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Bill Nye's Marsdial

Some Clown writes "MSNBC via the Seattle Post Intelligencer is reporting that Bill Nye the Science Guy, as part of the Earthdial Project has got what's being billed as a 'Marsdial' put onto the Mars Rover. Interestingly, it is now the official backup for orienting the Mars Rover in case of primary camera failure. Maybe an old fashioned sundial is just what the doctor ordered after the many math and other blunders of late. This whole Earthdial Project seems pretty interesting as well. They're trying to set up a worldwide network of sundials tracked via webcam. The goal is to track the sun's movements as viewed from many points on earth, as well as from Mars. Definitely interesting... at least if the 'Marsdial' doesn't disintegrate upon landing." There's a little more technical description of the Marsdial in our earlier story.

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  3. I AM NAKED AND STROKING MY ERECT PENIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    1. Re:I AM NAKED AND STROKING MY ERECT PENIS by Sexy+Bern · · Score: -1, Troll
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  4. *BSD is growing by users.pl · · Score: -1

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is growing

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Windows community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has risen yet again, now up to more than 30 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has gained more market share , this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is sending other OSes into complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by topping the charts in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

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    1. Re:*BSD is growing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  5. Your tax dollars at work, folks. by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: -1, Troll

    It costs roughly $100,000 per pound to send an object up into space, and your tax dollars just paid to send a sundial, of all things, to Mars. Not only that, it required costly custom precision machining, and even fancy laser engraving, according to the article. The main goal of it wasn't a backup plan, and as with the earthdial, it was simply part of Bill Nye's bizarre plan to show kids how the sun illuminates a planet.

    As usual software solution could have been done for far less than a bulky hardware solution.

    1. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by PakProtector · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In case you've forgotten, the whole thing about the Space Race, if I remember my Kennedy correctly, is we do these things because they are there, because we want to see if we can do them.

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    2. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Bender_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As usual software solution could have been done for far less than a bulky hardware solution

      Yes, but how does the software read the suns inclination? RAND()? Besides that, I'd choose a failsafe, simple piece of hardware like the sundial, over a blown up piece of software every day.

    3. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Tempelherr · · Score: 5, Informative
      I think the overall cost of this would be negligible when considered in the scope of things.

      Also, it appears as though Bill Nye essentially only modified the design of the color post that they were sending up that was originally meant to better calibrate the color tinting on the cameras. From the article:

      "NASA had planned to calibrate using an erect post set in a color chart. The idea was to compare various colors in shadow and direct light to accurately adjust the natural tint.

      A post? A shadow?

      When Nye saw the color-calibration method planned for the rover, he realized it would just take one small step for mankind to transform the device into a sundial. He could add function without adding weight. Eureka! Nye was ecstatic."

    4. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Stupid troll.

      From the article: Remote digital images taken during past Mars missions have had no reference, or calibration scale, to help scientists accurately determine the correct "tint" of the images. /../ NASA had planned to calibrate using an erect post set in a color chart. The idea was to compare various colors in shadow and direct light to accurately adjust the natural tint. /../ When Nye saw the color-calibration method planned for the rover, he realized it would just take one small step for mankind to transform the device into a sundial. He could add function without adding weight.

      I don't care if the posters don't bother to RTFA before clicking the 'submit' button, but at least the few moderators out there should...

    5. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by crayz · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, in other words, Nye did do it in software, didn't add weight, and the parent is a complete troll?

    6. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      The SIG of the previous poster contains a link to an Internet Explorer exploit. (Try wgetting it) MOD DOWN!

    7. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, he is a troll. He just wants to spread his links leading to his goatse picture collection..

    8. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't want to see this in a software solution. I think this is great. Not only will it inspire future generations to think big, but also could make a nice historical landmark on mars tourists can visit in the future if everything goes successfully.

      What really stinks is at the rate humanity is going I may not see it in my life time. :/

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    9. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn it, mod this F***R down. He just wants us to click on his links.

    10. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by MadChicken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was just about to mod you overrated (or troll) but I thought I'd explain instead.

      This bulky hardware solution is almost foolproof! I challenge you to find a software solution that will stand up under Mars conditions for any substantial length of time as compared to a no-moving-parts sundial.

      And don't be ignorant and begrudge the kids scientific knowledge. Some of those that track the marsdial will probably end up on the Mars program in a few years.

      The article also indicates that the sundial is additional functionality added to an existing item - a color measuring instrument. "He could add function without adding weight". So your $100,000 of "my" tax dollars (semantically loaded sentence) is a red herring.

      Now, other moderators need to lower your rating.

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    11. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by davmoo · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Let's see...I have a choice here...

      I can support my tax dollars being used to send something thats mostly fluff on board a science mission to Mars. It serves no useful purpose other than maybe getting kids interested.

      Or I can watch as a blathering idiot in the Whitehouse uses my tax dollars to bomb the hell out of a foreign nation so he can clean up the mess his equally stupid daddy left behind, all the while using faulty data and outright lies to try and justify his actions...

      Wait...I just had a flash of inspiration and knowledge...the Beagle 2 got blown up by a hidden cache of those weapons of mass destruction...Sadam had them hidden on Mars right under our noses all along!!

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    12. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      So your $100,000 of "my" tax dollars (semantically loaded sentence) is a red herring.

      Does that qualify for a Guinness Record for The Worlds Most Expensive Fish?

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    13. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another choice: You can not reply to obvious trolls. YHBT. YHL. HAND.

    14. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We always thought you were a moron davmoo, but now you've gone and proven it.

    15. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      .test 4 evr

      Also:
      Bill Nye is a shameless self promoter.
      That's all there is to it.

      Why the fuck did Engineering Council pay the $$$ to get this hack over here for EOH two years back is beyond me.

    16. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Crypto Gnome, just wanted you to know that somebody appreciated your witty aside.

      Or so I'd imagine.

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    17. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beagle is a european device and project. Being an American citizen, I don't pay European taxes and hence did not pay any taxes toward the Beagle.

    18. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should not mod someone as troll or overrrated just becuase their opinion might be misguided. This is why you should reply to them and correct them. I applaud you for taking the correct course of action.

    19. Re:Your tax dollars at work, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lastmeasure is NOT an MSIE exploit.

      Please explain how you were exploited, otherwise you're a troll.

  6. HOORAY! I'M EJACULATING! PLEASE NOTIFY THE MEDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  7. Probably Stupid Question by PakProtector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they're going to use the sundial to align the camera if the camera goes out, how are they going to align the sundial to make sure it's correct in the first place?

    --

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    1. Re:Probably Stupid Question by bj8rn · · Score: 1
      how are they going to align the sundial to make sure it's correct in the first place?

      I don't think sticking it the right end up is that hard.

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      Hell is not other people; it is yourself. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
    2. Re:Probably Stupid Question by PakProtector · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is NASA we are talking about here.

      They're Rocket Scientists, not cartographers.

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      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    3. Re:Probably Stupid Question by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, I think it's more or less given that the sundial is fixed onto a part of the robot that doesn't move, most likely the main body.

      I'm not positive, but I think that they'll be able to find the craft's position based off of two things: the current position of the Sun - if they know where the Sun is, they should be able to predict how the shadows would fall on the sundial - and the way that shadows actually are falling on the sundial.

      To the best of my knowledge, those two pieces of information should be enough to identify the robot's alignment

      If the sudial's positioning gets screwed up while landing or on Mars, though, then a whole new host of problems spring up...

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      Goo goo g'joob.
    4. Re:Probably Stupid Question by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      If the sudial's positioning gets screwed up while landing or on Mars, though, then a whole new host of problems spring up...

      They're expecting the sundial's starting position to be random... nobody can predict how the craft is going to bounce during the landing. However, they're sure that they're going to be able to get the thing pointed upwards, and then after a Mars-day of watching the sun cross it they'll be able to solve for Mars-North and then lazer-etch markings into it.

    5. Re:Probably Stupid Question by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1
      Bit of a disclaimer: I'm a high school student, and even though I try, odds are I had no idea what I was talking about when I wrote the parent comment.

      What can I say? It made sense to me then...

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      Goo goo g'joob.
    6. Re:Probably Stupid Question by Naomi_the_butterfly · · Score: 1

      The sundial was justy ADDED to a circular instrument that was gonna be used for calibration... the actual sundial has nothing to do with the calibration. it just occupies the same space. Learn more by listening to the Bill Nye interview at planetary.org/radio

  8. FUCK OFF KARMAWHORE FAGGOT! I SEE THAT YOUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  9. Alternative use by gringer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have noticed that the Beagle 2 may have a problem with its clock:

    Another possibility is that Beagle's clock might have been reset during its descent to the Martian surface, and so it is trying to call home when nobody is listening.

    Now this potential problem has a solution! The rovers just need to use the Marsdial to calibrate their clocks on landing.

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    1. Re:Alternative use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  10. Bill Nye the Science Guy by Tempelherr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I always really thought this guy was really amazing. From what I've seen, he actually has the somewhat rare ability to make science interesting for kids to learn and experiment with. I may be a bit biased though, as growing up here in WA, we often watched his videos in class when it dealt with the particular scientific subject that we studying at the time.

    One time, he even came to the elementary school I went to and gave a presentation on precipitation and weather patterns. It was actually one of the most entertaining presentations I ever saw at school. I havn't heard anything about what he has been up to in years, but I'm glad to see that he is still actively contributing to the world, and perhaps continuing to interest kids with his wierd experiments.

    1. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by mOoZik · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      The bastard refused to sign my jacket at a science competition in high school. Bill Nye the Jerk-off Guy! *angry*

    2. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      One time, he even came to the elementary school I went to and gave a presentation on precipitation and weather patterns.

      Please tell me you were a teacher at that school?! Christ I feel old ... : (

    3. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by dwhitman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You know, everyone seems to love Nye, and he is exposing lots of kids to science, which is a Good Thing. That said, as a scientist, I end up cringing anytime I watch his program. The science on the show often gets submerged under the painful quick-cut MTV-style editing. Call me an old fogey, but after watching more than about 5 minutes, I start feeling ill.

      Although it may not be eye- or rating-catching, an important part of science is cultivating an attention span that allows observation and rational thought. His frenetic style is more about infotainment than showing what science is about. IMHO.

    4. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by Surazal · · Score: 1

      Actually I kinda like his show (though admittedly I am from the MTV generation :).

      Incidentally. I think billnye.com got hit with a secondary slashdot effect... go to his flash web site and it asks you to come back again later.

      CmdrTaco, how could you!? You Slashdotted Bill Nye! :)

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    5. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by paxcirca · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bill Nye is, supposedly, putting together a new television entitled "The Eyes of Nye". Unlike the children's program, "The Eyes of Nye" will be aimed towards adults and will deal with controversial science topics. Also, Nye is serving as a professor at Cornell University, the university where he graduated from.
      I'm glad to see him come back. I remember that he was a strong voice against the Kansas Board of Education's evolution nonsense. Although I was in college when the decision was passed, and my old high school wasn't even particularly governed by the KBOE since it was a private school, the ruckus that it created was quite loud. It was good to see a prominent science figure speaking out. Now that I'm an adult, I'm happy to see him speak to my current age group. Hopefully they can put out a good pilot, and hopefully someone will pick it up.

    6. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He showed up at a AAAS meeting in LA several years ago and struck me as a real ass. He came in late to a talk with his toadies. Then decided he didn't like his seat and moved closer to the front. He asked a couple of assinine questions and left early! I think he may have some good advisors and the show is good. However, I always liked Beakman's world better.

      AC

    7. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now if theres one person I'd like to see a /. interview with this month, it would be the science guy.

      and I fucking hate hearing it called the "mtv" generation. Keeps reminding me of the time I was in a board meeting with older people at work who presented a powerpoint on how to, "MTVift our training seminars to better reach the younger generation". they were like 55, I'm like 20. I dont think they get it either.

      why am i bothering, this isnt even on the homepage anymore and there is no way someone is actually going to read this old thread that this threshold.

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    8. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "why am i bothering, this isnt even on the homepage anymore and there is no way someone is actually going to read this old thread that this threshold."

      not necessarily...

    9. Re:Bill Nye the Science Guy by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

      damn you and your bumpasorous

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  11. Old news... by mOoZik · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The sundial project is old news and has been mentioned previously on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's a little more technical description of the Marsdial in our earlier story.

      Your statement has already been indicated in the /. summary

    2. Re:Old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot also keeps mentioning that 'Linux' thing - they must be posting an article about it at least once a day. Talk about duplicates!

  12. I love the feel of a black cock in my anus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  15. Come on, mod this fool down. Not "Interesting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nor Insightful. The guy is a blatent troll.

  16. MOD PARENT DOWN FUCKERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

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  18. SexyKellyOsbourne RAPES LITTLE BOYS IN THE BATHTUB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
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  20. The pointy end goes in the up direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The pointy end goes in the up direction

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  23. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    about what happened to poor Bill:
    http://www.professorcornbread.com/humor/oni on/bill nye.php

  24. DOWN ON YOUR KNEES BITCH, I DEMAND SATISFACTION! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  25. thank you nigger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

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  26. got to love the holiday seasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    don't you just love the holiday seasons! all the trolls come together in there masses, crapflooding roxerz!

  27. Astrophysics for kindergarten 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    > The goal is to track the sun's movements
    > as viewed from many points on earth, as
    > well as from Mars.

    Ok, kids, pop quiz: what celestial movement does a sundial track?

    1. Re:Astrophysics for kindergarten 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      This one

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    2. Re:Astrophysics for kindergarten 101 by bj8rn · · Score: 1
      Ok, kids, pop quiz: what celestial movement does a sundial track?

      The Seraphim United aka SUN

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    3. Re:Astrophysics for kindergarten 101 by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.

      It tracks the rotation of the Earth, as well as the motion of the Earth around the Sun -- you can use a sundial to tell not only the time, but also what day of the year it is.

      Sorry, just had to put this in. *grin*

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    4. Re:Astrophysics for kindergarten 101 by hao2lian · · Score: 1

      I thought the Earth was at the center of the universe and all celestial bodies orbited around it.

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  28. Go Bill Nye by zippo01 · · Score: 1

    I think it is great, I my self remember wakeing up all early to watch his most wonderful TV show. "No i'm not a geek". I learned about everything, in a fun and interesting way. To hear that Bill Nye is now interplanetery, just make my heart feel good.

    1. Re:Go Bill Nye by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I hated that stupid show. Admittedly, I was many years older than its target audience, but I can't imagine a kid with a bad enough case of ADD that he needed the same *tiny* snippet of information repeated every couple of seconds for the duration of a 20 minute show just to get it in his head.

      When I was young, I watched proper science shows on PBS, and learned more for it. Of course, at the time I thought my dad was a twit for making me watch those shows, but it was hardly torture!

  29. Discriminatory :) by _Pinky_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    So what do people do with a sundial, when the sun won't come up for another month?

    http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_rstablew.pl

    1. Re:Discriminatory :) by Reziac · · Score: 1, Funny

      I had a similar thought... went to the page, and the first thing I see is an image of a nifty sundial.. in of all places, Seattle, Washington. Since when does Seattle get any sun in the first place? ;)

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    2. Re:Discriminatory :) by fuzdout · · Score: 1

      Seattle doesn't get sun. However, the people in Seattle hope that with enough sundials maybe the sun will be attracted to the state. BTW, almost impossible to buy sun screen there (like there really is any kind of need) but it's packed full of "fake tan" products and tanning booths and coffee shops likely support the whole state. :) I used to live there, I should know..Notice I don't live there anymore? [g]

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  30. As seen on TechTV by bigbigbison · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bill Nye was on TechTV a couple weeks ago talking about this. It was pretty interesting. They have a video of it on the TechTV site. http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/howto/story/0,2 4330,3587881,00.html

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  31. Paralax Astronomy by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder (thinking of all these angles of observation), if given observation points on multiple planets, if you would get an actual "3d" representation of the local universe.. or if the distances involved would require the observation points to be further apart.

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    1. Re:Paralax Astronomy by JediTrainer · · Score: 1

      I wonder (thinking of all these angles of observation), if given observation points on multiple planets, if you would get an actual "3d" representation of the local universe.. or if the distances involved would require the observation points to be further apart.

      Astronomy 101: if you're trying to observe something far away, then you can observe it once now, and once again in 6 months. You'll get the 'parallax' you're looking for because our planet will be on the opposite side of our orbit around the sun, which is a useful distance for this sort of thing.

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  32. William Nye is dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  33. It is Good Bill Nye is Still Doing Science by Famatra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am glad Bill Nye is still participating in science. Its unfortunate that his reputation seemed to have suffered in the scientific community after his Disney show Bill Nye the Science Guy, and is now relegated to working on the show 'Battle Bots' for comedy central.

    An interesting article / interview from Scientific American also mentions a wide contempt in the scientific community for scientists engaging the public, for example it is likely Carl Sagan was denied membership to the national academy of sciences because he was on television. As well a scientist deserving of the Nobel Prize, who wrote children's books, was also ridiculed.

    Is it no wonder why the public is so science ignorant when scientists are punished for speaking to and educating them. Hopefully, with Bill Nye as the example, scientists will be more willing to engage the public.

    1. Re:It is Good Bill Nye is Still Doing Science by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure it't punishment per say, but how the scientific "culture" works. Society at large may look at professors and think that their primary job is teaching but very few professors view it this way. Science is highly competitive and extremely time consuming and there often doesn't seem to be time enough to do other things. Some professors in the sciences look at just teaching as punishment since it takes time away from research; assignment of a heavy teaching load is a way to get rid of a tenured professor if you don't want them around. With that point of view towards something that is actually a part of the job of a professor, it's no small wonder that there is some stigma against writing books for the mass audience and going on TV etc. If you're writing a book and going on TV you have to take valuable time away from doing research and keeping up on your constantly-changing field, and since research is the primary function of a professor it's almost like you're not doing your job if you're writing books and whatever. What might be worse for the book-writing TV-appearing professor is that your collegues may end up seeing more of your dumbed-down mass-audience work than your actual research. The natural tendency would be to associate you with the dumbed-down stuff and then unconsciously wonder exactly how much you really know about the subject. Which gets us to Carl Sagan not getting into the Academy and other such problems.

    2. Re:It is Good Bill Nye is Still Doing Science by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bill Nye's formal background is more as a comic actor than a scientist. "Bill Nye: The Science Guy" was a character he first used on "Almost Live!" which was a Seattle local show that at the peak of its run was syndicated nationally. Pat Cashman, with his deep announcer voice, was also an Almost Live! cast member and is seen frequently on Nye's show as well. Nye was always interested in science, and as a result he made sure that his Bill Nye: The Science Guy show was accurate and at lot of influence in the direction of the show. Yet, he really doesn't have any science research cred, he's a broadcaster who knows how to present grade-school level topics in a way that most people can understand. His sundial idea is just a little too simplistic for NASA to have come up with on their own, which is why they initially rejected it. However, there is valid science because a sundial will always give you a fairly accurate way to tell time no matter which planet in the solar system you're on, and also a valid way to solve for orientation. Two things that previous missions may have stumbled over... a checksum is a very nice thing to have sometimes...

    3. Re:It is Good Bill Nye is Still Doing Science by Quikah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bill Nye has a Mechanical Engineering degree and worked at Boeing as an engineer before he got involved in acting. That is not enough formal scientific background for you?

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  34. sigh of relief by Blob+Pet · · Score: 0, Redundant

    apparently, rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

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  35. Definitely not a software problem by Reziac · · Score: 1

    That's actually a good point -- a sundial is simple, has no moving parts, is usually made of durable materials, and so long as you don't do something silly like plant it upsidedown, will be accurate so long as the sun doesn't suddenly rise in the west. (Since the sun is on fire, that would be a hardware problem. :)

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  36. Huh? Please help me parse this... by kclittle · · Score: 1
    But it now appears the Seattle sundial may be much more than an artistic color calibrator and timepiece. It's a necessary backup.

    "NASA engineers orient the Mars rover by looking at the sun through the panoramic camera," Sullivan explained. But they only recently recognized they had no orientation system to back up the camera should it fail, he said.

    Each rover is expected to cruise the Martian surface for three months, collecting samples of rock and soil, and each vehicle's success depends upon having its bearings.

    "Then the engineers realized they could orient using the sundial," Sullivan said. "Our sundial is now the official backup for orienting NASA's rover."

    If the camera fails, how can they read the dial?

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    1. Re:Huh? Please help me parse this... by yotto · · Score: 1

      I would assume they are smart enough to think of this. You don't need a camera to read a sundial.

      It could be over the solar panels, and where the panels aren't getting light, that's where the ball or whatever is casting its shadow.

      I'm sure there are more ways to do this, but that's just one.

  37. Key words by Eevee · · Score: 2, Informative

    panoramic camera

    There are a total of nine cameras on the rover. I suspect that the pair of Navcams (which don't have solar filters) would be used for task should the pair of Pancams malfunction.

    1. Re:Key words by kclittle · · Score: 1
      Ah! Thank you!

      -k

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  38. way to go msnbc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, great for MSNBC. They're reporting something I saw on TechTV a month ago. Cutting edge!

  39. our natural rhythms by unger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    during the last daylight savings time switch i actually went and read a bit about it. what i found particularly interesting were some details behind the creation of standard time:

    "Standard time in time zones was instituted in the U.S. and Canada by the railroads on 18 November 1883. Before then, time of day was a local matter, and most cities and towns used some form of local solar time, maintained by some well-known clock (for example, on a church steeple or in a jeweler's window). The new standard time system was not immediately embraced by all, however.

    [SNIPPED]

    Detroit kept local time until 1900 when the City Council decreed that clocks should be put back twenty-eight minutes to Central Standard Time. Half the city obeyed, half refused. After considerable debate, the decision was rescinded and the city reverted to Sun time. A derisive offer to erect a sundial in front of the city hall was referred to the Committee on Sewers. Then, in 1905, Central time was adopted by city vote."

    the notion of living according to local solar time is very appealing to me. i wonder how my natural rhythms might be different from what they are now and how i would feel if i lived more in harmony with the ebb and flow of light.

    it's interesting to note that *when* plants and animals receive sunlight has a huge effect on their existence. not only that, the whole environment the plant or animal exists in changes with the arrival of sunlight (other critters wake up, temperatures rise, moisture levels change, etc.). the whole biology is mind-bogglingly complex.

    it seems to me that standardizing time adds more complexity to an already complex system that already works fine without the notion of _time_. i also notice that the desire for knowing the answer to "what time is it?" is deeply rooted in a desire for control.

    human attempts to control biological systems has seemingly contributed to a vast destabilizing of our environment everywhere on earth. moving back to true local solar time seems like something that might move us back in the direction of our natural rhythms and encourage us to relinquish the notion of needing to control.

    on Christmas Eve i decided to have a potluck with my friends. i told them all to bring candles because i wanted to turn of the electricity while we ate. this was partially inspired by some of my friends that have instituted "no-electricity sundays" in their home. every sunday (for the whole day) of every week they turn the juice off at the breaker box.

    after everyone arrived i lit all the candles, but i left some of the lights on. i was concerned that there would not be enough light. after the potluck ended i realized that being accustomed to having daytime quantities of light available at night led me to choose to leave electric lights on. realizing this led me to dine by candlelight (with even fewer candles) for my Christmas dinner. the dimness of the candle light made me much more aware that it was the evening. it also caused me to reflect on the sustainability of using electricity and contemplate how i might use less of it.

    peace

    david

    1. Re:our natural rhythms by blackirys · · Score: 1

      when living and communicating locally, it is possible to live without knowing exactly what time it is. for instance, you could say, "i'll meet you near dawn," and that is relevant to me if i live near you.

      i live in an intentional community, and we serve community meals at approximately 12:30 (for lunch) and 6PM (for dinner). so i could choose to go down to the lodge for a meal at those times (and probably end up waiting a while), or i could wait for the bell. if i am too far away to hear the bell, i have to rely on clock time.

      the only things i really have to be on time for tend to be institutional and less personal. like getting my kids to school or getting my daughter to a ballet lesson. even so, these things don't always start exactly on time. if everyone attending the school or the lesson lived locally, we could rely on a bell or some other signal to let us know when to gather.

      i think it's interesting to examine my "schedule" for places where i am ruled by time, and places where i can be looser. especially in these winter holidays, free from much of my schedule (i work when i want to), i have been enjoying being mostly free of the clock. i'm wanting to extend that more into regular life - i notice that my days seem much more expansive and spontaneous.

  40. What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Star Hustler building a fusion reactor?

  41. Bill Nye by tai_Dasher · · Score: 1

    Fucking Rocks.

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  42. Bzzzttt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We chose to go to the moon, we chose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because the goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one in which we intend to win, and the others, too"

  43. Earthdial's interesting... but how about this? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Take a globe of the world, one that's mounted in such a way that the axis can be tilted to any angle. Take it outside. Put it in a sunlit area. Turn the globe's support horizontally until the axis is pointing true north/south. Then adjust the tilt of the axis and the globe's rotation on the axis until your own town's position on the globe is straight up. You've just aligned the globe to match the orientation of the Earth.

    Now, when you look at the globe, the part of the globe that is in sunlight shows you the exact part of the world that's in daylight. No software, no calculations, no gnomons, no Equation of Time. In the late afternoon you can see that your home town is near the edge of the lit part of the globe... and that it is lit more dimly than the part of the globe on which the sun is falling directly.

    One project I fantasize doing someday during retirement is to find some sort of globe that can tolerate being outside in all sorts of weather... and a location where the sky is unobstructed... that is close to some elementary school... and set one of these things up permanently on a concrete pillar or something.

  44. Unfortuntely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope the experts don't have too much trouble with the conversion from Mars-Time to Earth-Time and/or US Standard Time (Laden, or Unladen?).

    Oh, and the dial had better not be marked in Roman numerals. Or they might have "minor difficulties" in the conversion to foot-pound-second units.

    Besides, don't sundials have to be calibrated for lattitude and longitude ? And are only exact twice a year ?

  45. Great for kids, and stoned adults alike by cosmol · · Score: 1
    Bill Nye was a great show to watch around 4:20 if you know what I mean. There were jokes all over the place. I loved the "X of science", where X was whatever item he was using to illustrate the scientific principle of the day. Also the music video parodies of current pop songs were hilarious.

    Have you ever seen Bill Nye man? Have you ever seen Bill Nye, ON WEEEED?