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Pew Study Says RIAA Tactics Are Working

Furd writes "The Pew Internet & American Life Project has posted a new data study that purports to show that the RIAA lawsuit strategy has successfully reduced P2P filesharing. While the presentation of the data is weak (poor graphics and weak statistics), the report does suggest that there has been a change in the usage of P2P tools."

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  1. Re:It worked for me by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I oggify it for my laptop, and it sounds "okay" but I can hear the difference; mostly in the cymbols and, I dunno, some of the "punchiness" and "energy". Obviously for very high bitrate mp3s its harder, but the files are commensurately larger. Lossless each song is about 50 mb; I can fit about 11 CDs on each DVD-R.

    All lossy music sounds like "cassette-quality" to me; I much prefer flac, since technology has allowed me to deal with 50 mb 3-minute songs like its no big deal.

  2. Hmmmm..... add migration to BitTorrent and eMule by aSiTiC · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'd like to see an equally 'fuzzy' Excel graph of the increase in BitTorrent and eDonkey/eMule statistics. I would venture to guess that the sums of the total would be equal to or greater than the usage of KaZaA before RIAA lawsuits.

    I personally know that my friends are quickly moving to eMule due to the degradation of KaZaA's usability. They are having no difficulty in migrating to eMule's interface. Perhaps the RIAA should realize that attacking one source doesn't effect other sources, especially with today's computer literate college youth.

  3. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by jdifool · · Score: 4, Informative
    Hi,

    you said everything that was needed. Well done.
    But the question, now, is : why such a story is posted when this is self-evident than someone is going to refute the very content of the story ? Or is it just meant to allow us to put some more sarcasms to the RIAA ? I still wonder.
    Nothing to see here, move along.

    Regards,
    jdif

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  4. Re:It worked for me by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a surprise for you - your "lossless" formats are in fact really lossy. To better understand this, consider the difference between 192KHz 24-bit PCM (the best DVD-Audio can do) and 44.1KHz 16-bit PCM (the format used on all CDs). Both are "lossless" per your definition, but all other things being equal, the DVD-A format provides a more complete reproduction than the CD format does. In fact, the CD format loses about 85% of the theoretical information content that the DVD-A format contains. Now compare the DVD-A format to a hypothetical 512KHz 32-bit PCM encoding, same sort of thing applies, ad infinitum.

    My point is that while you may not like psycho-acoustical compression like mp3,vorbis,aac,etc - you are still losing information with your so-called "lossless" formats, it is just that the choice about what information to through away is not directly based on human perceptual capabilities but rather simple mechanical inability.

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  5. Usenet by egg+troll · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not to sound pretentious but most of the music I listen too isn't readily found on P2P apps. Instead I get it from Usenet. (Easynews.com offers 30 days worth of newsgroups access including binaries for $10/month and has definitely been worth it.)


    The only downside is that you can only download what other people have posted. But if you ask nicely someone will usually upload whatever obscure album I'm looking for after a couple of days. In a way, its like a IRC trading with REALLY REALLY bad lag. :)

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  6. I stopped using Kazaa... by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... but not because of the RIAA, but simply because the process of finding the albums I liked was almost impossible. The tedious process of finding the songs, downloading them and then repeating the process if the rip was of poor quality or incomplete was not worth my time anymore.

    That is not to say that I started buying CDs all of a sudden, far from it. The last CD I bought was more than three years ago (RATM, Battle of LA), and the only reason I did it was because it was my favourite band and I decided to show my support to them. I had the same album in mp3s since the day it came out.

    This has been discussed numerous times on /. but I thought it's worth mentioning again. When the RIAA will start changing its abusive tactics towards technology in general, then I _might_ consider buying another CD from them. Even then, I have everything ever played by my favourite rock bands, I have a lot of classical music, blues, jazz. And since of late I've been more interested in DJ mixes that are not even available on CD anywhere (try buying DJ Tiesto or DJ Sasha to name just some very well known people), but only on specialised sites or through other friends, I'm even less likely to buy one of the RIAA CDs.

    So unless they will actually release interesting, creative music (instead of Britney et al), I couldn't care less about the RIAA's problems. The one way it did affect me was through the levy imposed on mp3 players in Canada, but you can always buy them from private individuals that bring them over straight from HK or Japan. But that's another can of worms, and it's off topic under this article.

  7. What? by Arcturax · · Score: 2, Informative

    Poor graphics? A study doesn't have to be prettied up to be a good study.

    I think that mainstream P2P may have gone down. However underground P2P is going waaaay up. All the RIAA has done is to force this underground. The Pew study likely doens't look at the underground methods. I think most of us know what software I mean.

    But let them think they've won. Hopefully it will blind them to reality and hasten their well deserved end.

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  8. Re:What really matters by xophos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, what a surprise. The RIAA and international counterparts piss of everyone and then they think they are going to make more money? When you want People to buy something from you, you have to be nice to them, or at least pretend so. Here in Germany we have a huge media Campain that basicly says: If you copy cds or dvds you are a criminal and go to Jail.
    Not only is this hugely exagerated, it is a plain lie. The only chance of going to jail for that, is when you charge money for it.
    But they think they kan scare people into buying crappy songs from crappy mainstream bands...
    Well, i own about 25 cd's, all of which were bought, when you could get them for 15DM (about 7.50 EUR). I will not buy anymore untill i can get them for that price or lower again AND they stop behaving like the mafia. It's bad enough, that i pay a fee on each recordable media i buy for recording Knoppix or Debian on it.

  9. Re:I'm sorry, but that's total bull crap by po8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Calculations show that anything above 20 bit is simply not worth the effort - you won't be able to hear a single bit of difference anyway, the first 4 bit will be well below the noise floor.

    Be careful how you do those calculations. Frequency domain methods, such as FFT and/or the human ear, can detect periodic signals well below the "noise floor".

  10. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by DashEvil · · Score: 4, Informative

    The eDonkey network (and it's many clients) are more sophisticated. You forgot them. :P

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  11. Yea, a change to MUTE! (link enclosed) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yea, everyone is changing over to MUTE, using Bittorrent or Freenet.
    That should screw up some stats!

    MUTE protects your privacy, unlike other networks!
    Get MUTE at:
    http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/

  12. Re:Actually.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    SoulSeek.

  13. The U.S. did it 12 years ago. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Informative

    This tax benefits mainly folks like Celine Dion and Brian Adams and whomever sings those beer commercial songs. It doesn't benefit the artists of the rest of the world.

    First, it's not a tax. It's a levy, tarrif or royalty, depending on who you talk to.

    Second, it is imposed by international convention just about anywhere you would like to live. http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/resources/around_world. jsp. It is infact well-distributed around the world.

    Third, they succeeded in imposing a very similar system in the U.S., it happened twelve years ago. The RIAA http://www.riaa.com/issues/licensing/default.asp is a member of the AARC, who admisters the royalties in the U.S. http://www.aarcroyalties.com/.

    AHRA requires manufacturers of digital audio recorders and blank digital discs and tapes to pay royalties to the United States Copyright Office ("Copyright Office") for the benefit of eligible artists and sound recording copyright owners. This is to compensate artists and copyright owners for lost revenues because of the displaced sales caused by home taping.

    I don't really understand this stuff myself, but just check out the websites. They have lots of info up there about what they're doing and why.

    One thing I really don't understand, is why "Happy Birthday" can demand royalties direct through AOL/Time Warner, when systems like this are in place. Urban legend?

    1. Re:The U.S. did it 12 years ago. by Bombcar · · Score: 2, Informative

      One difference is that in Canada you pay the media tax on any media (I believe), whereas the in the US we only pay the tax on blank MUSIC CDs. Which is why they are always more expensive than the blank DATA CDs.

  14. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by WeblionX · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shareaza is a pretty good client. It supports Gnutella 1 and Gnutella 2, as well as eDonkey2000 and BitTorrent. I don't know if it counts as "more sophisticated" but if Kazaa really did not hash the entire file, then at least G2 is more sophisticated, since it makes sure the entire file is not corrupted. Plus, there's no spyware. :x

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  15. Re:Hmmmm..... add migration to BitTorrent and eMu by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was never on KaZaA. I started out on WinMX, which was an opennap client before it grew its own P2P network, which even in 2004 still isn't polluted. The thing WinMX has that BitTorrent and eMule lack is that BT and eMule are optimized for a few files of 20 MB to 1 GB (e.g. whole albums and ISOs) rather than many files in the 4 MB to 10 MB range (e.g. singles).