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Tom's Hardware End of Year CPU Roundup

Wister285 writes "Tom's Hardware has just posted one of their now famous CPU comparisons. Aside from looking at all of the nice graphs, they also compare the speeds of overclocked processors with their factory rated counterparts. It looks like the AMD chips just don't overclock as well as the Intel ones do, but when run at their specified level AMD almost always has the best price/performance ratio. Hopefully the upcoming year will be as promising in the processor sector as 2003 was!"

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  1. they should have said PC CPUs by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Informative

    there is no PPC 970 on there.

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    1. Re:they should have said PC CPUs by JK+Master-Slave · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he should have said 'an industry standard motherboard/processor combo that will fit into a third party off-the-shelf case. I suspect that's what he meant.

      It's an unfair judgement to make, though, as a similar problem exists with other fine processors such as the Sparc and MIPS processors.

  2. Re:Preferred sources for technical information? by AntiOrganic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anandtech is generally the best place to find information on anything you're looking for and is where all the cool kids go. They go above and beyond the call of duty in all of their reviews, and their monitor reviews are unsurpassed.

  3. Excellent Article by Bender_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    This linked article is an excellent roundup of the ongoing battle between AMD and Intel. It holds a lot of insight for people who have not been following the news closely.

    However, it has to be pointed out that he missed several important incidents:

    - AMD alliance with SUN: news article

    -AMDs deal with Tippet studios: We built some prototype desktop workstations powered by AMD Athlon(TM) MP processors. We had tried systems powered by a competitor's processors, and they worked fairly well. However, we absolutely preferred the performance of the AMD Athlon(TM) processor. A good part of the advantage comes from the performance of AMD's floating point engine, which is very important to compute-intensive operations such as rendering.

    -Intels new challenge in process technology with a cheap strained silicon process, finally unveiled at the iedm. AMD, this will be a touch one: IEDM article

  4. Re:Preferred sources for technical information? by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anandtech is generally the best place to find information on anything you're looking for and is where all the cool kids go. They go above and beyond the call of duty in all of their reviews, and their monitor reviews are unsurpassed.

    A few other popular sources of information include:

    HardOCP
    Dan's Data
    X-bit Labs
    Ars Technica ... or you can just wait, and sooner or later it's going to be slammed on /. :-)

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  5. Re:POSTED PREVIOUSLY BY A DIFFRENT AUTHOR, MOD DOW by Stigmata669 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hate to feed the trolls, but the sibling speaks the truth. This poster, rkz, is not a troll, but he is recycling comments. Not to mention his evil .sig

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  6. This article is a bunch of crap. by VeXteR · · Score: 4, Informative

    He has missed one very important fact. Very few of us need any more power then a 2.5 gig CPU. And INTELs 2.5 is twice the cost of AMDs 2500. I run better then 100 FPS in any game that I want to play. Including such hogs of power as BF1942 with the DC mod....

    1. Re:This article is a bunch of crap. by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually he didn't miss that point at all. This was mentioned in the very end of the article under the heading "Conclusion: Common Sense Prevails". Some of the comments there include:

      Over and above the clear test results, our price-performance analysis clearly shows that the added performance of CPUs in the upper bracket bears no sensible relation to the extra price. ...

      In the gaming sector, many processor makers are dogged by the fact that only a few programs need really fast CPUs. One reason for this development is the displacement of graphics-intensive operations to the graphics card; another is the ongoing tense competition between AMD and Intel that long ago outstripped the requirements of modern standard software in terms of performance. ...

      Novices should certainly consider the AthlonXP 2600+ or 2800+, since a serviceable platform with 512 MB of memory is inexpensive and will do nicely for the next 18-24 months. ...

      The AMD Athlon64 FX and Intel's Pentium 4 Extreme Edition are still status symbols for the computing jet set. After all, you can pick up a complete and high-performance system for between $750 and $1,000, which as our benchmarks show, also offer a superior price/performance ratio.

      That certainly sounds like somebody who understands that most ordinary users will get all the performance they need by buying a cheaper processor, especially one of the notably cheaper AMD models.

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  7. Re:Preferred sources for technical information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget Tech Report

  8. Re:Preferred sources for technical information? by Loki_1929 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "A few other popular sources of information include:"

    Not to mention Ace's if you're really into all the nitty gritty details of things. They do outstanding reviews and technical articles, but can get pretty heavy on the technical details. So far, Ace's is the only place I've found that actually goes over my head from time to time. I do enjoy the challenge. ;)

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  9. Re:the fastest solution RIGHT NOW? by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Informative
    " the AthlonFX-51 runs at a clock-speed of 2.2ghz can this really compete with a p4 chip running at 3.2ghz?"

    Clock speed doesn't really matter for CPUs of different architectures. The best thing to do is to check out the benchmarks for yourself to see which one performs better at the tasks you most often use. Some hardware sites with benchmarks are:

    Ace's (Recommended)

    Ars

    HardOCP

    Tom's

    Anandtech (Recommended)

    Take all benchmark results with a grain of salt. Many things can influence the results, and some sites like Tom's have long been known to be quite biased. If you read enough sites though, you tend to get a much better overall picture of how things really are.

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  10. Re:But What About Programmers by MarcQuadra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, compilers generally stress the memory bus a LOT, and if you aren't multi-threading (make -j3) your compiles your CPU has to wait for your DISK to fetch files to compile.

    The most important factors in compilation speed (assuming you're sticking with one compiler) are CPU, bus speed/latency, memory size (for caching), and disk latency. Dual CPUs won't do ANYTHING for you unless you multithread your compile jobs, otherwise 'make' only dispatches one job at a time, and each job can only occupy one CPU.

    I've found that recompiling the compiler from source with hand-tweaking helps too. In Gentoo the GCC source builder strips a lot of the flags, I undo that and make sure to use 'safe but effective' flags for a faster GCC.

    Also remember that -O2 is actually a lot easier to compile and often faster at runtime than -O3 because of modern CPU caching mechanisms. (-O3 unrolls loops, which isn't much advantage on CPUs with larger L2/L3 caches).

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  11. Re:AMD x86-64 with non-Microsoft OSes? by Juergen+Kreileder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Blackdown released a 64-bit VM for Linux/AMD64 just a few days ago.

  12. Re:AMD x86-64 with non-Microsoft OSes? by Juergen+Kreileder · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm sure I'm too late with this reply for anyone to see...but Sun is releasing a 64-bit Java JVM for the new AMD chips next summer that'll run under Windows, and perhaps Linux.
    A 64-bit VM for Linux/AMD64 is already available: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/j dk1.4-status.html.