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USAF Wants To Find Steganographic Content

Bud Higgins writes "The U.S. Air Force has posted a Small Business Technology Transfer Program (STTR) solicitation in which they seek proposals for the automated detection of steganographic content. They seek an application that should run both unobtrusively in the background and in a manual mode, and provide the user the capability to scan all email attachments, downloaded materials and accessed files with an appropriate steganalysis algorithm, reporting any abnormal results (i.e. the presence of steganography). I personally don't think that is feasible, but maybe a good programmer can prove me wrong. A link to the solicitation AF04-T008 can be found here. For those who are not familiar with the SBIR/STTR program, it provides up to $850k for 3 years of research." This sounds very similar to what Niels Provos did over a several-year period at University of Michigan's CITI and released under a free license. I hope the USAF doesn't spend too much of my money without considering extending that research.

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  1. Feasible? by jmv · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...reporting any abnormal results (i.e. the presence of steganography). I personally don't think that is feasible...

    I think it probably depends on where you hide the data. For instance, it's probably harder to hide data in the LSBs of an image than, e.g. a file that's supposed to be white noise ("Hey, my mic doesn't work, it only records noise. See for yourself"). Of course, the less data you encode, the harder it is to detect it.

    1. Re:Feasible? by RomulusNR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, sure, the "this is supposed to be random noise" trick will work about as long as the average spam-filter-avoidance trick lasts.

      "The enemy is sending out an abnormally large amount of random noise data. Must just be having microphone trouble. Nothing to see here."

      Roger that.

      No +1, cause I've been drinking...

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    2. Re:Feasible? by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't really need to send random noise though... small amounts of randomness (but large enough to hide data in) exist in bits of files that people send around... most notably sound, image, and movie files, which, lucky for us, are just the sort of files that strangers tend to pass around in abundance.

    3. Re:Feasible? by eguaj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why bother with cryptography/steganography/etc. when you can use slashdotography ?

      You simply post your message in clear form in the comments of a "highly trollistic" news, and your message will automatically become hidden and indetectable with all the noise surrounding it.

    4. Re:Feasible? by Grant_Watson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You simply post your message in clear form in the comments of a "highly trollistic" news, and your message will automatically become hidden and indetectable with all the noise surrounding it.

      But I want to be able to find the data afterward.

    5. Re:Feasible? by madpierre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, who needs encryption or steganography.

      How about hiding messages in good old *SPAM* how much noisier
      an environment could one want? Most people find it a pain. But ...

      For example. P - E - N - I - S ** EnLaRgeMeNt pIlz

      Could be instructions for a terrorist cell to take out a target.

      Thats one good reason for cracking down on this abomination IMHO so perhaps
      some good come from all this paranoia.

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  2. Hrm by Cave+Dweller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those of you paranoid enough will probably chime in with something along the lines of "Yeah, but Echelon probably has something like this built-in already!". Anyway, isn't the point of steganography to hide information in such a way that you *cannot reliably* tell whether the information was there in the first place?

    I'm not sure what they're looking for here; perhaps a better steganography algorithm?

    1. Re:Hrm by johannesg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They might be looking for an algorithm that establishes just how random the "random bits" of a file are. For example, you would expect the least significant bits in a jpeg to be more or less random - any degree of organisation there could be a hidden text or something else.

      I would expect such an argument to have specific knowledge of various file formats, since randomness in a jpeg is not quite the same as randomness in for example a .EXE file.

      I would further expect that my approach would be soundly defeated by first encrypting the information to be hidden, since encrypted data looks a lot more random than normal data anyway.

      Personally I doubt it can be done. You might be able to defeat specific steganographic algorithms, but the general case cannot be solved. It would be a bit like having a universal decryption algorithm...

    2. Re:Hrm by Ugmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would further expect that my approach would be soundly defeated by first encrypting the information to be hidden, since encrypted data looks a lot more random than normal data anyway.

      It would still be somewhat valuable to know that encrypted messages were being sent even if you do not know what the content is. If you know bad guy #1 is posting some steg encoded pictures on his porn site and bad guy #2 visits it on a regular basis (along with 1000's of other non-bad guys) you could at least get a clue that something is up if bad guy#1 changes the frequency or number of his updates. In short, traffic analysis.

      If you cannot detect any kind of steg whatsoever, you can't even get this info.

    3. Re:Hrm by starm_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually this is not a good method. The least significant bit of text is not less random than images. It is often even more random.

      I have read a paper on this and they used the opposite method than what you propose. They assumed images have sections which are not very random. (most images contains some areas with uniform color) If the least significant byte of an image is very random compared to the other bytes it can indicate steganography.

      Of course you have to ajust the thresholds to account fo the differecence in randomness due to the different image compression algorithms.

      Also you get a lot of false positive if the image has been taken with a inexpensive digital cameras. These cameras will put some noise in the whole image which makes it look like there migh be a message in there.

      anyways this technique can filter out a bunch of images (something like 50%) that you can be pretty sure contains no steganogrphy. But the other 50% I don't know how you would find out.

      The task is very hard when the hidden text has been encripted prior to encoding in the image, so you can't look for patters inherent in text.

    4. Re:Hrm by gumpish · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would be a bit like having a universal decryption algorithm...

      No sweat. Didn't you see Sneakers?
    5. Re:Hrm by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For example, you would expect the least significant bits in a jpeg to be more or less random - any degree of organisation there could be a hidden text or something else.

      Actually, I would expect relatively little randomness in a compressed image, because removal of randomness (along with redundancy) is what compression is all about. And since well-encrypted data should appear random, you'd get further by testing for bits that are too random, rather than for hidden structure.

    6. Re:Hrm by Doomdark · · Score: 2, Interesting
      But you can't detect steg with encrypted messages, because the encrypted messages seem as random as the normal data, so there's nothing to clue you into the fact that it means anything.

      I'm not steg expert, but saying "as random as normal data" isn't of much help -- normal data is NOT random, statistically speaking. One of clues is that random data has highest theoretical amount of information that is, can not be compressed (as there's no redundancy to compress); thus, anything that compresses using some algorithm is somewhat non-random (non-uniformly distributed values of bits independent of how one looks at it; same number of 0s and 1s on any given subset of data).

      Thing is; it'd be neat if some encryption (or compression) algorithm (or combination of two) could indeed hide (statistic) non-randomness of real data well enough to prevent steg analysis from working. I think encryption/compression in general does improve "white noiseness", but probably not enough to prevent analysis of whether something is "as random as it should".

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    7. Re:Hrm by tftp · · Score: 2, Informative
      because removal of randomness (along with redundancy) is what compression is all about.

      I am afraid you have it backwards. Compression is removal of repetitive, guessable parts. The better you compress, the more random the output becomes. Perfectly compressed data consists of bits where each bit has no relation whatsoever to any other bit in this data.

      So it is perfectly possible to hide information in large data files. The original request is impossible, because you not just need to reliably extract the ciphertext - you can't even recognize it as such; what you have to do is to extract a probable ciphertext and decipher it, only then you know that you are successful. But deciphering of even one ciphertext may take years, and the customer wants to do millions of them, and in real time... good luck.

  3. Oh yeah? by Mynkami · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "They seek an application that should run both unobtrusively in the background and in a manual mode, and provide the user the capability to scan all email attachments, downloaded materials and accessed files with an appropriate steganalysis algorithm, reporting any abnormal results (i.e. the presence of steganography)."

    Suuuuure, Carnivore anyone?

    1. Re:Oh yeah? by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take off the tinfoil hat, dude. Checking all pics on the net for steganographic info is virtually impossible - just too much info to sort through in a reasonable time frame.

      They likley want this to scan documents leaving thier internal network in an attempt to catch people who are sending out sensitive or secret info. To me this looks like the USAF is plugging a leak, not going on the hunt.

      Soko

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    2. Re:Oh yeah? by SlashdotLemming · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They likley want this to scan documents leaving thier internal network in an attempt to catch people who are sending out sensitive or secret info. To me this looks like the USAF is plugging a leak, not going on the hunt.

      That's exactly one of the reasons for the technology. The DoD has an obligation to protect sensitive information. There are a crazy number of hoops that need to be gone through to get unclassified info off of a classified system. They can't have people encoding stuff in pictures of Barney then walking away with it.

      I know the usual paranoids are up in arms about the AF doing this, but the same people would flood "The DoD is so stupid" if it were found out that people were abusing the technology to transport classified info.

    3. Re:Oh yeah? by dvdeug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are a crazy number of hoops that need to be gone through to get unclassified info off of a classified system. They can't have people encoding stuff in pictures of Barney then walking away with it.

      Step number one is, even if it looks innoculous, don't let it through. Nobody is going to let you email or floppy a picture of Barney out of a classifed system, because there's no reason to, and it might contain classified information. It doesn't matter what the stegnography filter says, it won't go.

  4. SBIR/STTR program by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work for a company that is funded through a SBIR grant, so on behalf of the company I work for and to all tax paying Americans let me just say: Thank You!

    It really is an interesting government program. All the IP we generate with the money stays with us. However in the interest of equitable return to the taxpayer, we have decided to release all of our core software components GPL. (Okay, okay this also helps when it comes time for our semi-annual review, to show that we aren't just soaking the taxpayers.) We hope to turn a profit partially by our user interface components (non-core code that we are not releasing) and also through support.

    Trying to get one of these grants is highly competitive, but if you have a really good idea and don't want the vulture capitalists to "fund" you, this is a great program.

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    Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
  5. stego wrapped pgp by Macgyver7017 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe statistical analysis can determine if a given image or other medium is possibly hiding information. But if that information is encrypted, doesn't it look like random data without the key? Without knowing the key or even the cipher used to encrypt it... how can it be shown to actually be information? "That's just random noise/corruption in my images your honor... I dont know what your talking about"

    1. Re:stego wrapped pgp by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Maybe statistical analysis can determine if a given image or other medium is possibly hiding information. But if that information is encrypted, doesn't it look like random data without the key? Without knowing the key or even the cipher used to encrypt it... how can it be shown to actually be information? "That's just random noise/corruption in my images your honor... I dont know what your talking about"

      Statistical analysis can indeed detect where hidden information is placed into an image, usually by noticing that the balance of the image is off. In fact, using encrypted data is more likely to stand out because images are not usually populated with statistically random data.

      Here's a piece on scanning Usenet for hidden images. As a broadcast medium you'd expect it to be most frequently used as you can anonymously post material and it is well-nigh impossible to locate the intended recipient.
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  6. Not too difiicult surely? by kiwioddBall · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Win contract.
    2. Base new software on Mr. Provos' work.
    3. Profit!!

    In an IT world where profit is linked to enterprise software, this will be a very interesting piece of work for somebody. Kudos to the winner. I would bid myself if I was a US citizen!

  7. Well I hope it's better than stegdetect then... by argan0n · · Score: 5, Informative

    As stegdetect (last time I checked) easily fails on files created with steghide

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  8. Wonder why Air Force by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Air Force has always been at the fore front of technological thought within the military. I've been Air Force since 1984, and currently work in Information Management, although my first career field was Fire Fighting, I cross trained into IT in 1998. I work with many first class programmers and network guys, most of them classic "hackers". It does not surprise me they are looking at this.

    One thing that does surprise me is that they have allowed the Air Force guys to look at this at all, it seems much more like an Army or NSA thing.

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  9. pattern deviance by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd expect that a fair amount of first-order steg would be detectable by a process that examined all patterns in a data stream, and spotted that or those patterns that were UNLIKE the other patterns in the data, based on some heuristic.

    Of course, if you were to steg with an OTP or some such (i.e. your steg is based on deviance from a known data set), you'd more easily escape such detection.

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  10. I can tell you right now it's still far off. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In "Unification" (Star Trek episode 108), the cloaked Klingon ship that delivers Picard and Spock into Romulan territory sends a coded message to Enterprise that is piggybacked on surrounding Romulan transmissions. If the Romulans were not able to discover this in their time, what makes the USAF think they'll be able to do it now?

  11. Interesting by arvindn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Looks like detection of steganographic content might be a significantly easier problem than decoding it. The reason is that normal compressed images don't have redundancy -- i.e, the image file size is no larger than it needs to be for the quality (information content) that it has. But embedding a message introduces redundancy, by an amount proportional to the capacity of the stego system. This can be detected, the programmer only needs to have a good grasp of the image format, domain transformation techniques etc.

    But I had a this little idea. Suppose we "pollute" normal images with random data with say 1% redundancy. What I mean is, whenever you create an image you take some random data and steganographically embed it in the image. Write a gimp plugin or something so that the process is transparent and automatic. Your file only becomes 1% bigger, so its no big deal. Not everyone needs to do this, just sufficiently many people so that the vast majority of the positives of stego detection systems are going to be false positives. As long as the message is encrypted before embedding, it is provably impossible to tell a genuine stego image from a false positive, assuming that the underlying encryption isn't broken. So you get a secure stegosystem with 1% efficiency "for free".

    [dons tinfoil hat]

    We'd all better soon start doing something like this, given where governments are going.

    /me runs off to patent office

    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is that they aren't so interested in decoding it. Well, they would like to be able to do that, but their main intent is probably to know when someone is sending an encoded image out of their network. That person would then get investigated for possible espionage. In fact, in a case like that, decoding it would be a hindrance to the Air Force. Here's an example:

      Suppose you work inside the Air Force and want to blow the whistle on them for some illegal acts. So you gather the incriminating documents and emcode them into images of your kids, cats, whatever, and e-mail them to a reporter friend. As soon as you do, the Air Force's spiffy new software sounds the alarm, and you're busted. The top brass knows you aren't a spy, but they want to nail you to the wall for ratting them out. So they haul you into court on an espionage charge and use the results the software generated as evidence. They'll say that you must've been passing secret information, but they can't decode it to see exactly what you sent, but you must be a spy. At this point, you're caught in a bind. You can keep your mouth shut about what is in the images and profess your innocence, hoping that the charges don't stick but risking long jail time if they do, or you can decode the data for the Air Force, possibly getting you off the hook on the espionage charges but still getting you in hot water as a whistleblower, while at the same time possibly exposing other whistleblowers in the process (those who may have passed documents to you). But wouldn't the Air Force be able to do all this if they could decode the data themselves? Not really, since, if the documents weren't classified, they'd have a harder time getting you charged with espionage. Those charges alone are incredibly serious and will put intense pressure on you to roll over and cooperate.

      Sorry, this message wasn't supposed to be a paranoid rant, but it turned into one along the way.

    2. Re:Interesting by saforrest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But embedding a message introduces redundancy, by an amount proportional to the capacity of the stego system.

      I don't think you mean 'redundancy' here, since the added data is obviously not redundant. It can't be, since it has to encode the steganographic message.

      I think you mean 'apparent redundancy', i.e. the container file would appear to be redundant to someone who doesn't know there's a secret message since it's larger than it needs to be.

      However, this problem can be avoided if the encoder simply chooses a steganographic method which does not increase container size. As a trivial example of this idea, consider

      this stegangraphic tool I wrote which is based on permuting HTML tag attributes.

      Clearly, tag attributes must have some fixed order when written into a file. My program simply permutes them in a specific way within the file, thus encoding content without increasing container size.

      The general idea is to make use of the existing redundancy of the container to encode data. The one caveat here is that the amount of container redundancy is bounded above by the size of the container, so there is a fixed maximum amount of data that can be encoded.

    3. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, if the plugin uses a good enough random source then it's not possible to distinguish the results from good steganography. That's kind of the point. The problem that the original poster is trying to solve is that good steganography is too good at looking like completely random data, and there's not that much completely random data when real-world codecs and image formats are involved...

    4. Re:Interesting by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      oh hell it's easier than that.

      I wrote a program back in college that did better than that.

      your "hidden data" must be 1/16th the size of the total image size. I used tga files as they were very common back then.

      I simply encoded my data one bit at a time into the lsb of every other pixel. extremely small changes in the pixel color so it's undetectalbe by the human eye. and I'd bet that it's undetectable by every detection program out there. I even wrote in a function to specify the number of padding 0's you wanted to use before data started to be written.

      This add's no redundancy or any detectable changes to the image file.

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  12. Perfect Programming is not needed for it to work by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I personally don't think that is feasible, but maybe a good programmer can prove me wrong.

    The "solution" can be implemented with the current laws and regulations, and I think the programmer is only a small part to make this system work. A lot of enforcement authorities have to come together and the current evidence suggests that they will come together. Of course, it is a moot point that by the time they figure this out, people would have learned to hide data in other creative ways - the eternal cat-and-rat game ...

    Consider this

    the automated detection of steganographic content.

    If Adobe (and others) could be forced to include in their code methods to detect currencies Slashdot | Photoshop CS Adds Banknote Image Detection, Blocking? and not disclose it till they were caught by some vigilant users, what makes us so smug that other major companies with "closed" software are not already in-bed-with-the-feds ? So, it is conceivable that the automatic detection may be going on and we wouldn't be any wiser.

    They seek an application that should run both unobtrusively in the background and in a manual mode,

    See the Adobe example of how such "spyware" can be forced to run "unobtrusively."

    and provide the user the capability to scan all email attachments, downloaded materials and accessed files with an appropriate steganalysis algorithm,

    Major Email providers like Yahoo and Hotmail already provide automatic scanning for virus, AOL is including automatic scanning for spyware, MicroTrend (?) already has Online Virus Scanning of your Hard Drive (!), and so under the threat of the Patriot Act (and it's ilk) many of these companies can be forced to scan everything that goes in and out of their systems.

    reporting any abnormal results (i.e. the presence of steganography).

    This is the key. Now the threshold for "abnormal" has been reduced so much (almanac carriers as potential terrorists, CAPPS passenger detection based on names and 15 flights were cancelled last month based on this, anti-war protestors as possible terrorists and hence being tailed by the Feds etc.) that the problem of false alarms no longer dogs the current administration and law enforcement agencies.

    This is the crux. When the error threshold is reduced so much that the high rates of error are no longer problematic, then any solution (whether efficient or not) can be implemented. Who cares whether it works well or not. Till now the false alarms were the things that stopped such 1984-ish like scenarios from unfolding. Once you accept high errors, and accept even high collatoral damage as the price of doing "business," you can have a solution to almost anything implemented - whether it deserves to be implemented or not is a whole different issue. But who cares? You got nothing to hide - Right?

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  13. Finally... by FooGoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    A use for the code I wrote to sort porn based on image content. I can see it now. Project JISM: Joint Image Statistical Modeling. Any my mom said my chronic masterbation wouldn't get me anywhere.

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    1. Re:Finally... by Tokerat · · Score: 3, Funny

      by FooGoo (98336) on 05:13 AM EST -- Sunday January 11 2004

      A use for the code I wrote to sort porn based on image content. I can see it now. Project JISM: Joint Image Statistical Modeling. Any my mom said my chronic masterbation wouldn't get me anywhere.
      Up all night doing research, I see? ;-)
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    2. Re:Finally... by WindowlessView · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if anyone has done a statistical analysis of spelling errors in emails by American youth. Talk about undetectable ways to hide a message in plain text!

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  14. Strong crypto should look not unlike random noise by Nonesuch · · Score: 4, Informative
    Maybe statistical analysis can determine if a given image or other medium is possibly hiding information. But if that information is encrypted, doesn't it look like random data without the key?
    Yes. One quick-and-dirty test of the strength of a cryptographic algorithm or hash function is that the output appears random, and a small change in the input results in a large change in the output.

    If the steg'd data has obvious headers and block formatting, a weak algorithm could leave enough of a pattern in the output file to be detectable. And of course some applications of stego are used to embed cleartext data...

    Without knowing the key or even the cipher used to encrypt it... how can it be shown to actually be information? "That's just random noise/corruption in my images your honor... I dont know what your talking about"
    Proponents of stego sometimes suggest it's use in environments where even the suspicion of crypto is enough to risk persecution and/or prosecution.

    The other "trick" to detecting stego is that "normal" JPG/BMP/WAV/MP3/AVI/MPEG files tend to not actually show a high degree of random noise -- the seemingly random data in the LSB tends to have a pattern imposed by the encoder used and the input device.

    I'd guess that this problem is more of an issue on highly-processed information from clean sources. You wouldn't expect random noise on an MP3 file ripped off the latest pop album release, but it wouldn't be out of place on a .SHN "bootleg" recording of a TMBG live concert from a handheld DAT recorder...

  15. The end user doesn't need protection... by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... from stenographic content. Either he knows it's there (so he won't report it, surely) or he doesn't know (so he does not extract the potentially dangerous content). A scan for steganographic content should be performed by ISPs or by something like carnivore.

    Anyway the USAF initiative is more clever than it seems, because vital steganographic content (terrorist plans and so) must be hidden in "popular" files, to make it hard for the good guys to find out the intended audience of the message. So a user level scan might be somewhat helpful.

    It will also give a good excuse to people caught surfing for porn ("I am just helping out the USAF, dear!").

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  16. steganography vs. compression by graf0z · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The basic problem with steganography is that it hides content in noise but compression reduces noise.

    It is easy to 'steganohide' content in uncompressed noisy files like tiff or wav. But that content gets destroyed by lossfull compression which is mainly used by multimedia formats (jpeg, mpeg, divx, mpg3, ...). If not, it's called a watermark, but (un)fortunately nobody found a watermark algorithm yet which is robust against lossfull codecs and adding some more noise.

    So You have to steganohide Your content after compressing. But compressed files have much less noise, and that noise is not random noise but has statistical quirks. If You just hide Your content as white noise and add it to the file - thats detectable, because it changes the statistical behaviour of the file!

    Instead You have to write an specific steganografic algorithm for each lossfull compression format You want to hide content in! It has to respect the 'format noise character'. That's what Niels Provos did for pnm and jpeg with outguess.

    /graf0z.

    1. Re:steganography vs. compression by graf0z · · Score: 4, Informative
      [...]compressed files have much less noise[...]

      To be precise: they have much more noise, but You can only use a fraction of that noise for steganography. Otherwise You would destroy or significantly alter the original content of the compressed file.

      /graf0z.

  17. Maybe possible for images by The+real+PoD · · Score: 2

    I wonder if they've talked to this guy

    He claims to have a system which can detect modifications to photographic images.

    Any tampering with a photographic image causes detectable statistical changes. These changes can indicate that the image may have been edited to change the content or possibly that steganographic data has been added.

  18. Re:It's not "your money" by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most US conservatives would consider it "their money" and the idea that its not "their money" to be a corruption of the principals of private property.

    We do have protests over road building, but they are on an environmental or citizen advocacy basis and I do not recall seeing one using property rights as a basis for this.

    Many moons ago in college, we were told about a guy who sued the government to find out what was in the DOD or CIA budget, which was presented as kind of a black box. He argued that as a tax payer, he had a right to know where his money was going. The Supreme Court ruled that he had a (latin phrase spelled wrong) "de minimus interest" in the specific budget; in other words, his contribution was too small to be meaningful, thus e had no right. I wonder if the same applied to Gates or someone else who pays more in taxes.

    I think there's probably a useful balance between the idea that its the governments money and my money. It's very easy to spend a lot of tax dollars without realizing that many of those dollars come from people's hard-earned paychecks, and that if you keep increasing government spending you're taking more and more away from people. Particularly when its being spent on activities that don't return a tangible benefit to those from whom the money was taken, regardless of the "real" benefit.

    The more I pay in taxes (as a homeowner), the more infuriating government spending seems to be. My property taxes (used to fund city and county government) have gone up around 12% per year for the last 3 years. At this rate the property taxes per month will have eclipsed my P&I payments on the house in 12 years. It's hard not to wonder what they're doing with what was at least once my money.

  19. Here's an ineresting little by freidog · · Score: 5, Informative

    paper (pdf) on detection of steganographic messages based on simple statistical analisys of the image. It seems to work well against 2 of the 3 major steganographic endodings they tried.

  20. Patterns In The Static by shadowcabbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For any such system to work, it would have to basically be the greatest code-cracking machine on the face of the planet. More than that, though, would be the implications of false-positives. Let's say I send a photoshopped picture of, oh, I don't know, Natalie Portman to a buddy who works for the Air Force. The system, working under the operating parameters it's set to work with, picks up on a specific pattern of bits in the picture and determines that it's a coded message. The coded message is decoded to, inexplicably, reveal GPS coordinates, a date/timestamp, and the phrase "Free XXXXXX" (or some equally suspect verbiage). What would YOU think the "message" meant?

    Given enough processing power, even /dev/rand can produce terrorist messages. It's the million-monkey problem, except with thermonuclear weapons.

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    1. Re:Patterns In The Static by Alioth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Given enough processing power, even /dev/rand can produce terrorist messages.


      It would have to be an enormous amount of power. Consider we limit the possibilities merely to the alphabet.

      To come up with the word 'the' would be reasonably common place. The odds are 1 in 27*27*27 (26 letters plus space), or 1 in 19683, that any three outputs from a purely alphabetical /dev/urandom would give you that.

      But the word 'the' is hardly a meaningful message. Let's consider 'The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog', a fairly short message at 43 characters. The odds of that coming from an alpha/space /dev/urandom are 1 in 35370553733215749514562618584237555997034634776827 523327290883 - astronomically unlikely. Even if every single atom in the Solar System was working on generating the string at random, it's still very unlikely to show up!

      With a stegged message, where the entire ASCII character set may be used, the message such as what you speculate (some GPS coordinates and suspect verbiage) is even less likely.

      The example of Shakespeare with an infinite number of monkeys is cute, but there *isn't* an infinite number of monkeys, or infinite bytes in images for that matter. The odds are so infinitessimally small that it's barely worth worrying about.
  21. US Gov sponsored DRM by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine if seganographic checking software was to be mandatory on all computers containing DRM. And, removing it would be a felon. Remember boys and girls, owning a computer is a privilege, not a "right".

    Think it can't happen? Think again, we have the Patriot Act as the front runner for this kinda shit. Seriously, I'm voting Libertarian this election. I'm tired of the same old Demo/Repub bull shit!! Arrtrrggghhhhhhaaaa

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  22. Re:how stegged is stegged? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is trivial to write a program to discover content that has been stegged. A jpeg with hidden content would be quite easy to find if the areas with content where significantly different from those without. The problem comes when the data is similar to the carrier.

    It's only trivial if they we using the most basic method possible and you had some idea what the data you were looking for was like.

    If just I straight-up encode a bunch of dictionary words into the LSB's in a black and white bitmap, then you could easily find them.
    If distort the image using a fractal pattern as my method of encoding and the original data source is compressed and encrypted as part of the operation, it's not trivial anymore, is it?

    .....damn, fractal-based stenography I wonder if anybody's using it?

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  23. Rubbish by dmiller · · Score: 5, Informative
    It is trivial to write a program to discover content that has been stegged. A jpeg with hidden content would be quite easy to find if the areas with content where significantly different from those without.

    The point of steganography is to hide information so that its presence cannot be detected. This means hiding information below the noise floor of the media. Information hidden in this way cannot be practically detected, assuming the stego is halfway decent, and the message to be hidden appears random (easily accomplished by encrypting it first).

    Sure, *if* you had access to the unaltered original, then you could detect that it had been altered, but any competent steganographer would encrypt the hidden information first.

    It would be possible with time and processing power to dicover what bits where stegged if you used /dev/urandom to get the data.

    This sentence demonstrates that you don't understand either /dev/urandom or steganography.

    Knowing your processor type and kernel implientation the powers that be could find patterns in the data and look for those (or absence of those) in your message. But if the randomness is of a natural type then the difficulty increases by a massive amount.

    More mis-informed rubbish - kernel implementation and processor type have little to do with the algorithms underlying the /dev/urandom implementation. Furthermore, /dev/urandom is based on "natural type" entropy (i.e randomness derived from unpredicable physical processes).

    So if you have to hide something from the feds then become a scientist and collect lots of data from nature. It should have an element of randomness that allows you to steg your secrets in the data.

    or, you could go and take a regular photo. Plenty of real, nature-derived randomess there.

  24. In general it's feasable though by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In audio that is. SAy you decide to start hiding stuff in live performance music, as in fan recorded data. Much of that is distributed in 24-bit format since we are talking about hardcore people here. Well, this is good already, seeing as you aren't going to find 24-bit converters that really get 24-bits of SNR. So you have plenty of inherant noise to begin with. Add to that the noise of a concert and you've plenty to mask the signal with.

  25. Of course this is feasable! by jetmarc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > I personally don't think that is feasible

    Of course this is feasable! At least with todays steganography software.

    What the software does, is to overwrite appearently insignificant portions of the "container" data (the audio/picture/text/whatever file that transports the smaller hidden file). The steganographers say (rightfully) that, by encrypting the hidden data with a strong-enough algorithm, it is indistinguishable from random data. Ie, no one (without the key used for encryption) would be able to tell if it's encrypted data, or perfectly random data.

    However, the programmers of steganographic software now go one step further and say (wrongly!) that images and audio files carry random noise in their least significant bits (LSB). Certainly, the lowest of those 16 bits of CD quality audio does not carry much data. And granted, 16 bits give 96dB of dynamic range while analog master tapes (studio quality) only have about 80dB, and microphone technology hardly touches 96dB. The LSB of an audio wave file definately is noisy, no doubt about that.

    But (big "BUT"), it is far from being perfectly random. In the LSB you might find 50Hz/60Hz hiss from the buildings electric cabeling. You might find characteristic noise that's typical for your brand of microphone, or even a kind of "noise fingerprint" that could be used to distinguish your microphone from others of the same brand (much like crime investigators can distinguish typewriters by analyzing the blackmail letter). Actually, an experiment showed that when cutting all but the LSB of a music wave file, the tune remains still recognizable!

    What the stego programmers do is to replace that LSB (or even 4 least significant bits) with perfectly (pseudo) random data. That's a difference! I can just cut all but the LSB and check if it statistically matches perfect random data (whitenoise) or if "some of" the music tune is "somehow" in there (eg by correlation, a DSP technique).

    The same applies for pictures. If the pictures were scanned, the lower bits will contain artefacts characteristic to the particular scanner used. Digital photos exhibit "signatures" of the CCD/CMOS chip used in the digicam. Etc.

    The steganographers know this, while the programmers of stegano software deliberately ignores it. It's a solvable problem, but infinitely difficult. If you know what the stegano-detection software is looking for, you can easily avoid it. Just encrypt your hidden data to "perfect random" and then transform it (by adding data, thus loosing efficiency) to exhibit almost the same "fingerprint" signature as the data you are going to overwrite. In case of an audio wave file, impress a bit of the tune on your data.

    But obviously, you can't reach perfection, because a 100% match means that you overwrite the original data with a 100% copy of it (-> you have stored 0 bytes of hidden data). Or you know how the detector works, what tresholds it uses to bin the file as "steganographic", and stay a little below the treshold. But that puts you on the risky side.. Will they change the tresholds? Will they check for other characteristics as well, something that you didn't address in your steganographic software?

    That's why the steganographic programmers (not researchers!) ignore this problem. It has no practical solution. It's so much easier to just ignore it, and offer you the choice between 4 and 8 bits of hidden data per 16 bits of wave data (like eg "Scramdisk" does, a recommendable harddisk encryption software). This is better than nothing, but it is far from "not feasable" to detect!

    Marc

    1. Re:Of course this is feasable! by Shanep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, an experiment showed that when cutting all but the LSB of a music wave file, the tune remains still recognizable!

      Many years ago (10+), just out of interest in crypto, I XOR'ed a raw audio file (my own speech) with pseudo random data (all bits, from LSB to MSB). The result, was one very noisy audio file with the speech still audible! I thought "WTF!?"

      I figured that since, on average, 50% of bits would be toggled, some of the audio information would still be present in a form a human could recognise. I have been meaning to do this again and pass it through a low pass filter to see if I could make the audio come more to the foreground.

      perfectly (pseudo) random data

      This is a contradiction in terms. Pseudo random data cannot be perfect, that is why it is pseudo (fake). Although, based on reading your interesting message, I'm sure you know this.

      It has no practical solution.

      How about stego software that detects how many LSB's span the noise floor, replace those with real white noise and then replace lower LSB's with the stego? I wonder if one could go about the noise floor LSB replacement so that it was a gradual replacement near the bits which border between noise and information? So as to prevent detection of the sudden (obvious) change which would be a "stego fingerprint" in itself!

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    2. Re:Of course this is feasable! by Travis+Fisher · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thus spake Shanep: Many years ago (10+), just out of interest in crypto, I XOR'ed a raw audio file (my own speech) with pseudo random data (all bits, from LSB to MSB). The result, was one very noisy audio file with the speech still audible! I thought "WTF!?"

      Your thought ("WTF!?") was right on target. I don't know what you actually did, but it clearly wasn't XOR the audio file with anything resembling random bits. If you XOR a message with truly random bits, the result will consist of truly random bits. This is because for each bit of message there is a 50-50 chance that you will flip that bit, and these chances are all independent. So the output bit has a 50-50 chance of being 0 or 1, independent of other output bits.

      The same general principle applies when you XOR a message with pseudo-random bits. Provided the original message had no built-in correlation to the pseudo-random bit stream, the output will have as good random characteristics as the pseudo-random bit stream. In particular, it will sound like white noise when you feed it to a speaker.

      Contrast this with what would happen if you AND or OR the message with a (pseudo-)random bit stream. In this case each bit has a 50-50 chance of being left unchanged and a 50-50 chance of being set to zero (AND) or one (OR). This would produce an output like you describe; it would sound like a noisy version of the original file. If I had to guess, this is what you actually did.

    3. Re:Of course this is feasable! by BigBadBri · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nice logic, but I think there's a flaw.

      Because the audio has a fixed word size, and truly random data will contain a significant number of short runs (I'm thinking For example, the four most significant bits would be preserved in 1/2^4, or 1/16, of the file - the three MSBs in 1/8 of the file, and so on.

      I reckon the human brain, looking as it does for patterns in the world outside, would be able to find what remained of the original pattern in the data.

      I'm not the parent, but it seems to me that an XORed file would sound like a noisy copy of the original.

      I may even try it myself and see.

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    4. Re:Of course this is feasable! by epsalon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe he XOR'd the entire 8 bits of each byte with the same bit, effectively XORing each byte with either FF or 00. In that case, a lot of the original audio is still there.

  26. I don't think this can possibly work. by dirt_puppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As others stated, (as always in cryptography) if the stegging user isn't stupid (means he would encode before steg), the data to be stegged would be as random as the data that you steg it in. There is no possibility to tell one set of random data from another set of random data. I think they do it for discovering stupid spys.

    1. Re:I don't think this can possibly work. by JKR · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The problem is that emailing streams of random data around looks pretty suspicious. You want to hide random-looking data in a NON-random stream (that has a legitimate purpose, e.g. an image file). THAT's why you can detect it.

      Even random data has to fit in. For example, it used to be the case that the A/D stage of some cheap sound cards was so noisy that the recording from line-in gave you a 16 bit audio sample stream with the bottom 4 bits effectively random(like dithering but much much worse.) However, the noise (while random in nature) was shaped in a particular way, so if you just hide your encrypted secrets in those 4 bits it would be obvious that the "noise" wasn't appropriate.

      Jon.

  27. Nope. by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea is to detect the likely presence of stego.. not to decode it, tha's an entirely different thing.

    Analyzing a jpg or png to staistically determine if it's "clean" or has a message in it is not all that difficult. Decoding that message is a totally unrelated feat.. more likely reserved for cryptographers.

  28. I have an anti-idea? by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if instead of trying to hide something in a specific image for example, you gave the steganographic software a selection of say 100 images and got it to choose which one would be best suitable to hide the data so it was hardest to find. While it might take alot of processing power to do this for a large selection it would make finding allot harder. Oh wait were supposed to be making it easier :P, how about banning all steganographic software and research under the PATRIOT III act and then only criminals will use it? Im not sure what the USAF is trying to get at here, if someone just thought it would be cool to do then fine, but if they are hoping to use it to catch terrorists then its stupid - you cant go through every email, IM, phone call, sms, fax, snail mail, telegram, VoIP call and website in the world looking for something dodgy, even if none of it was encrypted theres just too much!

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  29. Re:Easier way... by awing0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    But then how would you know it was there in the first place? The person sending off your internal data won't be caught and will probably just try other ways. But, if you detect steganography in outgoing/incoming data, you can try and hunt down who is sending it and who he is speaking to. And, if you can decipher the files, you can find out what they are after.

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  30. Establishing innocence on false positives--how? by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In these days when the FBI thinks possession of an almanac makes you suspicious...what happens to you if some half-baked experimental steganography-detection program looks at billions of .jpgs, gets to an image you've included in an eBay auction descriptions, and detects some not-quite-decodable signal just above the noise that it interprets "there's definitely something hidden in that image, even though we can't tell what?"

    How do you prove that you're innocent?

    How do you prove that your image does NOT contain steganography?

    Worse yet, suppose you are using steganography--say, a watermark to prevent people from stealing your image. Will the FBI believe what you tell them is the decoded content?

    I mean, a few decades ago some nutcase analyzed Shakespeare's First Folio and decided that it was printed in a mixture of two slightly different fonts that constituted a binary code with a message proving that it had been written by Sir Francis Bacon. (No kidding). That proves that it's easy for someone who's looking for steganography to find it, whether it's there or not.

  31. Watch out for reuse or original source availabilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'd have go go around obtaining lots of original recordings. Like using an one-time pad, with stego, you can't use the same source twice, nor can you use a source that's already available. You need to be the sole source. Otherwise the enemy can do a binary comparison and see that there's something different, possibly hidden data.

  32. Probably feasible because of STTR by JohnQPublic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The original poster doesn't believe that it's possible to detect steganographic content. There have been lots of technical follow-ups that suggest it might be possible, but almost nobody has mentioned the funding issue. The task is most likely possible simply because there's been an STTR solicitation published. Many of the STTR and SBIR solicitations are designed by their authors to fund existing projects known to the authors. These "solicitations" provoke very few proposal submissions, occasionally even just the one from the expected recipient of the funds.

    Don't get me wrong - this isn't a scam. The funding groups are usually genuinely interested in having what they specify developed, sometimes wind up buying lots of it once the development is complete, and in most cases all qualified bidders are truly considered. It's just that the solicitations are often written so narrowly that only a select few bidders can qualify.

    But hey, at least the bidders are required to be small businesses, not like those Halliburton contracts for Iraq!

  33. Not quite that easy by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with the LSBs of an image is that they aren't quite random. Unless the image is raytraced or otherwise artificially produced, there's a fair amount of order there. Even a raytraced image might not be quite random.

    The same holds with audio. For instance, crypted data is white noise, but concert noise is "pink noise" which has a characteristic spectrum. The noise produced by converters is closer to white, but it isn't quite either. People like Neils Provos have been studying this for a while, trying to find out which bits they can change without altering the statistics of the image or audio, but with limited success. As of last year (don't know how it is this year), all published steganography schemes at least a few months old had been broken.

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    1. Re:Not quite that easy by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ahh, but the noise of converters is white noise. So all you need are some cheap 24-bit converters, and there's no shortage of those, and you are good to go. You get some cheap portable that has a SNR of sometihng like 102-105dB. Ok well that needs a maximum of 18-bits to actually encode that resolution. Now since there can be some signal below the noise floor, and since you want to be carful, take two more bits on that. That still leaves you 4 bits per sample to use that is going to essentially be pure white noise.

  34. An Interesting but controversial solution by Asakura_Joe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Detecting encrypted steganography would be difficult. It would involve statistical analysis of the "unimportant" bits of a known good media sample (be it image, audio, even an executable) and comparing it to the suspect message.

    This would involve a tremendous database on the part of the USAF. More importantly, if the people using the steganography had a similar database (and code that could encrypt their hidden text to match the properties of the "known good"s), then the messages would be undetectable.

    A better (but more controversial) approach be this: The USAF modifies every picture/audio stream/etc that goes to the outside world. Only the least significant bits (the places where the encrypted message is likely to hide) would be changed -- to gibberish. Then it doesn't matter if the message was stego-ed or not -- it's unreadable now.

    Only 2 problems I see with this:

    1) Doesn't match what the USAF asked for, which was a way to DETECT stego. I feel that this is OK because the AF's original goal is WAY too broad an d open ended. Stego isn't limited to pictures. It can use music, text, code (using redundancy in certain instructions in the x86 instruction set). In short, there are too many possible channels for something to be stego-ed through.

    2) It's an overt measure. If you wanted to let these stego-ed messages get to their intended recipients, and then monitor what Bob the Spy was then doing, you'd be SOL. But still, if this was a known policy, it would be tremendously useful.

    Oh, and for those who say "The data is being tampered with! That's inherently wrong!", if the data was so important that it's modification would cause problems, then the original steganography would be automatically detected.

  35. I don't think this will work at all: by NtroP · · Score: 2, Insightful
    OK, let's take a look at this situation. If the sensitive/secret information is protected the way it should be (ie. seperate computers on networks in separate rooms, etc.) an I [Mr. Bad Airman] want to get this kewl info fired off to my handlers in Al Queda, what are my options? Even if I could send information over the internet from one of these computers, which I shouldn't be able to, how am I going to be able to run stego software if I can't load any programs on these systems (which I sure as hell shouldn't be able to).

    I suppose I could have the software on a USB device that could encrypt the data for me, but since I can't get external email on that system I'd have to carry it out of there with me (maybe on the USB device). If I can do that, I can cary it anywhere so why would I risk sending this info from military computers when I can head to the internet cafe, the library in town or Kinko's?

    A lot of military folk live on base and may get internet service provided by the military so they could check messages entering and leaving that way, but not on the base my wife works at. They get their connections 3rd-party and it never passes through military routers first.

    From what I've [not] seen of my wife's secure work environment, I'd bet the AirForce would get a lot further with the money in providing additional security training to their "com-nazi's" and improve the physical security of their secret information.

    They may already be trying to do some sort of scanning of outgoing attachments, because their Exchange servers seem to fold, spindle, and mutilate about two-thirds of the legitimate attachments my wife tries to send home. Then again, I've never seen a network that was "down" as often as theirs is so it may just be inexperience at the controls. Seriously, you can't take an airman out of bootcamp, send him to a few classes and expect them to be able to manage a complex network running Windows.

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  36. Re:Watch out for reuse or original source availabi by cicho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It means a lot to them. They have narrowed down the source. Now instead of placing bugs on ten thousand communication lines, they only have to place one.

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  37. Sounds Like A Design Problem Only by tom's+a-cold · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Steg programs need two inputs: an encrypted text to hide (the message), and a random stream of data to hide it in (the "medium"). The only way that the output can be identified as possibly containing a steganographic message is if the statistical properties of the hidden message are in some way distinct from those of the medium.

    That implies that an effective steg program would do some analysis of the statistical properties of the medium prior to hiding the message, and would adapt the statistical properties of the encrypted message to blend in. For example, they might make a message hidden in audio look like Boltzmann noise (assuming there were no other pseudo-random artifacts created by the recording equipment and audio encoding scheme).

    Only snag I see is that, if several parameters are adjustable, the values of those parameters would also need to be known on the receiving end.

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