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Making Antibubbles in Beer from Belgium

An anonymous reader writes "About.com reports on "Antibubbles in beer from Belgium". Scientists in Belgium have studied the movement of antibubbles (the exact opposite of regular bubbles) in Flemish beer. They found that the beer was very similar, but not the same as, dishwater. You can also learn how to make antibubbles in your kitchen from soapy water."

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  1. yeah, but.... by eyegor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, some beers are more like dishwater than others.

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    1. Re:yeah, but.... by Scott+Wood · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Water goes down smoother than any beer; I'd expect it to still be the case if you added enough vodka to bring it up to a typical beer's strength. However, some of us want more than just alcohol, "goes down smooth", and cheapness from our beers.

      And yes, I've had MGD before. I'll pass.

  2. Antibubbles by Staos · · Score: 5, Funny

    But does the beer explode?

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    1. Re:Antibubbles by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only when the Antibubbles encounter the bubbles.

      Jason
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    2. Re:Antibubbles by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


      I want to know what an anti-fart smells like and how anti-splatterbum will look in the bowl.

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    3. Re:Antibubbles by SatanicLoveMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Many a dry-t-shirt contest was sadly fueled by the aforementioned...

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    4. Re:Antibubbles by McDutchie · · Score: 5, Funny
      But does the beer explode?
      No; it implodes.
    5. Re:Antibubbles by stanmann · · Score: 3, Funny

      On slashdot we are already knurds.

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    6. Re:Antibubbles by telekon · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think RMS is a more likely a gnurd.

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  3. Experiments == the Scientific Method by GnrlFajita · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm off to the liquor store, then -- in the name of science, of course!

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    1. Re:Experiments == the Scientific Method by amasci · · Score: 4, Informative
      Note that it's VERY easy to blow antibubbles. The main trick is to set up a clean liquid surface with a bit of detergent in the water.

      Some antibubble references:

      C.L. Stong, "Curious Bubbles in Which a Gas Encloses a Liquid Instead of the Other Way Around",
      Scientific American Magazine, THE AMATEUR SCIENTIST, April 1974

      Project websites:

      J. Thomas page
      http://www.antibubble.org/

      Science Hobbyist Page
      http://amasci.com/amateur/antibub/antibub1.html

      T. Fritz page (more advanced tricks)
      http://hot-streamer.com/antibubbles/

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  4. You can make beer that tastes like dishwater? by Pingular · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about making dishwater that tastes like beer?

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    1. Re:You can make beer that tastes like dishwater? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      i think hes talking about american beer.

      No, they leave the beer out. ;)

  5. I wonder... by SargeZT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Antimatter Beer? That's a hell of a bite.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by eyegor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, you have to drink to stay sober.... taxes ones bank account after a while..... sigh....

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  6. Antibubbles by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do the antibubbles make you antidrunk?? or just antisocial?

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  7. Bet the field research was fun by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Not sure we saw it that time. Another round please."

  8. Easy! by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ingredients:

    Dishwater
    Beer

    In sink, add beer to dishwater. Stir.

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    1. Re:Easy! by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's how they make "Lite" beer. ;)

  9. Getting Tired Of All This by tds67 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dr Dorbolo said "We also found that when they die, or burst, they morph into a form of structure which we have nicknamed the jellyfish form because it looks very like a jellyfish swimming through water. It slowly moves and fades away until it disappears altogether."

    Will the Slashdot reporting on SCO ever cease?

  10. I don't drink and this is why by 77Punker · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...dishwater"

  11. Antibubbles bursting by hurtstotouchfire · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Dr Dorbolo said "We also found that when they die, or burst, they morph into a form of structure which we have nicknamed the jellyfish form because it looks very like a jellyfish swimming through water. It slowly moves and fades away until it disappears altogether."

    For anyone who's seen a slow motion video of a bubble bursting, that sounds like it looks very similar. The whole forming and bursting of antibubbles is interesting, because from the articles it sounds like they're very similar to normal bubbles. That seems like it would imply some kind of air-counterpart to surface tension.

    1. Re:Antibubbles bursting by Megasphaera+Elsdenii · · Score: 3, Interesting
      > That seems like it would imply some kind of air-counterpart to surface tension.

      No; the general term is interface tension, and its behaviour and magnitude is a function of the media on both sides of the interface. In case one of the media is air, it's called the surface tension (of beer, in the current case), but it implicitly involves the air as well.

  12. these look like bicelles by McDrewbie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least looking at the picture for makign antibubbles with dishwater, these merely look like bicelles. Basically, the detergents line up so that their hydrophobic tails interact and their hydrophilic head groups form a barrier on each side, just like a lipid bilayer in a cell membrane. Air is in the tail layer, and water inside and outside.

  13. scientists and beer by joeldg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sort of makes you wonder what the relationship is between science and beer with the amount of research that has gone into beer.

    I mean.. how many articles have been on slashdot about "scientists discover why bubbles in beer go up/down/sideways in space/a vacuum/on the moon" etc etc.. Seems like hundreds over the years..

    I am not complaining.. I mean, I sit there and look into my beer and wonder about the bubbles sometimes.. just wondering who is paying for this research?

    1. Re:scientists and beer by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I am not complaining.. I mean, I sit there and look into my beer and wonder about the bubbles sometimes.. just wondering who is paying for this research?

      Wise people who understand that the applications of a theory or effect may go far beyond the scope of the original experiment?

  14. I wonder if by jptechnical · · Score: 4, Funny

    O'Douls can produce antibubbles? And if so would it then be an Antibeer Antibubble? Or is it still just gross.

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  15. Anti-Bubbles by lordvdr · · Score: 3, Funny

    So presumably they had to split the beer atom right?

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  16. what does by theMerovingian · · Score: 4, Funny

    an antiburp sound like?

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  17. antibubbles and decomposition by photoblur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An antibubble is a droplet of fluid surrounded by an gasseous membrane, as opposed to a fluid membrane around air. Of course, creating a gasseous membrane is a much more difficult proposition than creating a fluid membrane, which is why this is such an interesting discovery. (well, that and because it relates science and beer...)

    When discussing the death of the antibubble, Dr. Dorbolo states:

    We also found that when they die, or burst, they morph into a form of structure which we have nicknamed the jellyfish form because it looks very like a jellyfish swimming through water. It slowly moves and fades away until it disappears altogether.
    Wouldn't an antibubble just decompose to form a regular bubble of gas within the liquid? Or is he saying that the gas is re-dissolved into the beer?
    1. Re:antibubbles and decomposition by hurtstotouchfire · · Score: 3, Informative
      I'd expect that in a pure liquid (They initially felt that it would be impossible to form antibubbles - it is impossible to form antibubbles (or bubbles) using pure water, alcohol or oil - a surfactant is needed.) any potential antibubbles would indeed decompose into regular bubbles. (see previous comment)

      From what I can gather, the difference is the way air reacts in a liquid containing surfactants: Definition: a linear molecule with a hydrophilic (attracted to water) head and a hydrophobic (repelled by water) end. Surfactants tend to clump together when in solution - forming a surface between the fluid and air with the hydrophobic tails in the air and the hydrophilic heads in the fluid.
      It actually sounds very similar to the formation of a bubble, but in this case, before the surface tension forces it into the shape of a filled sphere, the two ends of the shape are attracted to each other and attatch, trapping a globule of water. I can definitly see hydrophobic/hydrophilic forces being stronger, or at least quicker than brute surface tension. Instead of it just being a matter of the two substances (the air and water) trying to group their molecules together, there's the added draw of satisfying the hydrophobic/hydrophilic ends of the molecule by butting them up against air and water respectively.

    2. Re:antibubbles and decomposition by Da+w00t · · Score: 3, Informative

      The most common place I've seen "antibubbles" (a globe of liquid floating ontop of other liquid, separated by air) has been in puddles of rain water when it's raining, and sometimes inside my 2lt bottle of coke. These "antibubbles" are really just small balls of liquid, that float and roll around ontop of another liquid, until surface tension gives way.

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  18. Misnomer by Angostura · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Scientists in Belgium have studied the movement of antibubbles (the exact opposite of regular bubbles)"

    I always get a bit annoyed when I see this type of thing. Calling them 'antibubbles' makes them sound exciting, saying they are 'the exact opposite of bubbles' makes them sound intriguing.

    The exact opposite of a bubble would be an airborn droplet.

    These are 'hollow bubbles' if anything

    1. Re:Misnomer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The exact opposite of a bubble would be an airborn droplet."

      I dunno, I've never heard of a rainbubble before.

      A bubbling effect is created by a liquid membrane forming between two gaseous environments, so how is an airborne droplet the exact opposite if it's just a drop of fluid in the air?

    2. Re:Misnomer by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative
      The problem here is that 'bubble' means two different things. A 'soap bubble' usually means a spherical layer of liquid, hanging in air, with air inside it. They have two liquid-gas surfaces. Another kind of bubble is simply a blob of gas inside a liquid; it has only one surface.

      The article refers to the first kind of bubble. That way their definition of antibubble works perfectly, reversing the liquid and the gas in a (soap) bubble.

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  19. Link to real article by gnalle · · Score: 4, Informative


    Here is a link to an article . I looks like they produce a cell membrane with air in the middle.
    This membrane is stable because the hydrophobic chains of the surfactant molecules are slightly electronegative.

  20. drink less, RTFA more by Matchstick · · Score: 3, Informative

    An antibubble is not a bubble that floats downwards. It's a bubble whose membrane is made of air instead of fluid.

  21. See them at Antibubble.org by FreeLinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    I didn't find a video but, this site clearly explains antibubbles and includes several good pictures of them.

  22. The end of the world or warp drive? by thepuma · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe if the Bubble and Anti-Bubbles were to mix, they would annihialte each other, producing a massive headache!

    - or -

    You could produce some sort of beer warp field from the reaction. I am sure commander Scott would approve...just pour some Guiness into the Warp Core! Saves us from having to pay for all those expensive di-lithium crystals!

    - Captain Kirk

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  23. Coolest bubbles... by simetra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The coolest bubbles I've seen in my kitchen are bubbles in hot cocoa that contain an island of dry powder.

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  24. Re:Misnomer, and more antibub info by amasci · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The exact opposite of a bubble would be an airborn droplet.

    Yes and no. True, the opposite of an UNDERWATER bubble is an airborne droplet.

    However, the opposite of a soap bubble in air drifting on the breeze is an antibubble drifting around underwater.

    The part about beer is interesting because it's analogous to blowing soap bubbles on an extremely humid day: the bubbles last longer, or possibly last forever if the air is slightly supersaturated.

    An antibubble in beer would collect more and more carbon dioxide into its thin gas layer. If it didn't touch the fluid surface from below, there'd be no reason for it to burst.

    Although first observed and studied almost a century ago, no one until now has been able to determine how they form.

    Yeah, right. Even little kids have been making antibubbles since that article came out in 1974. If you've tried making them, it's totally obvious how they form. Perhaps what's not totally obvious is why a thin layer of air is stable underwater. But if detergents can stablize an air/water interface in a normal bubble, then this explains both a water film in the air, and an air film underwater.

    Antibub trivia: antibubbles have "rainbow" colors, but the rainbows in the opposite place from a soap bubble: they appear at the bottom of the sphere. And of course the rainbows in both bubbles and antibubbles are not rainbows, instead they're antirainbows: dark spectral slots in white light. They're bands of "subtractive colors;" cyan, magenta, yellow.

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