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Windows XP SP2 Beta Reviewed

worm eater writes "Ars Technica has a characteristically thorough review of Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta, with plenty of screen shots. In a nutshell, it's all about security fixes, including a seriously beefed up firewall. The final release is expected this summer." The review concludes: "Overall, Microsoft has made a step in the right direction with this service pack. The increased focus on security will be good not only for the average user who does not spend much time thinking about security her system, but also for 'power users' and those who work supporting end users."

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  1. Wow, finally.. by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Informative

    popup blocker in IE. Finally!
    It ASKS YOU before installing random crap in the background and at least notes that "Some software could be harmful"

    Good. Step in the right direction. :D

    1. Re:Wow, finally.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      It appears that it'll be just like the 3rd party popup blockers where you have to train it on what to block and what not to block.
      The pop-up dialog box says "You have blocked all websites from displaying pop-up windows". It seems similar to Mozilla, including a whitelist functionality to allow certain pop-ups in.
    2. Re:Wow, finally.. by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Informative

      When the user clicks a popup link. I think it's still possible to have a link that pops up an ad before sending someone to the page related to the link, but popups not in direct response to a click are blocked, like when entering or leaving a page.

  2. download by allcam · · Score: 1, Informative

    Is this available for download now? where?

    1. Re:download by Lukey+Boy · · Score: 4, Informative

      No; from what I know it's available to MSDN Universal subscribers and BetaPlace members.

    2. Re:download by greygent · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Longhorn preview is available for download from the MSDN site. You also might be able to order a CD, although its really not worth the effort at this point.

      The preview build is slow, buggy, and doesn't have enough new features yet to be interesting for more than 10 minutes.

  3. the nicest feature by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Informative

    the "never install software from..." button.

    Microsoft must be trying to bankrupt Gator / GAIN / THAT COMPANY THAT MAKES a product remarkably simliar to SPYWARE. They'll be filing for name changes once a week now.

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    1. Re:the nicest feature by dzym · · Score: 2, Informative

      They'll have to buy a new certificate once a week then, afaict. Just remember that every time you have to click "never trust" they will have spent another $150+.

  4. The patch for XP is 2003 Server... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been running 2003 as a desktop for a couple of weeks now. Haven't found one thing that ran on XP that couldn't be made to run on 2003. Everything is locked down until expressly opened. All the eye candy and useless dross from XP is turned off or MIA. Seems much peppier as a desktop and webserver than XP or even 2000. IIS 6 almost (almost) makes you forget all the crap MS released in the past.

    1. Re:The patch for XP is 2003 Server... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Although I'm not sure if Windows Server 2003 is decent at running DOS apps, it does leave out some that were included from Windows XP, including edit and edlin. Which kind of sucks, a console text editor is a cool thing to have. Guess I'll have to install Vim to get work done.

  5. Security features by n0nsensical · · Score: 5, Informative

    Found this article from Microsoft, might be of interest to some, "This document contains preliminary information about the security technologies in Windows XP SP2."
    Windows XP Service Pack 2: A Developer's View

  6. Re:A review of a service pack by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Again, apples and oranges. Decimal updates of OS X are more than just security updates. You can't compare them to a windows service pack. And yes, Apple does release free security updates too.

  7. Re:Mostly security fixes? Then why 200+ MB?! by riscthis · · Score: 5, Informative
    From Windows XP Service Pack 2: A Developer's View on MSDN:

    "...core Windows components are being recompiled with the most recent version of our compiler technology to help mitigate against buffer overruns."
    So it's large because most of the binaries have been recompiled, even ones where the code hasn't changed.

    However, the main thing that drew my attention was this, which Ars Technica only briefly mentioned:
    Additionally, Microsoft is working with microprocessor companies to help Windows support hardware-enforced "no execute" (or NX) on microprocessors that contain the feature. NX uses the CPU itself to enforce the separation of application code and data, preventing an application or Windows component from executing program code that an attacking worm or virus inserted into a portion of memory marked for data only."
    (lots more detail on the MSDN link)
  8. Re:Internet Explorer.. CSS compatibility updated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the CSS isn't fixed, so it's still 1998 for 95% of the web browsing world.

    It's pretty perverse that IE6 for Windows in 2004 doesn't even support CSS as well as IE for the Mac did in 2000. They can't even compete with their own abandonware!

  9. Re:A review of a service pack by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 5, Informative

    It let me know a pop-up blocker was on the way (I was SO going to get Earthlink :), it let me know Outlook will be better in keeping viruses in check, and finally a firewall that will help keep viruses and spyware from running on my computer.

    Cause you had no browsers with native pop-up blocking,,No virus-free mail clients,, and no free anti-virus for XP before now
    please...

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  10. Re:Internet Explorer.. CSS compatibility updated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Same rendering engine (i.e. dll) so no, no PNG goodness, no CSS2 that doesn't make you want to beat your head in, and no fix to 2 pixel differences in margin rendering and table artifacts from hell.

  11. Re:iTunes firewall exception question by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, another screenshot shows a dialogue with the system asking you if you want to allow UT2k3 to connect to/receive conenctions from the net.

    I'd assume, therefore, that it works like any other software firewall I've used - the default is to ask the user on first connection attempt, and subsequently, until they tell you to always do X.

  12. Re:A review of a service pack by Trejkaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...a firewall that will help keep viruses and spyware from running on my computer.

    Not really... rather depends how the spyware runs. If it runs from inside Outlook itself, and Outlook is permitted to access the internet, then you're screwed. Likewise for any other program which is extensible.

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  13. Re:'power users' ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Pfffttt! You already have the tools without cygwin.
    cd "my music"
    dir /s /a:d /b | findstr ".*\\.*\\.*" | sort > %temp%\postforbrag
  14. Re:A review of a service pack by jtcm · · Score: 1, Informative
    3. THIS IS NOT WHAT A FIREWALL DOES. If you think a firewall blocks spyware, then you are flat out wrong, and misinformed on the concept of a firewall.

    My firewall blocks spyware and trojans. Traditional (think corporate) firewalls may not block spyware and trojans, but recent years have seen the development of the "personal" firewall. Every time any executable tries to access the network or the internet, my personal firewall pops-up a box telling me the details of the connection, and asking if I want to allow it. The same is true of incoming connections...and listening sockets, for that matter. A hash check upon execution of an allowed executable prevents a trojan or virus from altering a file unnoticed. No network traffic on my pc goes unmonitored.

    The relatively recent windows worm that exploited RPC was blocked by my personal firewall because it needed me to explicitly allow the connection to occur. Even if I had become infected, I would have then needed to allow the worm to connect to other computers if I was to be contagious.

    I use the free(!) Sygate Personal Firewall, and I highly reccomend it.

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  15. Re:A review of a service pack by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Outlook will keep virus'es in check eh? How, by doing what every other email client does, and not auto opening attachments as a default mode of operation?

    Outlook as never automatically opened attachments as a default mode of operation. Heck, it's never even had "Open Attachment" as the default option when users try to open an attachment. Apart from software bugs, it's always required the user to a) deliberately try to open the attachment and b) manually change the default action from "Save" to "Open".

  16. Re:Windows still a single-user OS. by rabtech · · Score: 3, Informative

    Did you troll on purpose or what?

    Windows XP is based on the NT kernel and is a direct descendant of Windows 2000, itself a descendant of NT 4/3.

    All of the above mentioned operating systems are true securable multiuser systems.

    Microsoft hides and softens the details in Windows XP Home edition, but that changes nothing. On an XP pro workstation, create users and assign them permissions and group membership as you desire, including full DACL support on both the registry and filesystem.

    tl;dr: think & know before you open your mouth.

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  17. Re:What's really funny is... by antiMStroll · · Score: 3, Informative

    "After all, if their operating systems are actually just as or more secure, proponents of alternative operating systems can no longer use that as ammunition, can they?"

    If by some folks you mean 5%, granted. Most people are just cynical from the years of constant promises and security FUD from MS, the real reason they're happy to see them take a shot in the chones evry once in a while. But maybe this linux user's just torqued from spending a quarter his xmas vacation helping XP users clean the redirectors and spyware from their machines.

  18. Re:Detect & Disable Illegal License Keys? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative
    All they did was some additional validation, and blocking of known-bad keys. I'm sure they'll do it again. For example, you can expect all the keys in the sp1crack.exe program to be blacklisted.

    Of course, someone will come up with another set of keys, and it will start all over again. Just don't plan to install sp2 for some time, if you haven't paid for the software.

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