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Better Search Results Than Google?

Mechanik writes "CNN has an AP article about the next generation of up and coming search tools, which try to cope with the glut of hits that result from 'conventional' search engines such as Google. One tool, Vivisimo, "is like a superfast librarian who can instantly arrange the titles on shelves in a way that makes sense. [...] But unlike libraries, Vivisimo doesn't use predefined categories. Its software determines them on the fly, depending on the search results. The filing is done through a combination of linguistic and statistical analysis." Grokker, another, downloadable program, "not only sorts search results into categories but also "maps" the results in a holistic way, showing each category as a colorful circle. Within each circle, subcategories appear as more circles that can be clicked on and zoomed in on." You have to love the author's use of trying to look for a hotel in France with the terms 'Paris Hilton' as an example of searching gone awry."

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  1. I still won't be happy... by Kickstart70 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...until I can regexp my searches. It would make a whole lot of difference.

    1. Re:I still won't be happy... by eyeye · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That would be good.

      One way to improve google would be to filter any domain that has more than one hypen in it.

      You know those results from - "buy-mobile-phones-cheap-now-online.com" that you get when you searched for "linux patch".

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    2. Re:I still won't be happy... by costas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Search engines index words in web pages and at most keep word order (word no X out of N in page). In addition, they throw out common or garbage words (like 'the', 'and', etc), so the actual text is not represented in the index. That right there is a major reason why not to do regexes... Secondly, regexes are awefully expensive CPU-wise and understood by only a tiny portion of your users, so it's quite unlikely that this would happen.

    3. Re:I still won't be happy... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I don't understand why Google isn't doing that sort of filtering already.

      They could get sued. It's an interesting thing legally, it's not really been tested yet. If Google deliberately block a site from appearing in it's results based on a matter of taste (i.e. they think it's poor content), then they leave themselves open to legal action.

      And that is the curse of Google. It's downfall started about six months ago. It's still great for solving technical problems but trying to get product reviews or searching on any brand-name etc for info is a waste of time. Just the official page and a hundred links to "portal" sites that have wormed their way up page-rank, each trying to sell you something.

      It was inevitable I suppose. Once the lay public got their hands on it en-mass, the search-spammers targetted it. Once the google users hit a certain critical mass, it all went downhill.

      Perhaps we should just keep the next best thing to ourselves...? ;-)

  2. Better search results than Google? It will happen! by soluzar22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, Google made a huge leap forward from the old-guard, of AltaVista & Yahoo, who were in their own way a huge leap beyond what had gone before. We had to expect this to happen sooner or later, but two things spring irresistably to mind.

    1)Will it gain the enormous foothold in the collective consciousness that Google has acquired? To Google is now a verb... and it gets mentioned on Buffy, which is as good a cultural barometer as we are ever likely to have. :-)

    2)Will the UI and secondary services (such as the ODP, and Google Groups) be as good as Google itself?
    Also, while I'm sure that it will happen one day, I'll believe it when I use it and not before... Oh, and the Paris Hilton thing? LOL! That sort of anti-result comes back from search engines *a lot*. I was just talking to my mom about searches of that type of ambiguous nature the other day.

  3. Grokker reminds me... by Kickstart70 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    of Antarctica, an old and very clunky Java Yahoo-like engine (sorta). It used a map of Antarctica to drill down into categories and subcategories before putting the user in a 3D world interface at the lowest level. When I interviewed with them, the interviewer did an excellent job of turning me off the technology, explaining that the 3D interface would allow 'billboard and other advertisements' along with the search results formatted in a 'mall or street' of entries.

    Gah.

  4. Every so often... by clifgriffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A new search engine comes along that touts its uber intelligent way of searching. It is hyped by the press but ends up by the way side. (See Teoma)

    I don't get excited about "Google alternatives". Google satisfies my searching needs as it is. Sometimes "knowing what to search for" is better than a super intelligent search engine.

    As far as I'm concerned anyone with a clue can produce the results they need with a little bit of practice and common sense. They don't need new search engines.

    Clif

  5. What if... by GeckoFood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What if you want that glut of hits? Sometimes you have to dig through some pretty obscure hits on a search to get what you want, and categorizing them or putting them in funny circles just complicates the process and can make the search take longer. I'll hang with Google and Teoma, thank you very much.

    And I certainly don't want a downloadable search app running, that's just another possible inroad for spyware. I've been burned enough times by apps I thought were "clean" that went off and chewed up enough bandwidth to choke a horse.

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  6. The same idea for images by TomDes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We realized the same idea for images. Take the results from Google Image Search and rearrange them using methods from computer vision.
    An article about this is available here: Clustering visually similar images to improve image search engines .

  7. Re:Better search results than Google? It will happ by asdhwesd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is there a search engine that can filter out all of those annoying placeholder sites that grab unsuspecting visitors by simply putting every word about a certain subject on a page and then having links to other useless websites? This is 'webspam' as far as I am concerned and the next step in search engine design should be 'placeholder' site aware.

    A search engine that ignores specifically commercial sites would also be helpful.

    Any ideas on either of these type features in current or upcoming search engines?

  8. Not quite by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I tried a few searches on Vivisimo before it went live on slashdot and I must say I'm impressed. It addresses one of the main faults of search technology today: context. When you perform a search a tree is shown showing the different contexts (not categories) where the terms were found. Excellent for ambiguous concepts.

    But, and here is the beef, it should be obvious to anyone that there must be a interface change in the short term future of search. A textbox is a very limited input to express a complex search. Using regexps and regexp-like operators is not enough. This Vivisimo is a step in the right direction, but there's a lot of way to go through.

    For example try to make this search using any engine (Vivisimo, Google, Yahoo, Altavista, etc): who was the red-haired singer that recorded a song with Tom Morello a few years back?. At least I can't find an answer because one of the main aspects I'm using (the red hair) maybe is not as important as other aspects used to describe the situation by anyone else.

    There must be a interface revolution in the years to come. Come to think of it, are we still using a textfield to express every possible combination in a google search? Gross!!!

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  9. Filtering e-stores by vurg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice if there is a feature that filters e-store entries. For example, I was looking for a solution to my Logitech RumblePad left analog stick problem. And no matter how refined my search is, I still get thousands of pages to stores selling that gamepad. I don't want to buy a gamepad. But I guess search engines and e-commerce would never be separated. Sadly this is how the Internet works now.

  10. What I want... by K'tohg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would prefer as an alternative to regexp (since that obviously would be way too much power and too many exploits) is simple logic operators.

    Most search engines now have AND and OR but none have nested logic or short hand

    for example I would love to do this in google: (linux && modems) || ("AT commands" && !windows)

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