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Army Looks at Robotic Dogs

mr. squishie writes "Someone important must have gotten an Aibo...According to Wired news, the Army's Tank-automotive and Armaments Command has just awarded a $2.5 million contract to build a prototype of a large robot dog that would follow soldiers into battle and carry food, ammunition, and medical supplies. This is apparently part of a larger movement by various branches of the military investigating the uses of robots based on various types of wildlife, ranging from engine-repairing robot elephant trunks and mine-destroying robot lobsters to the cliched robot-fly-spy-on-the-wall trick. I wonder if they're looking into giant robot anteaters as an alternative to costly bunker-buster bombs?"

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  1. I would suspect a bunker buster... by Lester67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    would then be the cheap alternative.

  2. Why legs? by pubjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Legs aren't necessarily a great form of transport. The are slow and use lots of energy. Evolution never came up with the wheel, or tracks (like a tank) or rotating blades (like a helicopter). Why should a robotic "dog" be better than a tracked vehicle, for instance?

    Perhaps the real plan is to give them glowing red eyes and smoke coming out of their mouths, to scare the opposition. Now that would we worth doing...

    1. Re:Why legs? by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Evolution never came up with the wheel, or tracks (like a tank) or rotating blades (like a helicopter).


      Some bacteria do have propeller-like rotating spikes. The reason why there are no wheels in larger animals is because of the problem in feeding the wheels. How would a rotary joint carry blood across? Indeed, I think you are right, if Nature had evolved wheels, many animals would have tracks instead of legs.

  3. Re:Taliban does this already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The reliability of mules can be debated by those who have actually owned a mule. The expense of keeping them in hay and oats in the desert, however, is not insignificant, while electricity is bountiful is a mechanized unit.
    The U.S. Army phased out the use of mules in the last century when they found they talked too much.

  4. Re:Taliban does this already! by Stultsinator · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah, this is modded as "funny", but it's a lot easier to find food for a mule than a robot. Plus, mules don't need as much specialized maintenance or support.

  5. Re:Mercantilism at its finest by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what exactly does any of that have to do with mercantilism? other than you using it as a slur, that is.

  6. Re:Mercantilism at its finest by ThosLives · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You're right. There is no reason to allow more of our "hard earned" cash to go to the current government. Simply establish a new political party, convice lots of people to give you money and elect someone from your party, then change things.

    I can't say that you will be successful, but this is an option for you to try.

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  7. Re:Mercantilism at its finest by Telcontar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep in mind that this is just a casy study, where a prototype is built. The goal is to check whether such a technology is feasible, and robust enough to be used in a battlefield.

    I find $2.25 million to be quite a reasonable amount for this, even if the result turns out to be that such a robot cannot be built in the next ten years, because stronger materials, more powerful actuators, longer-lasting batteries etc. are needed.

  8. Re:Lead or follow? by RevMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I were a soldier, the first thing I'd do is reprogram my dog to walk ahead of me, not behind me. Let it step on the landmines, absorb enemy fire, etc.

    Oh wait, this robot is worth $2.5m, eh? Ah, now I understand why the soldier is in front.

    Like most things in life, reality is more complex.

    First, the $2.5m is to develop the dog. The actually cost of manufacturing one will likely be quite a bit less.

    Second, if you sent the dog ahead, you probably sacrifice many of the advantages that you can bring to the battle - reducing your safety i the long run. for instance, an enemy spotting the dog could take a reasonable guess at your position and fire upon you with mortars before you have the opportunity to spot the enemy, evaluate their strength and position, and form a plan to engage. You've given up tactical initiative.

  9. Why not just use a real dog? by Theatetus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have and do use war dogs. The Marine kennels are in North Carolina and Virginia and the Army kennels are, I believe, in Oklahoma. In addition, MPs have canine squads just like civilian cops and many of these squads have war dog training in addition to police dog training.

    They're useful for sniffing out booby traps and ambushes. There are a couple of problems, though:

    • Training a dog is by no means cheap or easy (all told, hundreds of thousands of dollars). Robots would be cheaper once they get in production.
    • No matter how well trained, dogs have common sense and feel fear. Robots wouldn't unless we programmed them to.
    • Dogs die. Their handlers have trained with them for months or years. Losing a dog is *very* hard on the handler. Robots would not be so hard to lose.
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  10. Rat Thing by depricatedFoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Unit 247 wakes up. He is excited. Others are barking. Someone is trying to hurt a nice girl. This makes him angry."

    Just how far away from Stephenson's Rat Thing are we?

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  11. Predecessor to Aibo by userloser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    K9 from Doctor Who! Yeah!

  12. Re:Makes sense. by CommieLib · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You mean the fellow who turned down person the year from Time so that it could go to the "American Soldier"?

    Looks to me like you're not fit to carry his jockstrap, boyo.

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  13. Re:Mercantilism at its finest by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try looking up the meaning of mercantilism, although you are probaly too dumb to understand:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mercant il ism&r=67

    Mercantilism is all about establishing colonies and vassal states to exploit raw materials and create markets while building industry at home.

    In case you haven't noticed, the US is doing the exact opposite since WW2.

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  14. Re:Taliban does this already! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Either someone in DoD needs some training in what animal does what job, or they think that there's PR points to be gained by calling it a 'dog'.

    The prototype is dog-sized. The company making it decided to name the project "big dog". Wired (in it's usual "hip, cool, rad" style of sloppy journalism) makes it sound like the Army asked specifically for "robot dogs", when all they really asked for was 4-legged transport prototypes. So blame the dog thing on Yobotics and Wired, not the DOD.

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  15. Re:Mercantilism at its finest by supersnail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another sad brainwashed libertarian.

    The entire computer industry is a product of government funding!

    Alan Turing's Betchly code buster was paid for by the British government.

    The various early US computers (ENIAC et all) were paid for by the US DoD.

    Modern large computer architecures were an offshoot of various government funded University projects (Notably the University of Manchesters various machines from the Marconi MARK 1 & UMIST machines).

    The original DARPA internet was funded by the US DoD.

    The WEB was invented at CERN ... an international project funded by various goverments .

    Just because governments are sometimes dumb it doesn't mean they are always dumb. And anyway capitalists are so much better at wasting money c.f. Enron et all

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  16. Re:Robust efficient legged vehicles by adrianbaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, yeah. I'm sure the ancient sages 4000 years ago were writing all about implosion-style devices made using man-made unstable heavy elements, fallout, ionising radiation, neutron pulses etc.

    If what you intended to say was "ancient Indian mythology talks about wars where lots of people can be killed at once" then I wish you'd stick to that. Unless they're describing the phenomena pretty accurately I suggest it's not the ancient sages that are describing nuclear war at all, but their present-day interpreters.

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  17. Re: Why not.. by Stargoat · · Score: 1, Insightful
    So the Army is working on electronic dogs to carry food, ammunition, and other supplies.

    IT'S CALLED A MULE YOU DUMBASSES!!! You've been using them for hundreds of years.

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  18. Re:The future of the military by burns210 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is, if the wars are to be fought by robots, then whose robots will ours fight? The US, for good or bad, is the world sole super power, and with our gigantic(*cringe*) military budget, we can build and develop these robots. But against who?

    For the forseeable future, it will be US robots bombing military installations, so that both sides will be avoiding a frontline war in the trenches.