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NetBSD Packages Collection Gets 'pkgviews'
jschauma writes "NetBSD's Packages Collection aka
pkgsrc now has support for an experimental new framework called ``pkgviews''.
This framework, finally allowing multiple versions of one package to co-exist
without conflicts (among other great features), was first proposed by Alistair
Crooks at EuroBSDCon
2002 and has been integrated into pkgsrc by Johnny C. Lam, who just posted
a User's
guide to the tech-pkg MailingList."
mv bsd /dev/null
you do realize that by doing this bsd only gets bigger and bigger.
- Obsolete packages (yes, even in unstable)
- Crappy hardware support
- Old kernel
- Hard to installL
- Hard to install
- Hard to install
Lets compare this to a decent distributions such as Mandrake.Upto date packages
Good hardware support
New kernel
Easy to install
Great community
No annoying domain hijacking zealots
Proudly gets the -1, flamebait for being so much better than Crapian
Yes, this is offtopic (on a BSD), flamebait (Debian zealots get more mod points, "Waah, I don't like the truth"), and maybe even troll (because of goatse). But DEBIAN SUCKS and it has to be said. If you are a BSD user moderate this up, if any OS is dying, its DEBIAN, not BSD.
All the *BSD is dying posts are contained in this one post to spare the BSD section of the heavy trolling. If I've missed any, please add your troll as a reply and I'll include it in the next Troll-in-one. Keep your flames to yourself -- I already know you have a distorted psychological need to imagine BSD as dying because it only helps to relieve the cognitive dissonance you are currently experiencing with Linux. In reality, though, it only shows a deep-seated jealousy towards BSD, which you'll go to any lengths to deny.
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The *BSD Wailing Song
What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
In the end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain
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pressed to bsd lips
bsd drink up
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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.
BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
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It is common knowledge that *BSD is dying. Almost everyone knows that ever hapless *BSD is mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of BSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 =
Let's put all the immaturity aside for a moment... Seriously! No *BSD sucks cause we feel inferior, insecure or just hate anything non-Linux cause it's a "cool" thing for Linux kids to say these days...
What I'd personally love to see is a BSD distro (yes, think in Linux terms, but without the Linux fragmentation and non-standardization) using the Linux kernel for it's features/bloat. I don't know if such a thing is possible and of course that would take a lot of cleaning in the Linux kernel, but it would be nice to have just the same.
Regardless of what they call the Linux stable kernel series, with "(EXPERIMENTAL) and (NEW)" in the kernel making it a test bed for production use, hence an unstable kernel but with the name stable. I think EXPERIMENTAL should be left to the 2.5.x series only - NOT 2.4.x / 2.6.x!
It would make a great system. Features up the yin yang from Linux, hardware support up the ying yang, even while some things are "experimental" but with the "standardness" of *BSD. What would be even better is if the BSD crew would actually take the time to correct all the Linux flaws and develop it properly for such a system, as should be done now but not the case.
I know that would take a long time, but not too long seeing as Linux is ONLY a kernel and not an OS such as the *BSD's are.
Sure, it would make it a GNU/GPL system with a restrictive license such as the GPL "forcing" it's developers and others to ALWAYS release the source to their products for competitors to take over, but hey, it would make a great desktop platform as Linux is meant to be!
So what if it's GPL and competitors have the rights to the source to put those other business out of business, that's what the GPL is all about!
It's no wonder LinkSys didn't want to release the GPL'd source. They were too ignorant to see the flaws of GPL and business. It's a non-business friendly license but great for companies such as RH (M$ of Linux) to laugh all the way to the bank.
But hey, we all hate M$, even though RH is M$ in the Linux world. We're just too stupid to see this.
M$ funds money to research and what not. RH funds money to, ummm, making more money off of the Linux kernel.
Think the reverse of the Debian/NetBSD system which I think was/is a waste of time. Had they only thought in reverse, in the more logical sense, something good would have come out of it.
Now if only Linux could become non-fragmented (288 distro's last I checked 2 yrs ago) and get a proper development model such as the *BSD's then standardize such as the *BSD's, not to mention following more industry standards such as NAT (Network Address Translation) rather than IP Masq.
Oh, and I think another good thing for Linux's poor development model would be following *BSD's development model where not everyone's mom, dog, grandmother and friends alike can throw in their code to Linux.
-- I'm just another Linux user with my eyes on the BSD's lately. I've tried all three and I'm pretty amazed at the standardization, corectness and very clean code that would make any CS instructor proud!
Holly shit, what a loser reply to that guy's post. Who needs you using Linux with us, go back to Windows you faggot!
The driver of the bus was negotiating a bend in the road when he lost control of the vehicle which skidded and crashed into a gorge, nearly 200 feet below. Residents of nearby villages and authorities found 22 bodies. NetBSD was among the dead. The corpse has gone unclaimed, leading to speculation that BSD was indeed an orphan. Calls to former spouse Wind River went unreturned.
fuck you, asswipe. you got nothing better to do than sit in front of your computer and write these stupid fucking trolls.
I say this, fuck ALL THE TROLLS.
I you can't beat them, join them.