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Windows XP SP2 Beta Reviewed

worm eater writes "Ars Technica has a characteristically thorough review of Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta, with plenty of screen shots. In a nutshell, it's all about security fixes, including a seriously beefed up firewall. The final release is expected this summer." The review concludes: "Overall, Microsoft has made a step in the right direction with this service pack. The increased focus on security will be good not only for the average user who does not spend much time thinking about security her system, but also for 'power users' and those who work supporting end users."

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  1. iTunes firewall exception question by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does it default allowed or denied? The screenshot shows it checked (allowed) but did it come that way?

  2. Too late for some by BWJones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Overall, Microsoft has made a step in the right direction with this service pack. The increased focus on security will be good not only for the average user who does not spend much time thinking about security her system, but also for 'power users' and those who work supporting end users."

    We still have a couple of W2k and XP boxes that we'll probably keep, but the damage over the past couple of years with poor security has been done. We have been migrating many of our Wintel systems to OS X for a whole variety of reasons. I really hope that this service pack works as advertised as I still own some Microsoft stock, but I am afraid that Microsoft needs to completely re-engineer the OS like they are doing with Longhorn to resolve the security problems with Windows. Unfortunately that will be in what....2006?

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  3. Don't combine bug fixes with new features! by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, but it is not good to combine bug fixes with new features! Also, we need those bug fixes now! There are hundreds of them.

  4. New "features" by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldn't these features have been part of XP from the beginning though? That's like saying the brakes on my Ford are a new "feature". I suppose......

    All-in-all a good review. I wonder if this will raise any new "monopoly" charges though with everyone from Norton Internet Security to Pop-up blocker companies' business going down the drain - virtually overnight.

    1. Re:New "features" by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Shouldn't these features have been part of XP from the beginning though? That's like saying the brakes on my Ford are a new "feature". I suppose......

      Oh dear gawd. Wait a minute...people complain because they include a free web-browser and it goes to court.

      Now they add more bundled software, and a highly modded user pipes up "should have been there from the begining"? Jesus. Which is it then?

      I wonder if this will raise any new "monopoly" charges though with everyone from Norton Internet Security to Pop-up blocker companies' business going down the drain - virtually overnight.

      My point exactly. They just can't win, can they?

  5. The new Internet Connection Firewall... by xSquaredAdmin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work in tech support for an ISP, and quite a few calls come in where the ICF is blocking DHCP, DNS, HTTP, or SMTP requests. Does this mean that we will stop having calls about this? I doubt it, because most of the users will just assume that if they hit the 'Close' button in the alert about the app, it will be allowed automatically. Also, I'm sure that most users won't be able to figure out the 'Configure' dialog box that is there.

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  6. Oh NOS!!!1111 by t0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Could this be the end of Slashdot's complaining regarding Windows XP?

    Nah. There is always SOMETHING to complain about!

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  7. Re:'power users' ? by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "power users', 'Windows'... in the same sentance.. what are you smoking?"

    I use Windows XP on my laptop at home. I use Windows 2000 on my desktop at work. I also use FreeBSD, Knoppix, and have toyed here and there with a couple dozen other non-windows OSs. I am a 'power user' who also uses Windows. Believe it or not, we really do exist.

    In the same token, there are plenty of completely and totally clueless users of Linux. I'm not talking about the annoying kiddies babbling on message boards; I'm talking about people who actually refer to their computer as a "hard drive" or a "modem". You'll often find these types sitting on Mandrake or Red Hat boxes, not to disparage either distro, nor their users.

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  8. Re:A review of a service pack by Metaldsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "A review of a service pack? What's next, A screenshot of RTPatch? I can see it now...

    "Here we see the patch process at 37% complete. Note that the progress bar is roughly one third filled in with a nice blue color."

    Please!!"

    I laughed at this post until I RTFA.
    The article was nice and informative. It let me know a pop-up blocker was on the way (I was SO going to get Earthlink :), it let me know Outlook will be better in keeping viruses in check, and finally a firewall that will help keep viruses and spyware from running on my computer.

    I suggest any Win XP user to read it as it will tell what you can configure when this comes out.

  9. Inexperience of posters on here with XP. by kiwioddBall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of people on here give XP a bad name.

    Over 40% of the computer users in the world use XP, and most have no trouble with Blaster or random spywares, or indeed security hacks.

    There are a lot of posters in here who claim to have had so many problems with XP. Obviously then it is a lack of knowledge and experience on your part. Just because you can't get it going well doesn't mean it is a problem with the OS. Lots of Joe Home Users are very happy with it. I am a very happy XP user, and have absolutely none of the problems that are bleated on about here. Turn into real users.

    Not affiliated with Microsoft at all!! No doubt I will be called a troll by the Linux zealots in here!

    1. Re:Inexperience of posters on here with XP. by gid13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a reasonably happy user of XP (also Vectorlinux and Gentoo in case anyone cares), but I still disagree with pretty much all of what you have to say.

      You claim that most users have no trouble with Blaster, spyware, and security. Frankly, most users haven't got the foggiest idea when their PC gets spyware. They tend to get lots of crap clogging their system tray and system resources, partly because they don't know any better, and partly because Windows does a very poor job of preventing such things.

      In fact, I would claim that the users with the lack of knowledge and experience are generally the ones with the least complaints, because they haven't even figured out that they HAVE spyware.

      Also, if people are forced to "turn into real users" in order to have a properly working XP, they (we) might as well learn to muck about with the nasty config files and command lines of Linux and get better native security for less cost.

    2. Re:Inexperience of posters on here with XP. by Shanep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a lot of posters in here who claim to have had so many problems with XP. Obviously then it is a lack of knowledge and experience on your part. Just because you can't get it going well doesn't mean it is a problem with the OS. Lots of Joe Home Users are very happy with it. I am a very happy XP user, and have absolutely none of the problems that are bleated on about here. Turn into real users.

      Windows XP is marketed to the average Joe, who will not fit your definition of "real users". When these average Joes connect to the internet with XP's out of the box settings, they get worms, viruses, spyware, etc.

      XP can be hardened, but not with the knowledge of the users which it is marketed for.

      I agree with one of the other posters, when he says the Joe average users who are happy with XP are actually oblivious to the reality that their PC is actually on a rampage infecting other peoples computers, sending SPAM and their credit card information. So many times I have visited client sites, only to find they have spyware, etc. And don't blame me for these problems, my introduction to these people is usually due to them having security problems in the first place.

      I come home to my mostly OpenBSD network (plus some hardened Wintel) and relax. But then, I'm not your Joe average XP user.

      I do hope XP SP2 helps and XP/Win2k are certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the Win9x abominations. But please don't try to claim that XP is great and the ignorant users are to blame. Microsoft claims to provide a stable, secure product for the World at large? Then this is a lie.

      Apple's Mac OSX is much closer to delivering that claim.

      BTW, relying on automatic updates is a dangerous game. Does XP use crypto and authentication by default for automatic updates? I would hope so. Sometimes patches are retracted, because they cause more grief than they solve. I call that a lottery. I prefer to firewall then wait before deploying patches, where ever possible.

      PS, I'll leave you with this... do you run a firewall? Do you ever watch the logs? I'm running an OpenBSD pf firewall for my home network and I tell you, watching the attempts at typical Microsoft ports coming thick and fast is scary. If you don't, I suggest you do and then come back here and tell us that "most [XP users] have no trouble with Blaster or random spywares, or indeed security hacks".

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  10. Re:if it ain't broke . . . by DrZaius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sweeping generalizations like this are bad. You shouldn't say "Never update your windows system," you should say "Only update it when the problem affects you," or "Only update after you've thoroughly tested the patch." Both of these use common sense. Never patching is not.

    SP2 is probably going to break a lot of software. Especially the kind that is built with bad assumptions (pinging hosts, expected levels of access etc). Am I going to deploy it day 1? No. Am I going to what a month and see what everyone else says, then install it on a small test group? Yes.

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  11. Re:if it ain't broke . . . by taernim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then you're part of the problem, not the solution.

    When people get advice like that, they then blame Microsoft for "putting out a bad operating system" and causing all the problems like Blaster, Code Red, etc.

    In actuality, many (I'm not saying all) of the problems had been patched months and months before... but people refused to patch, either out of fear or ignorance.

    So by proudly flaunting your advice of "never updating"... you are admitting to cause more problems than you're fixing. If ever there were a time to be an AC, your comment would have been one.

    Advocating ignorance is not something to be proud of.

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  12. Re:Why no rendering engine updates to IE? by Alan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But of course at about 95% of the global browser market share Microsoft see no need to improve that vital component of the browser."

    That's exactly it. As scoble is constantly pointing out, changing one line in IE is a huge thing, affects thousands of users, hundreds of languages, blah blah blah. Why put all those man hours into updating and testing when you can do nothing and still keep your monopoly position?

  13. Pop-up Blocker by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It let me know a pop-up blocker was on the way (I was SO going to get Earthlink :),

    You of course realize that pop-up blocking becoming mainstream will just push sites and advertisers into another, equally or more annoying method of pushing unwanted crap in your face before you can get to the content you want.

    I can just see it, you must view the ad for 15 seconds before you can load the next page and there's no getting around it, unless you want to spend your life picking apart javascript or whatever for code to load the next page.

    What you got today is an annoyance, what you might have tomorrow is a headache. Time to get back to lynx.

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  14. Re:Internet Explorer.. CSS compatibility updated? by faust2097 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's all well and good for a personal site or an informational one but for businesses people depend on the quality and consistency of the design as one of their internal metrics for how trustworthy a company is.

    It doesn't matter much at this point, the damage has been done and it'll take years to undo, even if this service pack had fixed it.

  15. Re:Wow, finally.. by MP3Chuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And proper PNG transparency support for that matter...

  16. Re:A review of a service pack by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the free anti-virus you're using is AVG, you're asking for trouble.

    I don't know, maybe Grisoft's retail version may be good, but about a year ago I downloaded about a dozen viruses just to see how well the free AVG Antivirus version, McAfee, & Norton detect them. Although far from an exaustive test, AVG missed about a third of the viruses, but Mcafee & Norton caught every one.

    Free is good, but sometimes you do get what you pay for.

  17. Answer: Money by jbs0902 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Open Source community (in general) doesn't have the money to pay:
    • $10k per application in attorney fees plus;
    • the USPTO fee to file a patent application;
    • ... and then you have fees for each country you want to foreign file in;
      • (e.g. Agency fees, plus translation, plus attorney fees) ...
    • plus you have fees for every time the various Patent Offices rejects the application and the attorney has to respond to that (should be about 2-4 times, plus any continuation or appeal fees);
    • an issuance fee once the patent is allowed and issues;
    • and finally you have maintenance fees on your issued patents.

    And you need a few million dollars to litigate the patent. Of course, some attorneys may be willing to do it on a contingency basis.

    There is a reason patents are referred to as the "legal sport of kings."

    When I (and most Open Source writers) write something Open Source (granted my stuff is rinky-dinky) I just write it in my spare time with no desire or capability to invest money into it. I just can't afford to patent things on my own. That is why most patents are assigned to a major company. You need money to get patents.

    I don't know what the financial situation is for the major projects (Linux kernel, Mozilla, KDE, etc.) but they'd have to make a serious commitment of money and time (as it takes ~5yrs to get a software patent now a days) to get patents. Until recently, the majority of MSFT's patent portfolio was in keyboards and mice! It wasn't until they got scared with the recent patent attacks against them that they started to build their software portfolio.

    Another small problem for the Open Source community is that many countries bar you from getting a patent if you have published the idea before filing the application. Given the open nature of Open Source, you might run into a statutory bar on your patent if you put the code in CVS before you file the application.

    And as a side issue...
    A good example would be the pop up blocker (It probably isn't patentable from proir-art but for argument sake).


    A good patent attorney should be able to find a way to patent MSFT's implementation of the pop-up blocker. It'll be a narrow damn near worthless patent I'll grant you, but it can be done.