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Researchers: Wolves Might Slow Spread of CWD

William G. Davis writes "According to this AP article, researchers are now suggesting that wolves might be able to slow the spread of chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer. Chronic wasting disease is the name commonly given to spongiform encephalopathy (prion disease) in deer and elk (basically, mad cow disease in deer). The article explains how wolves typically look for weaknesses in their prey, and since prion disease causes that, wolves might target the sick animals. One has to wonder, though, about the potential ramifications of having dangerous predators exposed to this brain-wasting illness, and what type of 'unusual behavior' they'll start to exhibit."

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  1. Dangerous? by rot26 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wolves aren't particularly dangerous. They rarely attack humans... rarely ENCOUNTER humans for that matter, and being at the top of the food chain, wouldn't be in much of a position to pass the virus (virii?) on to other species. I'd guess any wolf that began to have symptoms of such a serious disease would simply starve to death in fairly short order.

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    1. Re:Dangerous? by Tango42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Being at the top of the food chain doesn't stop your corpse being eaten by scavengers, does it?

    2. Re:Dangerous? by Micro$will · · Score: 5, Informative

      Scavengers typically have immune systems thousands of times powerful as humans.

      Quote from Here Vultures have long been perceived as loathsome birds because of their feeding habits. We now know the important role these birds play by cleaning up dead animals. The Latin name Cathartes aura means "Golden purifier". Turkey Vultures are immune to botulism, anthrax bacteria, hog cholera virus and many, many more that would kill other animals as well as us. Vultures were once blamed for spreading diseases. Scientific research has shown that their digestive tract and immune system actually destroy all pathogens and help to control these diseases. Ongoing research in the medical field on the Turkey Vulture's amazing immune system may some day yield valuable information that could be applied to humans as well as livestock.

    3. Re:Dangerous? by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd guess any wolf that began to have symptoms of such a serious disease would simply starve to death in fairly short order

      True. And there's lots of literature supporting the idea that predators and scavengers tend to have very good defenses against the diseases that affect their prey. Part of the defenses are powerful digestive systems that leave few cells intact and chop up most proteins and DNA into small pieces. They also have some of the best immune systems on the planet.

      The explanation is fairly simple. If you're a predator or scavenger, you often eat food that was weakened or killed by disease. This puts strong selective pressure on your species in favor of defenses against those diseases.

      I've read a couple of articles on the semi-exception that the top predator on the planet (Homo sap) seems to be a partial exception. This is generally explained as an artifact of our recent conversion to predation. We do have some predator adaptations, but we haven't had time to evolve them fully.

      There is a bit of debate about this, though. For example, studies of wild chimp populations haved turned up data showing that they actually do get a significant part of their protein by eating small animals. So our predatory ancestry probably goes back at least 5 million years. But still, we are primates, and it wasn't all that long ago that our ancestors were vegetarians.

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    4. Re:Dangerous? by Alsee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is an interesting twist on this with Komodo Dragons. Their mouth is specially designed to trap bits of rotting flesh. This breeds several dozen varieties of bacteria including some of the most virulent and deadly bacteria on earth. Flesh eating necrotizing bacteria, blood-born bacteria causing sepsis, bacteria that knock out the immune system, an entire host of different nasties.

      One bite from a Komodo and it's saliva introduces all of these infections at once. A bite victim almost inevitably dies within one to three days. No known antibiotic can cure an established infection.

      The exciting part of the story is that Komodo Dragons obviously must have evolved an amazingly powerful defense to all of these bacteria. An expedition was sent to collect some Komodo blood and work is ongoing. They have isolated multiple anti-bacterial compounds and hopefully they will be able to make incredibly powerful new antibiotics available in a few years.

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    5. Re:Dangerous? by Urkki · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • I've read a couple of articles on the semi-exception that the top predator on the planet (Homo sap) seems to be a partial exception. This is generally explained as an artifact of our recent conversion to predation. We do have some predator adaptations, but we haven't had time to evolve them fully.

      There's a much more simple explanation.

      Our immune systems are poor because they don't get enough stimuli when we are in childhood. Modern medicine takes care of most of our illnesses so our own immune system doesn't have to, and therefore modern medicine needs to take care of those illnesses through our lives. Of course the plus-side of modern medicine is that we don't have a 50% child death rate... ;-)

      I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if also human immune system could learn to deal with almost any bacteria, if they just would get the chance in childhood. So I wonder if we'll ever have sort of "general vaccines" given to children yearly or something, to teach their immune system to deal with all common bacteria and virus types that are now practically missing in our "over-hygienic" urban lifestyles.
    6. Re:Dangerous? by mrogers · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ...studies of wild chimp populations haved turned up data showing that they actually do get a significant part of their protein by eating small animals. So our predatory ancestry probably goes back at least 5 million years.

      That estimate is based on the false assumption that any trait present in modern chimps was also present in the common ancestor of chimps and humans. Chimps have evolved as much in the last 5 million years as we have. They may have discovered hunting as recently as we did - it's even possible that they learned to hunt by imitating humans.

  2. Pure FUD by Drakin · · Score: 5, Informative
    One has to wonder, though, about the potential ramifications of having dangerous predators exposed to this brain-wasting illness, and what type of 'unusual behavior' they'll start to exhibit."



    Had the submitter actually read up on CWD, they'd have learned that it's already present in areas where there are wild wolves, and that there's no sign of the wolf population contracting it.

    As well, in tests that involved feeding infected brains to live stock, none of the livestock showed any signs of contracting CWD. The only time they've had sucess with transmitting the disease outside of deer and elk is by atricicial means, as in, directly injecting it into the brain.

    So the wolves should be safe enough.

    1. Re:Pure FUD by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      IANACROPS (I Am Not A Cancer Researcher Or Prion Scientist), but I strongly disagree that curing prionic diseases is on par with curing cancer. Cancer consists of a large variety of possible cellular mutations in growth control, protective and other signalling mechanisms. Curing it requires complete mastery of cellular signalling and control mechanisms taking into account all possible genetic variations in the affected person or animal, AND all the possible mutation sites that can lead to cancer.


      Curing a single kind of prionic disease requires creating a substance that catalyzes a reverse transformation from the variant (prionic) protein form to the normal protein form. Since the original transformation is possible, the reverse transformation is surely also possible, and can probably be made energetically favorable with the right kind of agents. While it may be easier to describe than to implement, I still think it sounds a lot easier than curing cancer, and not out of reach of current biotechnology research.

  3. Brain tissue? by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I had understood that "Mad Cow" is only transmitted by eating the brains of an infected animal. Ranched cattle would acquire it as they are sometimes feed the brains of previously slaughtered cattle, but how exactly do deer and other wildlife transmit it?

    Is there another transmission vector, or do deer etc in fact eat the brains of their own dead?

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    1. Re:Brain tissue? by Smitedogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I live in Colorado, in an area were there are a lot of Elk Ranches (Yes, they do exist). CWD is covered fairly regularly by the local papers when they don't have enough fluff to fill the space

      Basically, no one has caught CWD as far as they can tell, yet. They really have no clue if it's possible, but there are a few cases here in Colorado where people have gotten Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and have eaten wild elk. CJ disease is what humans get from mad cow. It is of course possible they got it from some other mean, but when all the locals infected live in the mountains and hunt for food...it's hard not to make conclutions.

      1) some potential for transmission of CWD to humans via meat; 2) CWD is similar to Mad Cow, but 3) don't panic, because you can't get Mad Cow from eating the meat of an infected animal.

      1) It might be possible, as I already mentioned. 2) Veeeery similar. 3) They were referring to getting CWD from eating meat, which they aren't really 100% sure on. At least the ranchers out here aren't

      CWD is, incidently, airborne. They have determined this because wild elk get it from going to areas near penned elk. Of course this isn't 'official', and they'll rather term it 'possible lateral transmission', but it happens.



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  4. Chronic Wasting vs Mad Cow Disease by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Was just talking about this with a coworker (who keeps track of this kind of thing - he's more of a "commodities geek")on Wednesday.

    Sounded like people link these two diseases is that the end result looks the same. Chronic wasting disease is a muscle problem, Mad Cow disease is a deterioration of the brain. Both end up the same with a weak animal that can't walk.

    Chronic Wasting disease is probably more of a problem brought on by the overpopulation of deer in the upper midwest than anything. Wolves (and other predators) will benefit until the deer are brought into a more sane population - then they'll turn on people.

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  5. Wolves as Dangerous Predators by Snowspinner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wolves aren't really so much "dangerous predators" as "your basic carnivores in the wild." They're not going to attack humans unless their other food options are totally depleted and they're starving.

    Mad Wolf Disease would not cause this situation so much as make the wolf infirm and eventually dead. You're not going to have sudden blood-lusted and violent wolves. You're going to have very dead wolves who can't function.

    Meanwhile, absurd paranoia like this will lead to an incrase in programs like the one they're trying really hard to put into place in Alaska, whereby they will slaughter all wolves in a given area with a 100 mile radius. By shooting them from helicopters. And sometimes, by chasing them via helicopter to the point of exhaustion, and then shooting them. Because apparently the helicopter and machine gun aren't enough on their own.

    Short form - the "wolves are dangerous" myth is both ignorant and destructive, and whoever submitted this article (As well as whoever approved it) should be ashamed - spreading crap like this on as widely read a site as /. is just wrong, and I'd encourage whoever is responsible to go to a site like www.defenders.org and donate a but of money to try to push the tide of public opinion back away from myth and towards truth.

    1. Re:Wolves as Dangerous Predators by happyDave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hear, hear! I also recommend reading Farley Mowatt's "Never Cry Wolf." Don't hold against it that it was made into a Disney movie, please. Farley Mowatt was sent into a section of Northern wilderness by the Canadian government to investigate the "wolf problem," as hunters were complaining to the government about the scarcity of Caribou, and how the wolves were killing them all.

      His findings, in short: Human beings were responsible for the enormous drop in Caribou numbers by indiscriminate hunting. The number of myths about wolves and lupine behavior that are still around is absoultely inexcusable.

  6. However... by tsanth · · Score: 2, Informative

    -from what I remember reading in some not-so-recent Scientific American, a scavenger's immune system wouldn't help protect against rogue prions, because they're neither virus nor bacteria. A scavenger, if it incorporated these same prions into their own bodies, could possibly also be at risk for mad foo disease.

    1. Re:However... by jasno · · Score: 2, Informative
      From About.com:

      Definition: A protein particle that is capable of causing an infection or disease. Like viruses, prions are not capable of reproduction by themselves. Unlike viruses, prions do not contain genetic material (DNA or RNA).


      I think they're an example of a self sustaining molecule - one that catalyzes the creation of itself from another molecule.
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  7. Re:BS by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No primates are vegetarians.

    Well, strictly speaking, you're right. Most primates get a small amount of their protein by eating small animals, mostly insects. But this doesn't make them predators. In general, primates get most of their calories from plants, and have few if any adaptations for predation. They're more properly classified as omnivores.

    Similarly, cattle and other grazing animals inevitably eat a small quantity of insect, snails, etc that are mixed in with the herbs. But this doesn't make a cow into a predator.

    In addition to humans and chimps, there are a number of other primates that actively hunt prey. Baboons come to mind. There's also the fish-eating monkey in southern Asia. All four of these species get a significant amount of protein and calories by eating small animals. But most primate species get maybe 1% of their calories by predation, so they don't really qualify as predators.

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  8. What mystery by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CWD is prevalent in ranching areas. I theorize that the deer and elk are eating livestock feed on occasion when the opportunity presents itself - a very common occurance.

    Keep in mind that chicken and pork feed use ground up animal protein, including brains of down animals. All approved by the USDA. It is just cattle feed that is not supposed to contain animal protein. In fact in the Washington casem, i would bet that the cow in question at one time dined on swine feed.

    Large numbers of dear and elk contact the disease simply because they live long enough for the disease to manifest itself (3 - 5 years)

    Comforting is it not?

  9. Immune system is irrelevant by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And there's lots of literature supporting the idea that predators and scavengers tend to have very good defenses against the diseases that affect their prey. Part of the defenses are powerful digestive systems that leave few cells intact and chop up most proteins and DNA into small pieces. They also have some of the best immune systems on the planet.

    You can have the strongest immune system of any known mammal or bird and it will not protect you from prion diseases like spongiform encephalopathies. There is no foreign protein (except for the prion particle that you originally got infected from years ago), just a lot of funny-folded native protein. So what? As amyloid plaques build up in your brain, your immune system has nothing to attack. An infected animal's body can be riddled with prions at death and you will not find a single antibody to them anywhere since they pass the self/non-self test. In fact, to get antibodies, people need to inject massive quantities of prion particles into unrelated animals, whose immune systems will react in the same way they do with any foreign protein.

    A strong digestive system doesn't seem to be much help either, as the prion form of the protein is extremely resistant to attack from proteases.

    There are many versions of the prion gene, and not all of them are equally prone to malicious folding. Wolves with prion genes whose PrP proteins fold easily into the beta-pleated-sheet prion tend to die after eating lots of prions. Surviving wolves gobble prions and suffer no adverse consequences since their native protein is resistant to the altered conformation. So the wolf is probably OK, because of the selection pressure that has been applied to it.

    But you'd think the same thing about cats, and cats get the disease easily. But in fact, it is highly likely that all wolves are immune to transmissable spongiform encephalopathies judging by the mere fact that nobody has ever succeeded in infecting a dog with any sort of TSE. Even when they plonk highly infectious prion material directly into a dog's brain, no TSE develops. TSE of one flavor or another has been successfully transmitted to goats, sheep, monkeys, pigs, mink, cattle, cats, and zoo animals of all types that ate prion-contaminated feed. Never to any breed of dog (or wolf, same thing).

    When BSE broke out in England, a number of human victims (who all ate beef) came down with CJD. It was called "new variant" CJD ("nvCJD") because it turned out not to be CJD at all, which attacks the cerebral cortex, but is in fact a closely related disease: the human form of BSE, which attacks the brainstem just like it does in cattle. A prion researcher tried to transmit BSE from cows to transgenic mice which had a human prion gene, via brain injections (the foolproof way to get it- feeding is much less effective). This experiment was eventually watched closely by the British food industry as the mice survived past 300 and 400 days. But meanwhile, study of the first ten victims of nvCJD in Britain showed that all were homozygous for methionine at codon 129. About 38 percent of the human population fits this profile. The mice (which never showed any signs of illness) had a human prion gene that was homozygous for valine, not methionine, at codon 129. So while this is a transmissable disease, susceptibility is genetically determined.