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Holding On To Hope For Beagle 2

slasher999 writes "Scientists are still keeping their hopes up that they will be able to revive Beagle via the Mars Express mothership on 4 January. On that date the ship will be in the correct orbit and may then be able to revive the lander. Current theroies as to what may have gone wrong include the possibility that the landers on-board clock is incorrect and that the lander has been transmitting at incorrect times. Funny, I thought I heard that as of yesterday the batteries on the lander would have been depleted unless the lander had received an order to recharge its batteries."

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  1. However... by mOoZik · · Score: 3, Informative

    You guys must realize that neither the Odyssey nor Earth-based radio telescopes were tested with the Beagle 2. Only the Mars Express orbiter was specifically designed and tested to communicate with the lander.

    1. Re:However... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you know how finely tuned the receivers are ? I do.

      Typically your receiver has a (physical, not in-software) narrow-bandpass low-noise amplifier that is tuned to a minute section of the frequency spectrum (say 1MHz range), specifically because you're trying to find a needle in a haystack - a galactic haystack at that! It's a noisy place out there; to design for the specific case you need requires a lot of optimisation of that case versus everything else - it's not just like scanning up and down the range... if you are not spot-on the correct frequency at the correct time, you'll miss the signal.

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  2. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Is that damn thing running on metric time? Didn't we agree on standard time?

  3. Electricity by mceister · · Score: 2, Informative
    This means Beagle will then be transmitting permanently during daylight hours. And, by then, Mars Express will be in prime position to listen for its "baby".

    The BBC article seems to imply that Beagle will use solar power to transmit a signal. Perhaps as a fallback if the batteries have failed?

  4. Assuming the Best for Beagle's Power? by mbathgate · · Score: 5, Informative
    A little Google Newsing reveals a number of conflicts regarding our little friend's batteries.

    The most recent BBC Article seems to have the illustrious Professor Colin assuming the best:
    "We need to get Beagle 2 into a period when it can broadcast for a much longer period," said Professor Colin Pillinger.
    "This will happen around the 4 January after the spacecraft has experienced a sufficient number of communication failures to switch to automatic transmission mode."
    This means Beagle will then be transmitting permanently during daylight hours. And, by then, Mars Express will be in prime position to listen for its "baby".
    The Beagle's got a 42-cell Lithium Ion power source, so assuming that was previously charged (why wouldn't it be?!) then it should last for some decent amount of time. That being said, transmitting continuously for 12+ hours a day doesn't bode well if the probe never got the message to unfold its solar panels (shouldn't that have been the next step after the airbags deflated?!)!
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    1. Re:Assuming the Best for Beagle's Power? by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Beagle is supposed to land and unfurl automatically, IIRC, and so charging is part of its self-maintenance. It needs contact with Earth to begin the experiments.

  5. Re:it needs ordering to recharge it's batteries??? by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is programmed to recharge them automatically...if the solar arrays properly opened. That said let's face facts, Beagle 2 is dead. And despite all the insipid 'pfft it was British what do you expect' jokes already posted to this story, I think this result should be marked as a very dissapointing and unfortunate outcome. Think of the scientists who have spent the past ~6 years of their lives working on this project (Collin Pillinger being the most notable). This must be positively crushing for them. The engineering on the lander was absolutely incredible, look at the design of the instruments Beagle2 carried, some of them are downright elegant; a tiny single chip radiation detector, a hot thin film wind speed and direction monitor, a fully functional gas chromatograph that could nearly fit in your hand, there is a dust sensor, UV sensors, microscope with multispectral LED illumination, a mossbauer spectrometer, an atmospheric gas oxidation sensor little more than a centimeter across, a subsurface burrowing mole, pressure and temperature sensors, and a high resolution CCD camera.

    Contrast this with the NASA Mars Rovers' 3 experiments and the fact that all the science on Beagle2 had to be squeezed into less than ~100 Lb. while the Rovers weigh 10X that and there's no denying the unbelievable effort that the scientists and engineers must have put into its assembly.

    This is a sad day for science that could have been, but also a testament to what could be done given limited resources and a small budget.

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  6. Re:Batteries Running Down by mbathgate · · Score: 4, Informative
    From a more recent AP Story:
    The onboard computer was supposed to send commands to release a clamp, open the lid and begin transmission. Four, petal-like solar panels were to initiate charging of the batteries.
    Well, apparently this was supposed to be automatic. It seems as though the reports earlier put a bit more of a gloom and doom spin on things than necessary.
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  7. Re:it needs ordering to recharge it's batteries??? by iocat · · Score: 2, Informative
    Look, I don't want to be a jerk, but all the elegant design and engineering in the world doesn't matter if the thing is currently a scattered pile of scrap on a windswept Martian desert. They didn't have a back-up for the airbags, which burst during the first test, and which they couldn't test again before launch. That kind of sucks.

    That said, I agree, it's a massive bummer. I was really hoping that this current crop of Mars probes would all succeed.

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  8. holy fucking clueless by macpeep · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, it's ESA, not NASA. Second, yes, it is automatic.

  9. Re:Nigerian scam anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In JPL's defense, the unit conversion problem was the fault of the contractor in Colorado, Lockheed Martin, which fed JPL the English units. JPL's failure was only not "recognizing and correcting" that error.

  10. Re:Nigerian scam anyone by snake_dad · · Score: 5, Informative
    Mostly right, but you are wrong when you call the Beagle 2 an ESA product. Mars Express is, but Beagle 2 is a privately funded UK project. It was created by professor Colin Pillinger and a whole bunch of volunteers. From what I can make out from the briefings that I've seen, Colin is an exceptional guy, and it breaks my heart to see his puppy sitting on Mars, unresponsive. So far...

    The craft was made against all odds on a shoestring budget, in record time, and within crazy weight limits. Because of the weight constraints several backup and/or extra communications systems could not be added. Anyone who compares this lander to Pathfinder, the MER's, or any other NASA project is out of his mind...

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  11. Re:What kind of shoddy... by snake_dad · · Score: 4, Informative
    What kind of shoddy poster believes anything in the slashdot write up of an article? There is no need for a command to recharge batteries. When the lander was being designed, there was no agreement yet with NASA to use the Mars Odyssey probe for communications, and the use of Jodrell Bank Observatory was only agreed on after launch of the Mars Express (IIRC).

    So, during design, the only available method of communication would be Mars Express. It was already known that for several days after landing, MEX would not be in position to talk to the lander (due to the need to change its orbit from equatorial to polar).

    Thus they had to plan for the lander to stay alive and healthy on its own for at least 10 days. That is why it was programmed to automatically recharge its batteries as soon as the solar panels were unfolded and the sun would appear.

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  12. Re:There's only one thing worse... by snake_dad · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup... All these folks ready to give up on a "shoddy euro spacecraft" are probably forgetting all the months of searching for NASA's Polar Lander, and Jodrell Bank and Westerbork observatories pitching in to do their part in that search.

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  13. No we don't by localroger · · Score: 2, Informative
    It took a fair amount of detective work to figure out where Mars Pathfinder, which is a bit bigger than Beagle, was with respect to the Mars Global Surveyor photos because the orbiter itself couldn't be resolved. And I'm pretty sure Mars Express does not have a better imager than MGS.

    Basically, if Beagle 2 doesn't wake up and start singing, we will probably never know why.

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  14. where are the facts? by bmfs · · Score: 4, Informative

    oh dear, some facts...

    firstly, beagle2 charges its batteries automatically.

    secondly, the airbag did fail its first tests, but it did pass its final test (there was not enough time to test further).

    sources? the bbc - they made a great 2 part documentary which followed beagle2 from genesis to launch.