So benching with Linux is all fine and good, but will that matter to most end users who are trying to decide between the two?
Well, if you're going to measure performance that way, then the thousands of dollars worth of Windows software that I've accumulated over the years and regularly use runs just as well with the G5 machine running at Zero Hertz and with no memory installed as it does configured any other way.
No matter what anybody says about the PC vendors having grown up, it's still a fact that Microsoft and Apple sell software meant to run on little computers that sit on your desk like paperweights.
It kind of pisses me off that they crammed the voice recording into a.mov file. I mean, a perfect candidate for being a nice simple.au or.wav file and they have to drag us kicking and screaming into the world of brushed metal yet again.
I can't believe you can blather on with soooo muuuuch text about the Electoral College without even apparently understanding that the 'historical artifact' that the Electoral College system is based around is the fact that we are a Union of States. Historically, each State had a Presidential election, and sends the delegates they elect to vote. The electors.
It's a 'states right' issue left over from the days when the Federal Government answered to the State governments in some ways.
I don't know what you mean by 'gamed' and I suspect it's a lot of armchair ranting. Keep politics as a hobby. You're definitely not ready to go pro.
'Drivers for punched cards' would just be a line buffer for delimited 80-char lines of input. Umm, there ain't no USB driver for punched card readers sitting in the kernel tarball taking up undue space.
Wow. A nice little conversation of trolls to flame.
The word 'free' that you speak of being re-defined is the one used in the title of the movie 'Born Free' to refer to lion cubs born free in the wilderness. Freedom. You've heard of that, right? It hasn't anything to do with purchase price.
If people took your attitude around the Great Depression, people wouldn't have the large government programs that pulled them out of poverty and helped restore some degree of trust in the US government.
This is getting off-topic, but it's fairly common knowledge that Franklin D. Roosevelt, when he established the 'New Deal' that you speak of, intended it to be strictly temporary government programs. He never intended for it to remain a permanent part of government. The myth of "FDR's New Deal" being permanet is right up there with 'Kennedy as liberal icon.' Kennedy cut taxes and if he hadn't been killed in office the 'Great Society' govt. social spending disaster would never have happened the way it did.
Though this could turn into a 'What-If...' history thread if we're not careful....
The 'huge' price difference isn't really the main issue. The issue is being boxed into a single-vendor solution. I can buy x86 machines from hundreds of sources. I can mix-and-match components rather freely.
Or I can hope Jobs hasn't discontinued the model of Mac that I had started to like. Apple proved they're not ready to be anything but a niche vendor when they got cold feet and killed their second source vendors (the Mac clone business)
That makes Solaris a Tektronix Oscilloscope, whereas Linux is a Heathkit (very well soldered, but still a Heathkit). Though, Oscilloscope technology has actually degenerated into being commodity junk in the last decade, so maybe that sort of comparison isn't relevant anymore.
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You had to sell the Sparc? How and why? An 80 MHz Sparc returns a sad, sad amount of money on eBay. I sold a 64-bit Sun Ultra 1 a few months ago. It was, I think, a 166 MHz. I got all of $28 for it.
I can't believe you 'had' to sell the Sparc, and if you 'had' to I can't believe you got enough money for it to justify selling it.
I love my Sun hardware, but right now it's not hardly even worth putting up for sale.
I'm hard up too right now. You need to troll on over to alt.binaries.e-book.technical. It's not the cruddy 'e-books' thing that some people traditionally think it would be. Tons of good tech books in PDF, cht, and various other formats. Real books, not 'made-for-e-book' scuzz. If your ISP has suck-ass Usenet policies, spend thirty bucks on a few months of a commercial newsgroup server.
Luckily I'm married so the going rate is waived for me;)
Is that what she told you is the 'going rate?'
For most of us, she's been charging six bucks an hour. It doesn't make sense that she's claiming a $10 rate to you. Maybe she gives the rest of us a discount. Really, you should cut down on the amount of overtime you're working, and spend more time at home. heh.
He's still getting over his anger that she wasn't impressed by his laptop.
The people who work in coffee shops seem to have a franchise on 'cool' that they dole out only in little bits to their friends and members of their clique.
How is it practical to put 'engines' out on the end of axles and use them as wheels? Shouldn't wheels be used, since they're round? The whole way the article title is worded sounds like the awkward way C. Montgomery Burns would describe something like this.
"Smithers, let's take the steam car out to see the cinema." etc. etc.
At many resturants with famous items on the menu, the recipies are considered 'trade secrets' and aggressively protected.
When I worked at Vescio's Cafe in dinkytown in the 70's they had 'secret recipies' for the salad dressing, for the lasagna sauce, etc. When I worked at a pizza joint a few years later, they had 'mystery spice packets' they added to the pizza sauce that came from the main franchise.
You won't get the recipie for famous restaurant food by asking the waitress. Visualizing Richard Stallman ranting at the table of a Pizza joint for the recipie for the pizza sauce and the precise formulae and malting procedure for the beer does amuse, though.
Since 'digitize' it likely means wholesale slaughter of the film archives and putting it into some imperfect poorly rendered format, film historians would probably say 'leave it the hell alone' to any band of amateurs who volunteered to convert it.
Good golly, I hope there isn't commercial value in destroying all the old footage to put in on crappy 'digital' media. Remember, around the turn of the 20th century, they 'mined' all the cat mummies out of the tombs in Egypt and used them for fertilizer. Sometimes the best thing a historical archive can 'suffer' is to be forgotten for a few centuries until the putzes who'd screw it up all die off.
That's a problem I have with a LOT of the proposals and complaining I here in this thread. People demand the right to make copies or insist the vendor should replace the disk if it's damaged. Well, if the government mandates that people have the right to a replacement copy, it's a cost that's going to be passed on to all of us, even those of us who take good care of our disk collections. We'll pay more.
The 'previews' at the front drive sales for the studio. Which makes it possible for them to spread the cost of all movie production more evenly, even to the less popular films, because part of the cost of distribution can be passed over to the 'blockbuster' that they advertise on it.
Really, a lot of this amounts to people and entities wanting to muscle their way into how other people do their business. Don't like the way films or music are distributed? Don't buy the copies being sold.
So long as the model for 'Peer to Peer' distribution continues to favor mass market content, there only needs to be a 100:1 ratio of downloader:sharer. The fact that 'leeching' is common enough that everybody knows what the term means is more a symptom of our tendency as a culture to consume rather than produce.
In a way, its sad. A huge distribution system grows, in which people can distribute just about anything. People could actually create works of art and share them with the world. Instead we all shuttle around near-identical copies of the same limited small set of 'works' sanctioned by the same recording industry as before.
And it doesn't do you much good to revert to armchair-philosopher-mode when waxing philosophic about government and 'public good.' You're not being any different than the 'free market' idealogues there.
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So benching with Linux is all fine and good, but will that matter to most end users who are trying to decide between the two?
Well, if you're going to measure performance that way, then the thousands of dollars worth of Windows software that I've accumulated over the years and regularly use runs just as well with the G5 machine running at Zero Hertz and with no memory installed as it does configured any other way.
So much for 'real world' benchmarks, I guess.
Steve (Wozniak) left the company years ago.
Steve (Jobs, the coke-dealer marketing dude guy) is not really qualified to say if something is 32 or 64 bit.
Granted, maybe someone in Engineering sent him a memo...
No matter what anybody says about the PC vendors having grown up, it's still a fact that Microsoft and Apple sell software meant to run on little computers that sit on your desk like paperweights.
It kind of pisses me off that they crammed the voice recording into a .mov file. I mean, a perfect candidate for being a nice simple .au or .wav file and they have to drag us kicking and screaming into the world of brushed metal yet again.
Speaking as an eBay seller who buys big lots of stuff from estate auctions to root through.... you're not that far off sometimes.
'New' as in: most people go about their business and are essentially free in the U.S.
All fantasies inspired by watching too much X-Files cast aside, of course.
I can't believe you can blather on with soooo muuuuch text about the Electoral College without even apparently understanding that the 'historical artifact' that the Electoral College system is based around is the fact that we are a Union of States. Historically, each State had a Presidential election, and sends the delegates they elect to vote. The electors.
It's a 'states right' issue left over from the days when the Federal Government answered to the State governments in some ways.
I don't know what you mean by 'gamed' and I suspect it's a lot of armchair ranting. Keep politics as a hobby. You're definitely not ready to go pro.
You watch too much X-Files, man.
'Drivers for punched cards' would just be a line buffer for delimited 80-char lines of input. Umm, there ain't no USB driver for punched card readers sitting in the kernel tarball taking up undue space.
Wow. A nice little conversation of trolls to flame.
The word 'free' that you speak of being re-defined is the one used in the title of the movie 'Born Free' to refer to lion cubs born free in the wilderness. Freedom. You've heard of that, right? It hasn't anything to do with purchase price.
Now I've Been Trolled.
If people took your attitude around the Great Depression, people wouldn't have the large government programs that pulled them out of poverty and helped restore some degree of trust in the US government.
This is getting off-topic, but it's fairly common knowledge that Franklin D. Roosevelt, when he established the 'New Deal' that you speak of, intended it to be strictly temporary government programs. He never intended for it to remain a permanent part of government. The myth of "FDR's New Deal" being permanet is right up there with 'Kennedy as liberal icon.' Kennedy cut taxes and if he hadn't been killed in office the 'Great Society' govt. social spending disaster would never have happened the way it did.
Though this could turn into a 'What-If...' history thread if we're not careful....
The 'huge' price difference isn't really the main issue. The issue is being boxed into a single-vendor solution. I can buy x86 machines from hundreds of sources. I can mix-and-match components rather freely.
Or I can hope Jobs hasn't discontinued the model of Mac that I had started to like. Apple proved they're not ready to be anything but a niche vendor when they got cold feet and killed their second source vendors (the Mac clone business)
That makes Solaris a Tektronix Oscilloscope, whereas Linux is a Heathkit (very well soldered, but still a Heathkit). Though, Oscilloscope technology has actually degenerated into being commodity junk in the last decade, so maybe that sort of comparison isn't relevant anymore.
You had to sell the Sparc? How and why? An 80 MHz Sparc returns a sad, sad amount of money on eBay. I sold a 64-bit Sun Ultra 1 a few months ago. It was, I think, a 166 MHz. I got all of $28 for it.
I can't believe you 'had' to sell the Sparc, and if you 'had' to I can't believe you got enough money for it to justify selling it.
I love my Sun hardware, but right now it's not hardly even worth putting up for sale.
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I'm hard up too right now. You need to troll on over to alt.binaries.e-book.technical. It's not the cruddy 'e-books' thing that some people traditionally think it would be. Tons of good tech books in PDF, cht, and various other formats. Real books, not 'made-for-e-book' scuzz. If your ISP has suck-ass Usenet policies, spend thirty bucks on a few months of a commercial newsgroup server.
Pile up the good books to read.
Hell, the whole thing could easily be run via grants, donations and volunteer labor....Governments and corporations be damned
That's right. Grant money always comes from the donation hat that musician has out in front of him.
Luckily I'm married so the going rate is waived for me ;)
Is that what she told you is the 'going rate?'
For most of us, she's been charging six bucks an hour. It doesn't make sense that she's claiming a $10 rate to you. Maybe she gives the rest of us a discount. Really, you should cut down on the amount of overtime you're working, and spend more time at home. heh.
He's still getting over his anger that she wasn't impressed by his laptop.
The people who work in coffee shops seem to have a franchise on 'cool' that they dole out only in little bits to their friends and members of their clique.
None for you, little geek man!
heh
How is it practical to put 'engines' out on the end of axles and use them as wheels? Shouldn't wheels be used, since they're round? The whole way the article title is worded sounds like the awkward way C. Montgomery Burns would describe something like this.
"Smithers, let's take the steam car out to see the cinema." etc. etc.
Haven't you put away your kids' future in a 'lock box' or something?
Oh, that's right. algore lost in Tennessee and Arkansas, so didn't have enough electoral votes...
He is nobody's 'favorite son', that's for certain. heh.
At many resturants with famous items on the menu, the recipies are considered 'trade secrets' and aggressively protected.
When I worked at Vescio's Cafe in dinkytown in the 70's they had 'secret recipies' for the salad dressing, for the lasagna sauce, etc. When I worked at a pizza joint a few years later, they had 'mystery spice packets' they added to the pizza sauce that came from the main franchise.
You won't get the recipie for famous restaurant food by asking the waitress. Visualizing Richard Stallman ranting at the table of a Pizza joint for the recipie for the pizza sauce and the precise formulae and malting procedure for the beer does amuse, though.
Since 'digitize' it likely means wholesale slaughter of the film archives and putting it into some imperfect poorly rendered format, film historians would probably say 'leave it the hell alone' to any band of amateurs who volunteered to convert it.
Good golly, I hope there isn't commercial value in destroying all the old footage to put in on crappy 'digital' media. Remember, around the turn of the 20th century, they 'mined' all the cat mummies out of the tombs in Egypt and used them for fertilizer. Sometimes the best thing a historical archive can 'suffer' is to be forgotten for a few centuries until the putzes who'd screw it up all die off.
That's a problem I have with a LOT of the proposals and complaining I here in this thread. People demand the right to make copies or insist the vendor should replace the disk if it's damaged. Well, if the government mandates that people have the right to a replacement copy, it's a cost that's going to be passed on to all of us, even those of us who take good care of our disk collections. We'll pay more.
The 'previews' at the front drive sales for the studio. Which makes it possible for them to spread the cost of all movie production more evenly, even to the less popular films, because part of the cost of distribution can be passed over to the 'blockbuster' that they advertise on it.
Really, a lot of this amounts to people and entities wanting to muscle their way into how other people do their business. Don't like the way films or music are distributed? Don't buy the copies being sold.
So long as the model for 'Peer to Peer' distribution continues to favor mass market content, there only needs to be a 100:1 ratio of downloader:sharer. The fact that 'leeching' is common enough that everybody knows what the term means is more a symptom of our tendency as a culture to consume rather than produce.
In a way, its sad. A huge distribution system grows, in which people can distribute just about anything. People could actually create works of art and share them with the world. Instead we all shuttle around near-identical copies of the same limited small set of 'works' sanctioned by the same recording industry as before.
Ah. The old 'History is inevitable' meme.
And it doesn't do you much good to revert to armchair-philosopher-mode when waxing philosophic about government and 'public good.' You're not being any different than the 'free market' idealogues there.
Textbook 'elementary economics' is not evidence.