Slashdot Mirror


New Survey Finds No Linux 'Chill' From SCO Suit

daddywonka writes "According to this article at internetnews.com, an upcoming survey from the Robert Frances Group shows that 'cost-savings and the General Public License, or GPL, are trumping any concerns about SCO Group's claim of copyright infringement within parts of Linux.' The survey only covers 15 companies. That doesn't seem very reassuring to me. Do any slashdotters have experience with their companies pulling the plug on Linux projects due to the SCO trial or is it business as usual?"

10 of 582 comments (clear)

  1. No worries... by danielrm26 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason the SCO heat is not affecting Linux deployments all that much is simple - most Linux admins are knowledgeable enough to gather that it's only a matter of time before the entire SCO thing blows over. Armed with this knowledge, they are able to make a convincing argument to management that there is nothing to worry about, and any Linux projects on the table are able to move forward as planned.

    I am sure there are exceptions, but my guess is that this is the overall trend.

    --
    dmiessler.com -- grep understanding knowledge
    1. Re:No worries... by utlemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, anyone with half of a brain cell and the logic abilities of a four year old can figure out that the SCO lawsuit is a bunch of hog-wash. Seriously, any large scale deployments of Linux will not be deterred because of the cost. Who would get the money? If SCO does win (and we all know that SCO winning is like betting that a snow ball can survive five minute in hell) then they might be forced to pay out IF SCO finds out about the deployment before there is a conversion over to one of the BSD's. Also a compitent admin can hide a Linux machine from looking like a Linux machine on the internet.

      But all this does not really matter. What matters is that the public statments SCO has made do not add to there case but take away. IBM has been smart and kept their mouth shut. If you notice, the more SCO talks, the more bad press they get. When this whole fiasco started, SCO was blabbing away, and IBM kept quiet. Then IBM counter-sued and kept moving. While SCO started to cry foul. Now even the NYTimes has picked up on the merritless nature of their case. More and more editorials are not boading well for them. So even the non-geeks are getting into it.

      But still, Darl did get a place on the top 25 CEO's. And there is still some favorable press. However, by and by, it looks like SCO shot themselves in the foot by refusing to keep their mouth shut, substaniate their claims and by alienating a lot of people.

      --
      The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
  2. Re:My boss doesn't really give a *&$# by goranb · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't even think my boss knows about the SCO lawsuit

    Which means you dont have a clue about how he feels about the whole thing.
    If he would know about the lawsuit, he might think/act differently...
  3. Re:My company... by SkArcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now this is an important matter: although the rate of Linux adoption is not slowing down (in fact, it is speeding up), the fact that your company (and presumably others) have gone with business other than Linux means that Linux adoption would have been speeding up even faster.

    In terms of the Red Hat law suit, this is demonstrable damage to the Linux Business.

    --

    An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of /.
  4. Re:I think thw bigger question is by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think all of a sudden, *BSD won't be dying :)

  5. What a load of justification crap by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I kind of guessed it may be something like that. Hey you're employed, you're doing better than many and I figure there are employers who've done far worse things in the world than take what look like big risks, to save the company.

    While there are companies that have hired slave labor (BWM, Bayer), and those that continue to employ near-slave labor (Nike), and even those that have killed en masse (Union Carbide, Monsanto), trying to steal the hard work of tens of thousands of people and claim it as your own, then force the creators to buy their own work back at extortionate prices (or any price, for that matter) is still pretty damn low. About as low as one can get without doing actual, direct physical harm to others.

    Frankly, anyone willingly working at SCO, recession or no, deserves the low self esteem they undoubtably enjoy and the difficult job prospects their current employment on their Resume post-law-suit will almost certainly bring. This notion that earning a living justifies doing what is unequivocably wrong is complete and utter bullshit. Evil isn't defined by the difficulty of doing good, it is defined by the harm it causes others. The fact that doing the right thing would be difficult for those foolish enough to be working at Caldera/SCO has absolutely no bearing on the fact that what they are doing all those long hours they put in each day is wrong both morally and ethically, nor does it absolve them of one iota of their part in it all.

    I'm sick to death of "my employer made me do it" or "I fear unemployment so I have no ethics" crap this formerly great nation seems to have instilled in so many of its drones. It rings a hollow as the famed defenses of the Nuremburg trials, or the death-bed repentences of dying Christians. (cue Godwin-Law pundits)

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    1. Re:What a load of justification crap by blaarg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a shame that you need to equate SCO employees trying to feed their families to Nazis, seeing as I don't remember anyone at SCO killing 12 million people in concentration camps, or did I miss a history lesson?

      Personally I don't see anything wrong with an employee remaining loyal to a company that allows him or her to put food on the table and a roof over his or her head. Not only is that admirable, but I would rather hire that person over one who decided to jump ship when times were tough.

      Besides, since when did doing one's job, which DIDN'T include spreading any FUD at all, equate to Nazis "following orders"?

      Mod me down if you like, I don't care anymore.

  6. Re:Suggestion by flossie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We need a way out, which is why I suggest putting a disclaimer on Linux distributions regarding the possibility of inadvertent proprietary code inclusion, and some time limit that would allow recalcitrant IP holders to find and withdraw their code if they wish to. Failing to notify the code maintainers would then be an implied grant of permission to use the code.

    I don't think the courts would be particularly impressed with this suggestion. It is somewhat analagous to the idea that if I distribute a dictionary with a remarkable similarity to the Oxford English Dictionary but with a little disclaimer stating that it is up to the copyright owners to notify me within a set timeframe, then I get an implicit right to distribute their work. Ain't gonna happen. Copyright holders get until the copyright expires to protect their work, which is as it should be. (The question of how long the protection should last is a different matter.)

    The simple solution if any packages are found to contain unauthorized copied code is just to remove those packages from distributions until they are fixed. One of the great benefits of the "duplication of effort" that goes into GNU/Linux, and which is often criticized on in this forum, is that there is no shortage of packages if alternatives need to be found quickly.

  7. Re:Fix Linux by JetScootr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything is found in Linux that doesn't belong there, swarms of Penguin lovers will remove it and replace it with working original code. Darl has already said that's what he's afraid of. Probably weeks, at most a few months.
    That's how it's always been.
    That's how it always will be.
    If even the tiniest shred of improper software is found, Linux will be fixed faster than Microsoft can fight an anti-trust suit.

    --
    Pavlov wouldn't be so famous if he'd used a can opener instead of a bell.
  8. Most adults have faced this sort of choice before by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and those of us who have chosen ethically in the past, even to our own financial disadvantage, quite rightly look down on those who do not.

    Nice view, from way up there on your high horse, but put yourself in the same situation. The economy is in the shitter. You quitting wouldn't change a damn thing.

    "Yeah, I knew it was wrong, but I did it anyway. If I hadn't, someone else would have." I cannot believe that an adult would even field such an answer in public, much less accept its veracity.

    It's not like they're committing genocide - it's a fucking law suit.

    No one ever suggested it was genocide. However, what so is doing is much more than a lawsuit. Indeed, it is a lawsuit in name only.

    Were it merely a lawsuit, it would not entail the vast amount of public FUD, misdirection, deception, and outright lies (including lies that contradict one another) that has come from SCO's management. Indeed, attorney's strongly discourage such statements, as they are destructive to their client's case. The fact that SCO shows no such restraint (and that SCO's lawyers apparently feel no need to reign them in or insist upon such restraint) demonstrates prima facia that this isn't so much a lawsuit as something very, very different.

    At its heart it is an attempt to defraud thousands of free software out of their hard work, to defraud third parties by charging licensing fees for things that do not belong to them, and to defraud their investors by pumping up their stock value through deceit and market manipulation.

    They may be within the limits of the law in the United States (or they may not). They certainly are not within the limits of the law in Australia, Germany, and numerous other countries.

    Either way, they, and those who support them, are unethical, and I for one would never hire an HR person who would knowingly hire unethical people and open my company up to the potential of such behavior within my own ranks. Nor would I hire an HR who would staff my company with weak-minded people who put a paycheck ahead of any ethical considerations, or who cannot recognize a lost cause when they see one.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy