulator. The Kenwood FM modulator I purchased uses RCA cables for the audio in. So if you mount an RCA plug set up on your dash, you could use it for not only your satilite system, but you could plug in a CD player, or any other audio device that has an RCA out.

  13. My Sirius experience by NitroWolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had been looking at Satellite radio for awhile, but always concluded that I did not want to pay $10 - $13 a month for the service... So I never bothered to purchase the equipment.

    While cruising one of my daily sites, someone had posted a message that Sears had a Sirius radio package deal... everything you need to get Sirius up and running for $50. I figured, for that price, I couldn't lose.

    It tooks 2 months, and Sears finally cancled my order because they realized that the demand for the box set had exceeded the order. I was pissed off. Not because they misjudged the amount of orders that would come in... That's somewhat understandable. I would have let the subject drop right there if that was the problem. But no.. they had CHARGED my card two months ago, and I was thus paying interest (actually, it was a debit card, but Sears didn't know that) for two months on a product I didn't have. That's what really ticked me off... they took my money, used it for 2 months, and then said "oh... sorry, here's your money back, and we won't pay you interest." I wasn't about to stand for that.

    I stomped down to my local Sears and bitched up a storm. They finally agreed to cobble together a similar Sirius system and give it to me for the $50 price.

    The next day, I installed the system, via the FM modulator and got it hooked up. It was pretty easy to install myself. I had never installed any radio equipment in a vehicle before. Learned quite a bit, actually. Anyway, it fired right up and sounded a lot better than I was expecting considering it was via FM modulator. In fact, it sounded just like my stock head unit.

    I'm not a big fan of stock head units, but I have not replaced my current head unit in my vehicle, even though I've had it 3.5 years. Boy... am I glad I waited.

    I'm going to be getting a Sirius head unit, so I can plug directly into it. I love the Sirius, and I won't ever be going back to "regular" FM radio again. I will happily pay the $13/mo that I was reluctant to pay after actually using the system. The lack of commercials is so liberating. It's so frigging nice to turn on the radio, and listen without hearing all the bullshit I hear on FM stations. I have about 6 channels I listen to regularly, and I can usually find someone on one of the 6 that I like at any given time. There are a few occasions when all six channels suck, and I will jump around and experiment with other stations.

    There are a few nitpicks that I have, though.

    First, the fact that Kenwood Sirius tuners are not compatible with Panasonic Sirius tuners is ridiculous. They are both Sirius tuners, they should be compatible with any Sirius head unit. The upside of this is, the Kenwood Sirius tuner is $150, and is what I currently have. The Panasonic tuner is $50. Why is that important? Because all but the most expensive ($500) Kenwood Head Units suck. Really bad. Their LCD displays are like 10 Character, vintage 1990's displays. On the other hand, the Panasonic head unit (983 I think?) has a nice Active Matrix display for $200. That's the head unit I'm going to be buying here after Christmas... but I'm going to have to plunk down an additional $50 for the Panasonic Sirius tuner... which kind of irks me.

    The other nitpick I have, which may or may not go away with the new head unit is the fact that channel surfing is exceptionally difficult. It's hard to find the stations you might want to listen to, and skip over the junk you know for sure you don't want to listen to. Currently, on the FM modulator, there's only 6 preset buttons, with 4 different positions. So you can have a total of 24 presets. However, getting to the 2, 3 and 4th position pre-sets is a pain in the ass. So I pretty much stick with the first 6 pre-sets.

    Couple the fact that the FM modulator is a Kenwood unit, with it's 10 character display, and it's impossible to have the information you want on the screen up at any given time. You are limited to a portion of the song title, OR