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Investigating Online Movie Piracy?

kewsh writes "There's an excellent piece from the LA Times via Yahoo! News which explains the interworkings of the movie, music, and software piracy scene, including quotes from former and current scene members: 'Common to most groups is a disdain for selling pirated goods in favor of giving free access to anything and everything'." The article also notes: "Not everyone in the scene is so pure. Some players... are suspected of selling pirated movies and music to commercial bootleggers."

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  1. Re:Bootleggers are paying? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bootleggers (ie, the people who make and selling lots of unauthorised copies of movies) are paying "the players" (ie, people in the movie industry who can get their hands on screeners and other preview copies) for preview copies of movies.

    In other words, some of the people who are opening the door to the bootleggers (or pirates) are charging them for the priviledge.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  2. Piracy is competition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've got Star Wars Ep. 4-6 as theatrical release ripped from Laserdisc in the best possible DiVX quality.

    It's not my fault that I had to get a pirated version.
    George Lucas with that "CG" labeled crackpipe in his hand is to blame.

    Another point of disgust is MiramAXE with their sabotage of asian cinema. Has "Hero" (Jet Li) been released in the US already? I don't think so. MiramAXE likes to shelf things for a long time. After that they like to AXE movies into little ugly pieces, too.

    Piracy is competition and the only chance to stop this re-release and censorship nightmare.

    People who hate cinema may mod this down.

    1. Re:Piracy is competition! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong. Piracy happens because:

      a) People want something for nothing.
      b) People want something before it's officially made available.
      c) People want to impress other people with something they have but the other's don't.

      It's nothing to do with competition - just the opposite. Every audio CD, piece of software or DVD that is released these days is done so at a price that *takes into account* the fact that "x" number of copies of it will probably be pirated - that means we all pay more as a result.

      Competition results from not being a pathetic consumer, nothing more.

      If you don't like CD protection, then don't buy protected CDs...
      If you think a retailer charges too much for a product, don't buy from them...
      If a movie isn't released on DVD quick enough, email the studio and don't buy any of their other films...
      If enough people do the above, the vendor or producer has to relent.

      I'm neither condoning or criticising piracy - I just wish people that do it would admit they do it for one of the reasons above, rather than trying to justify it as though they are acting as modern day "Robin Hoods".

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      Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
    2. Re:Piracy is competition! by animaal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Every audio CD, piece of software or DVD that is released these days is done so at a price that *takes into account* the fact that "x" number of copies of it will probably be pirated"

      No, every such such product is priced according to the maximum that the market will bear. Hence region lockouts on DVDs, with vastly different prices in different regions. Consider; if, in Bangkok, 90% of copies of a particular CD are pirated, that does not lead the local CD distributor there to increase the price of CDs. In anything, it may lead to lower prices, because the market will not bear an inflated price.

      Piracy has mixed effects. On the one hand, it helps to keep the movie/music/software industries on their toes, making sure that the consumer gets value for money, and that the product purchased is worth more to the consumer than a copy. (e.g. the recent trends to add more "extras" to movies/cds).

      However, on the other hand, it has a negative effect on the marketplace for the industries. This can (probably does) lead to some problems. e.g. some smaller production companies closing due to lack of sales. For example, imagine a small software house producing an innovative new software package, but then closing due to lack of sales. The package is now not going to be developed any more, even though there maybe many users (some using illegal copies). So piracy can cause the consumer to lose as well.

      I think the current system is probably self-sustaining, with a degree of piracy keeping industry from degrading value-for-money too much, and the laws keeping piracy from wiping out the industries. Piracy and the industry keep eachother in check. I suppose it's a bit like walking a tightrope...

  3. Re:ROFL by gringer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try reading the *whole* article before commenting on parts of it:

    "According to Nguyen, it takes minutes for a newly released item to reach all of the topsites, but it may take hours or days to reach the lower echelon of private sites. After that, the digital booty leaks out intermittently to online areas more accessible to the public, such as chat channels and news groups.

    To get the movies, you just need to wait. But to get the movies as early as possible, you need to know the right people.

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    Ask me about repetitive DNA
  4. Re:ISP customer bandwidth... by BrookHarty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    10 mbits common place by 2007? say hello to zooming movie downloads :)

    Linux ISO's are so common at 2-5 disc sets, Why would 700 meg DIVX CD's be any different for downloading, now? You only rent a couple movies, you could just download a couple movies at night and burn them to CD.

    What we need is an iTunes for Divx movies. :)

  5. The more things change... by DJTodd242 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...the more they stay the same. I find it kind of funny that you can replace the word "Movie" with "Software" and voila! You have an article about the warez scene in the 80s.

    Granted, we didn't have FTP sites or Broadband. You young punks don't know how lucky you have it! Why, back in my day we had to courier stuff at 24oo baud! (Ranting fades...)

    Still, I miss those days. I'm glad I gave it up though. I'd hate to be caught now, in my 30s, and have my life ruined.

  6. These criminals have a weak spot! by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:
    Sometimes group members will send files to other sites themselves, using a technique called File Transfer Protocol instead of e-mail.
    Aha! Since this FTP thing is obviously a tool for criminal acts, all we have to do is to use the DMCA or the Patriot Act to declare it illegal. Once this is take care of by the responsible authorities, the Internet will once again be free of criminals, and a safe place where innovation can flourish.

    Bring out the stromtroopers!

    --
    Christian Engström, Former Member of the European Parliament 2009-2014 for The Pirate Party, Sweden
    1. Re:These criminals have a weak spot! by Hanno · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a sad actual quote from a German lawsuit where one judge used the following sentence in the official verdict:

      http://daufaq.de/index.php4?aktuellerubrik=Techn ik

      F: Was ist ein FTP-Server?

      A: Es antwortet LG Braunschweig, Urteil vom 21.7.2003 - 6 KLs 1/03, rechtskraeftig, CR 2003, 801: FTP-Server sind Systeme, in denen gecrackte, also nach Ueberwindung des Vervielfaeltigungsschutzes kopierte, Software geladen ist.

      Translation:

      Q: What is an FTP server

      A: As answered by the court of Braunschweig, in its decision from July 2003: FTP servers are systems used to store cracked software - software that has been copied after removing its copy protection.

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  7. Re:ROFL by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Informative
    But downloading a movie that's been taken by a shaky handed teenager with a hand camera in a cinema...

    In China you can buy DVDs of just about any movie within days of release in the US, or sometimes before. They all have very nice packages, probably pasted up from promo sites on the web. (However, the English text is often nonsensical, or relating to an entirely different movie. And sometimes they include real reviews from, eg, AICN, like "[Matrix 3] is a steaming pile of crap".) The quality of the movie though is a crapshoot. Sometimes it's a perfect dupe of a DVD release (especially Oscar screeners with the anti piracy notice floating across the bottom every 10 minutes), sometimes a slightly blurry image with good sound, not bad but a bit worse than VCR quality, sometimes it's obviously a video camera in a cinema complete with audience coughs and shadows on the screen. But as they're less than $1 you can just shrug and throw those away, or go back to the shop and exchange it -- it's actually a lot easier to exchange pirated goods than legit; less paperwork I suppose.

  8. Re:Bootleggers are paying? by MikeDX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is one of the things that really annoys and gets my goat every time I see it.

    People selling pirated movies and music at car boot sales, markets, roadsides, ebay, etc. This is totally wrong and I think is what the RIAA/MPAA should target and not joe bloggs downloading britney spears from kazaa.

    The people selling this stuff are not only tax dodgers, but are often taking the customers for a ride, some people often mistake these copies for the real thing and are buying in good faith, only to find out they have been ripped off by a shoddy inkjet printed jewelcase inner and an un-stickered cd-r costing next to nothing.

    What irritates me further, is that some people are also under the impression that those who do download for their own PERSONAL use are looked upon in the same league as those who download, copy, and sell to people for huge profits.