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iRiver Adds Ogg To Audio Player Firmware

Sesse writes "iRiver has just released firmware updates for its iFP-300T and iFP-500T flash memory-based audio player series. According to a news story on their site, this update includes features 'supporting the Ogg file format', so it looks like iRiver can finally be added to the quickly growing list of Vorbis-capable hardware!"

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  1. Assumption - This Product Line Sucks by Amsterdam+Vallon · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I will propose that this product line consists largely of unreliable junk.

    In general, one can plot a direct correlation between the language used in product literature and the manuals and PR releases, etc. versus the functionality and build quality of the said product line.

    The articles on iRiver's site as well as their product specifications are full of mistakes and rideculous grammer/spelling mistakes. If a company can't spend a couple hundred bucks on a copy editor (or an educated native speaker) to communicate the product clearly and professionally then most likely they won't didn't spend jack shit on product quality or detail, either.

    One day I had some grad students dig through boxes of "failed" peripherals in the back of the lab. Over half of them contained poorly written literature.

    'Nough said. BTW, I have a Ph.D, so basic logic/deduction is not exactly foreign to me.

    CONCLUSIONG: BUY AN iPOD INSTEAD!

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  2. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    That's irrelevant, as I'll probably have to sell half my organs if I want to get one. =/

    ... Sooo, anyone needs fresh organs?

  3. Looks good. by Sheetrock · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I like that they're committed enough to their consumers that they're willing to make new-feature changes to the firmware rather than release a new version and charge for it. That does say something for the company.

    One thing to note, though, is that if you encode your Ogg to reasonable quality (500Kbps) this patch isn't going to support you, so you will have to use a converter (they will soon provide for free) to actually downsample the music. I guess it's portable, so it isn't like I'm listening to the stuff through expensive high-quality speakers, but it is an extra step.

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    1. Re:Looks good. by Josh+Booth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is 500 kbps reasonable quality? It is damn close to the maximum it can go. As an example, I just encoded a pseudo-random song (okay, it was "Bring Me To Life" by Evanescence) and I only got 475 kbps anyway, using "oggenc -q 10" The WAV is 41.8 MB, the FLAC is 30.5 MB and the Ogg Vorbis is 14.1 MB (numbers truncated). I doubt that a portable player would even be able to output something with that kind of quality and not being in an quiet/acoustically perfect room, let alone using headphones/earbuds. Oh, and I use "oggenc -q 6"

    2. Re:Looks good. by verloren · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Putting aside the fact that on a portable device you generally don't need really high quality files because of the listening situations you're often in...

      500kbps is not 'reasonable quality' for Oggs. The encoder isn't tuned particularly well about about 200kbps, so anything higher is only giving marginal improvements and wasting a lot of space. Add to that the fact that above 160kbps Ogg becomes tricky to differentiate from the original, and certainly by 192 or thereabouts it's as close to perfect as it's likely to get.

  4. iRiver sure, but what about Apple? by PipianJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Apple is so pro-open source, when are they going to add Ogg Vorbis to the iPod?

    1. Re:iRiver sure, but what about Apple? by Mwongozi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When there is enough demand. Currently, Linux geeks are pretty much the only people who have even heard of Vorbis.

    2. Re:iRiver sure, but what about Apple? by TechnoWeeniePas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably the same time they add WMA support ;)

    3. Re:iRiver sure, but what about Apple? by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "When there is enough demand. Currently, Linux geeks are pretty much the only people who have even heard of Vorbis."

      Right. Also, for the average Joe Sixpack, electronic devices are complex as it is. Why would you want to flood the market with another audio standard when MP3 is the defacto standard everyone has come to know and love. I'm not bashing OGG, but in this cut-throat industry, OGG came to little to late.

      Speaking of defacto standards, just wait till portible DivX players become all the rage. Soon, ripping DVDs to a jukebox device will become the norm just as it is for CDs to MP3.

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    4. Re:iRiver sure, but what about Apple? by bogie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. That's also why why you'll never see Quicktime for Linux. Where is the profit in making Linux a more viable option? Apple's nightmare is Adobe fully supporting Linux. Jobs would shit himself. Of the opensource Apple uses its only to save money on R&D and jump on the OpenSource bandwagon. Nothing to be upset about, but they are certain no ally to Linux and opensource.

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  5. We need more manufacturers supporting open formats by karmawarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's about time! The thing is, a standard and completely open compressed-audio file format is a critical component of creating a usable, civil, electronic audio distribution system. Right now, Ogg is the only player. MP3 is covered by patents - in fairness to Fraunhoffer, they never intended it to be used the way it is. AAC is likewise. Dolby's AC3 system, while good, is neither open nor good enough for basic music-based audio. Ogg is the only player.

    But producers of audio-playback devices are stuck with a problem: because the vast bulk of digital sound out there stored on PCs is in MP3 format, they have to support MP3, and both Microsoft and Apple are not helping by pushing users to their own particular patented formats, thus providing little incentive to support an open format. This causes problems: it encourages people to continue using the closed formats, and that in turn encourages manufacturers to only support the closed formats. This is wrong, seriously wrong, and serious issues of liberty - both personal and civil - are at stake here. For without an open format, the plug can be pulled.

    This quagmire of open formats dying because they need to dominate the market before they can dominate the market will not disappear by itself. Resources need to be devoted, and unless people are prepared to actually act, not just talk about it on Slashdot, nothing will ever get done. Apathy is not an option.

    You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman or senator. Tell them that free and open music is important to you. Tell them that you appreciate the work being done by the open source and free software communities to create an infrastructure that will support truly free - as in liberty - music, but that if the problem of lack of commercial support for open file formats is not resolved, you will be forced to use less and less secure and intelligently designed alternatives. Let them know that SMP may make or break whether you can efficiently deploy OpenBSD on your workstations and servers. Explain the concerns you have about freedom, openness, and choice, and how patented file formats harms all three. Let them know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on their policies on open file formats.

    You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.

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  6. Linux support more important than Ogg to me by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I would like to see more direct support for linux for these players. The format issue to me is a non-issue - its well understood that mp3 is the de facto standard and regardless of comments here, it is how 99% of music files are encoded.

    Right now I am getting good use out of gnupod/gtkpod for my iPod, but would love to see more vendor support from day one for linux.

  7. Re:We need more manufacturers supporting open form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I hate to break it to you, but being patented and being open are not mutually exclusive.

    MP3 and ACC, like pretty much everything else that comes out of the MPEG, are pattented, but the formats are completely open and well documented complete with sample code.

    Their liscences are focused on getting money, for the algorythims they spent their time and money developing, from the people who make money off of their work: comercial software and streaming systems with thousands of clients. They generally don't charge any fees, or even require any contact, from small free projects.

    I'm all for open source, but this feeling that it's wrong for people to get paid for their hard work is just plain bullshit.

  8. Re:great by ivern76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What are you smoking, chief? I rip every CD I own to .ogg format, because lugging around a backpack full of CD's isn't an option. When will people understand that music files aren't just for pirates?

  9. Re:We need more manufacturers supporting open form by karmawarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Simply suggesting that because AAC, MWA, or MP3 are covered by patents (and therefore protected against unauthorized use) they are somehow inherently evil or less desirable than OGG is as goofy as assuming that all open source solutions are inherently technically superior to any closed-source solution.
    No, it isn't. That's not a remotely fair comparison.

    AAC, WMA, and MP3 are licensed formats. Someone without a license cannot produce a coder, media in that format, or player, or if they're able to do so now, they can't rely on the fact in the future.

    With CDs this didn't matter. Anyone who could physically stamp a CD could afford to pay a royalty on it, simply rolling it into the cost. Anyone producing a CD player, likewise, merely needed to roll the royalty into the cost.

    Show me how you can build a free and open infrastructure for the distribution of music where anyone can at any time put their hand up and say "Ok, we're now demanding royalties on..." clients, encoders, actual music, you name it.

    You can't.

    And I think you know that which is why you compared saying MP3 et al "are somehow {...} less desirable than OGG" to "all open source solutions are inherently technically superior to any closed-source solution". The latter is clearly hyperbole. The former is objectively correct when discussing the patent regime but at first glance sounds a bit like the latter. If you wanted to make a fair comparison, you'd have either said:

    Simply suggesting that because AAC, MWA, or MP3 are covered by patents they are somehow technically inferior to OGG is as goofy as assuming that all open source solutions are inherently technically superior to any closed-source solution.
    ...which would have been right, but not relevent, or you'd have said:
    Simply suggesting that because AAC, MWA, or MP3 are covered by patents (and therefore protected against unauthorized use) they are somehow inherently evil or less desirable than OGG is as goofy as assuming that FreeBSD is inherently more useful in an open environment to Windows 2003, SCO Unix, and DOS.
    ...which would have been clearly flawed as the latter isn't goofy at all.
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