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DARPA Robot Contest Update

rbrandis writes "DARPA has selected a wide variety of teams, after a series of last minute rule changes and a solid outpouring of anger, the final list of competitors for DARPA's Grand Challenge robot race has been set with 25 teams preparing to try and win a $1 million prize." The anger is exemplified by submissions like this one: Totally_Lost writes "Last spring we flocked to DARPA's Grand Challenge media event in Los Angeles to be told that they wanted everyone's participation in their Robot race this March. They told us that the race would be open to Mom and Pop garage sized participants - and Lied. This fall, nearly 100 teams completed technical paper submissions, with about half to be eliminated from the $1M prize race because they were too small to be 'real' competitors. Well, the rejected robot racing teams got together in Las Vegas last month, and formed the International Robot Racing Federation. This month IRRF is announcing its first competition with $1M in prizes pledged by sponsors, and lesser prizes too, to be offered in a REAL OPEN Challenge next September (providing the race that DARPA failed to deliver)."

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  1. Wasn't DARPA justified in their decision? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From what I've read, it seems they were correct to cull the less-advanced robots from the "herd" - their reasoning is sound.

    The presentation of the article, however, seems to be biased in favor of the poor losers; why?

    Is there evidence that they were indeed up to snuff but were drubbed anyway?

    1. Re:Wasn't DARPA justified in their decision? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point of the RACE is to cull the less-advanced robots. Why the pre-culling ?

      I have a friend on one of the University teams. The professor in charge, who had connections to JPL, forced them to design the robot to loose by setting it's top speed to slow to complete the route in the allocated time.

      As someone who spent 6 years working for a defense contractor, almost exclusively on DARPA contracts, I can attest that DARPA and the research industry around it have all the typical problems of research as a money making end, instead of a search for something to make money with.

      It's not in the best interest of the big contractors to solve the problem too quickly, they get less money. They want to perpetually "show promise" and "make progress" without actually ever doing something useful.

      In addition, a success by a maveric team would embarass some VERY large campaign donors and recipients of BILLIONS in your tax money.

      The Challenge was a radical idea within DARPA, probably an attempt to shake up the status quo a bit, and the beauracracy is attempting to smoother it.

      It is likely to end up embarassing ror those people anyway. It sparked too much interest by people who have the concept of actually solving problems. Whether people in the media will actually put 2 and 2 together, and ask 1 year from now "if hobbiests can do 250 miles at 30 mph, why can't JPL's and SRI's vehicles drive more than 5 mph and reboot after every few hundred yards, after all the money we threw at them" is the big question.

  2. Nice to see the technology is catching up... by the+man+with+the+pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .to the desire for household robots. Once upon a time, the very thought of a lawn mowing robot filled people with fear. You're not installing a robot lawn mower near my Fifi. (I'm looooking overrrrr, my dead dog Roverrrrrrr...) But robots are getting pretty good at recognizing objects, so there is hope that while mowing the lawn they won't mutilate your pets.

    Of course people don't tend to realize that robotics is in use all around them, all the time. A robot is "A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance", or alternately, "a mechanism that can move automatically".

    Besides the mechanical aspect necessary for something to be robotic, there is the usual criteria for a useful electronic circuit. It must sense, decide, and act. Even a door-opening device at your local supermarket can do this; it senses that something has entered sensor range, it decides whether the signal is strong enough to warrant opening the door (partly based on its sense of what its function switch is set to) and then decides whether or not to open it. The act stage in this case causes motion, which is what makes it a robot.

    While we often hope to see robots become more useful around the house, I believe that it is in major industrial scenarios that they will take off first. This is not a shocking prediction given that this is where they currently enjoy their greatest successes, but I am referring to more autonomous robots than those which currently paint cars and so on. For instance, large earthmoving projects could be carried out with little to no human intervention simply because the problem domain is so simple. Through use of a combination of sensors (including visual/optical, radar, sonar, lidar, and others) a sophisticated map of geometry can be built. If you're not moving very quickly, this can be done with sufficient accuracy using current technology to carry out moderately complicated tasks.

    I envision a cluster of wirelessly networked systems which will share computing time with one another when they have cycles to spare, working together to carry out such a project. The sum of the data from stress analyses, efficiency plans, and so on would be combined to carry out tasks as rapidly as possible. Ultimately, people will be able to focus on management tasks rather than laboring.

    The question posed, then, is what do we do with all the people who will soon be unemployed by robots? Aside from forming labor unions and legislating inefficiency, what is the solution? I cannot picture any true capitalism managing to care for people displaced by robots, which will only happen with increasing regularity as robotics becomes a better-solved problem. It's bad enough when the jobs leave your country, but only the corporations (and of course the consumers - but they have to have jobs in order to consume!) benefit when the jobs go to robots.

    --
    The linux hacker
  3. Re:Join Team Overbot - no pay, some risk, big priz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm pretty good at smelling a troll, and this one reeks. A quick search of Google shows us that this exact same comment was posted here over 2 months ago. The parent is probably using the Anti-Slash Database Tool to find and search out previous popular posts.

    In addition, the parent is a brand-new account, with an already rich posting history of highly-moderated comments, some of which are reposted from older articles.

    Also, if you carefully read between the lines, you will notice the posts by this user bear a striking resembelance to those of Sir Haxalot, Pingular, and Steve 'Rim' Jobs, all of which are accounts created by the same user for the purposes of karma-whoring and building up large amounts of karma very quickly in an effor to use this to his advantage while trolling.

    Please moderate his post down so this trolling karma-whore will not be able to annoy others and carefully work the system. If you fear the wrath of Meta-mod, you can always rate him as "Overrated" which gives negative karma but does not go to M2.

    This has been a public service announcement from a helpful Slashdot user. Posted anonymously to avoid the groupthink.

  4. Re:A Real Change by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh no, I never said I was averse to any such machines or plans, but that they are indeed inevitable, and to believe that these will somehow only be used in the peaceful domain is naive.

  5. Re:Join Team Overbot - no pay, some risk, big priz by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm good friends with a team in the Raleigh/Durham area (Team Insight), and they have been accepted into the grand challenge.
    Both myself, along with every member of their team were shocked that DARPA accepted them. They are not on good financial footing at all. For their budget, they need approximately $250,000 (With 4 zeros); however, they know that there are many teams with budgets in excess of 3 and 4 million dollars.

    They are looking actively for donations, but have not seen much come to them. They do not expect to be able to compete at all.

    However, they were accepted into the challenge. DARPA didn't even require a site inspection of them. They are not affiliated with a major company, university, or anyone in particular, yet they have been accepted. Speaking with one of the members, he was just as confused that they got through as I, and his only explanation was, "We wrote a really good paper."

    I'm very impressed that they got this far, but it shows that DARPA is obviously not being very even handed in their acceptance.
    DARPA really screwed up this competition, and it's a shame.

    That said, if you're rich and want to donate to them, there is a contact form on their website. I'd love to see them go all the way.

  6. If you don't have your own machine shop ... by inonit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You may want to check out RARS, a simulator framework in which you can write programs to run in a simulated auto race against other programs. I haven't messed with RARS in a while, but at the time I was using it, (IIRC) your driver was a C++ class that received a huge struct as a parameter and returned a small struct indicating the direction you wanted to steer and a number indicating gas/brake magnitude.

    But what do I know -- my car could barely make it around the track without running into the wall.

  7. Re:Al Gore invented the Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You are close! Al Gore is the robot leader/prototype. Check your facts next time, you n00b.

  8. Wait a minute. Don't jump to conclusions. by __david__ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My friend's team made it and they have NO sponsors (or none at the time they got accepted) and are just a few guys working out of someones garage. They got in because they had a good plan and had already made solid progress on their vehicle.

    Perhaps this complaining from the small teams is just a case of sour grapes? Perhaps they didn't have a solid plan or any sort of progress and really had no chance to win?

    That isn't a flame, I honestly don't know. I just know that there is at least 1 unfunded (well, personnally funded) team that made it in.

    -David