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Clear Speakers, Segway Clone Top CES Coverage

jlouderb writes "Phew. We just finished five days of wall to wall coverage of this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Highlights include "invisible" speakers, a Segway clone for around $1,000, details on Intel's LCoS plans, a humanoid robot from Sony and more HDTV recorders, new home networking schemes and flat panel TVs than you can shake a stick at. If you weren't one of the 100,000 or so who made it to Vegas, check out what you missed at PCMag.com."

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  1. Invisible Speakers by GameGod0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Coincidentally, there are no known photographs of these "invisible" speakers.

    1. Re:Invisible Speakers by r_glen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a pretty decent picture of it.

    2. Re:Invisible Speakers by xenotrout · · Score: 3, Funny

      I managed to get this picture. I wasn't able to hear them in action, though.

    3. Re:Invisible Speakers by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean you can't see them. I can see them, why can't you! And they sound beautiful.

      I'm really happy about The Emperors new speakers. Almost as cool as The Emperors new clothes.

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  2. The other highlight by r_glen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Toshiba's .85 inch, 2-4GB hard drive

  3. Invisible speakers by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Throwing your voice just got a hell of a lot easier. I foresee excellent office pranks.

    "Nice game of Solitaire you've got going there."

  4. Not a Segway by One+Louder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Uh, that thing has *four* closely-spaced wheels - that makes it something that's going to fall over really easily. Stop suddenly and you're going to be singing soprano. There's no gyroscopic balancing going on.

    Not a big shock since the Segway's balancing system is patented.

    1. Re:Not a Segway by EvilFrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's like saying you couldn't patent a printing press because people had been writing by hand for years, or a loom because weaving could be done without it. Using logic, one could claim the universe as prior art to anything, as we are simply using the laws of physics to provide means to an end. Finding new and better ways to do things that can already be done is not only patentable, but one of the reasons that patents exist.

    2. Re:Not a Segway by pheared · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right, because even an idiot can keep the Segway balanced.

    3. Re:Not a Segway by aflat362 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maddox had this idea long before this clone

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    4. Re:Not a Segway by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Uh, that thing has *four* closely-spaced wheels - that makes it something that's going to fall over really easily.


      Another thing that this does is increase the footprint for the device. I believe one of the advantages touted for the Segway was that it could be used wherever someone would walk due to a footprint roughly the same size as a pedestrian. It looks like if one wanted to pivot around with this device, you're much more likely to catch someone's toes as the back wheels swing around.
  5. Ok... the robots... by MrPerfekt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can a public company that's based on profits and such in this day and age spend so much resources on those bloody robots without every really selling any of them? This could be my misconception though, but I have never heard of anybody really buying them.

    It seems every few months we have a new video of the latest, greatest robot dancing. Maybe I should be happy about all of this because it's R&D and any of that is needed in today's marketplace because so many companies have ditched it. In any case, I rather have them research rockets or other space machinary to get to Mars a little quicker. (I realize robotics has an impact on space exploration but sheesh, what's the use if we can't get anywhere first.)

    I'm really ranting now but the hot dance moves on the Super Humanoid Robot 5000 really makes me want to cap myself.

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    1. Re:Ok... the robots... by xenotrout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this may be like playing a sport to learn physics or writing a computer game to learn a programming language. It's a fun way to figure out some practical concepts that may eventually be applied to something else. Sure, we aren't going to see Honda produce dancing cars or conversational power generators, but building a robot like this introduces lots of design challanges that can be used for other things, plus it may get the engineers thinking more creatively than they usually do. Sorry, I can't think of any examples--perhaps since I haven't been building robots.

    2. Re:Ok... the robots... by bluGill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure they will make their money back. Not from the full robot of course. But from taking parts of the whole to make a cheaper robot. I've considered robotic vacuums, but until they do the stairs I'm still left with doing part of the job by hand. (and at that the worst, doing each step individually with the smaler attachment) Take just a fraction of the technology and make a cheap vacuum and they can make part back.

      A robot to cook my meals doesn't need to walk. (in fact given long enough arms can be built into the unused space between my cabinets and the ceiling. I'd like to have this type of robot in my home. I'd love to have a (healthy and tasty given my preferences and doctors orders) meal waiting for me when I get home from work using whatever is in my kitchen.

  6. segway clone by potpie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone here own or know anyone who owns a segway?

    Wasn't it the biggest let down when you heard that this new type of mobile that would "revolutionize" transportation forever... turned out to be a bulky, overpriced scooter?

    Hey- the wheels are next to each other. Neat. Now why would I want to buy one?

    It was a great idea, but not any more than meal-in-a-pill was a good idea, or the anthropomorphic robot of the 1950's. Neat, but who really wants one (not counting rich people with money to burn)? So does it really deserve to be copied? Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery... but... it's a scooter!

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    1. Re:segway clone by /dev/trash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw one, in all palces, Arkansas. A radio station biought it and usedit at promo events. It also had ads on it. The gal who was driving it was hot.

    2. Re:segway clone by basingwerk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Over in Europe, there have been a lot of stories about obesity in America. Do you suppose that some people have got to the point where they have to use a vehicle like this just to reach thier car?

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    3. Re:segway clone by ParadoxDruid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I saw a security person (I assume a higher up) using one to get around campus at the University of Colorado, Boulder. Not sure if it was purchased or a test or what, but still caught me by surprise.

      I do think Segways have a use in positions such as, say, warehouse manager and other jobs where people are walking around all day.

      Still, I'd rather walk and get the exercise. Oh well.

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  7. Attitude for success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Best line, John Wang, president of Global Manufacture Group: "You bought it, you figure it out."

  8. High Definition TiVo by sdo1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've been a TiVo junkie for about 3 years now and an high definition junkie for about 6 months. I didn't realize how spoiled I was with TiVo until I had to watch HD content in real time (gasp!). So right now, I'm just itching to put my hands on the High Definition TiVo. It comes with a 250Gig HD which is enough for about 30 Hrs of HD content or 200 hours of standard definition content. It can record over-the-air (OTA) HD or DirecTV HD. Drool....

    -S

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  9. The transparent speakers are my pick by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They say you can layer it over a flat panel. Aside from the problem that you then cannot use it for a touch screen, this is fantastic news. Consider having a laptop with three of these things; two of them on the body of the unit past the keyboard where speakers usually go if they are not under your hands where only an asshole would put them (even if you type as you are "supposed" to and hold your arms up all day, your hands will be in the way of the sound) and one built into the display as a center channel. The speakers on the unit, being thin and flat, could be slid out and either connected using headphone extension cables or connected on some kind of cable on a reel, though that sounds likely to fail. Anyway, bang! You've got Dolby 3 Stereo with wide separation.

    Sliding the suckers out probably isn't necessary on a laptop anyway, because you'll be sitting so close to it. However what with the rash of large-display laptops coming out these days, it might be nice to have this feature, so that you can have portable cinema that a couple of people can sit down in front of.

    Alternatively, and perhaps more realistically outside of Japanese test markets, you could have a stereo flat panel speaker built into the display for your front channel, and then plug speakers into the headphone jack and configure the sound to use them for the rear channel audio. This is probably a much better idea, but this is one of those stream-of-conciousness posts.

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  10. DRM? That's bad news... by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Microsoft wants to do more than make sure there are Windows-powered devices in every office, home, cell phone, and car.

    Then came the Big Three: speeches by Dell's Michael Dell, HP's Carly Fiorina, and Intel's Paul Otellini. All three PC companies now are fully ensconced in the world of consumer electronics, none more so than HP, which has wholeheartedly endorsed DRM as the wave of the future. And when someone endorses DRM these days, Hollywood pays tribute. Ben Affleck, Doctor Dre, Alicia Keys, and The Edge on the same stage? Entertainment Tonight should have been there.


    Well, that's not good for the future -- it looks like companies are determined to push digital rights management, and with Microsoft making aggressive attempts at expanding its software as usual, will they team up and begin making moves to implement the P word sometime this year?

    Of course, Linux doesn't have a standard for DRM, with Macrovision being the only one in portation, but given recent events (deCSS), Linux is thankfully not the friendliest platform for such things. Perhaps more people will switch over to Linux once they learn their days of free downloading may be over if they stick with Microsoft?

  11. Why clone the Segway? by CottonEyedJoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm the first to admit its a neat idea if the Segway werent eclipsed by the venerable bicycle in nearly every respect. For the price of a Segway you can buy a nearly weightless (15 lbs) carbon fiber bike that Lance Armstrong would be proud to ride, and with a few weeks of practice, any reasonably healthy person could out pace and out distance any Segway.

    For $1000 youre still talking about a nice shiny new "bike shop" bike that would run the clone into the dirt. Heck, even a $150 Wal Mart special would have no trouble in that regard.

    1. Re:Why clone the Segway? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      any reasonably healthy person could out pace and out distance any Segway.

      So healthy persons are not the Segway's target market.
      We're talking about a guy who makes fancy balancing wheelchairs, the segway is more like a fancy motorized "walker" (what do you call them 4-legged cane-like things elderly people walk around with?).

      its a neat idea if the Segway werent eclipsed by the venerable bicycle in nearly every respect.

      From your young, healthy point of view. But for someone who's proud to be able to stand but too weak to walk all the way to the market and back with the groceries, the segway is much more desirable.

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    2. Re:Why clone the Segway? by 198348726583297634 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cause you won't want to ride your bike four miles in a business suit on a day after it's rained. You won't have very many nice suits if you do that too many times. Riding the segway, on the other hand, gets you to the office as clean as if you'd driven, minus the vehicle emissions.

    3. Re:Why clone the Segway? by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The OP made an interesting point--this IS still a very first generation device. The first generation of bikes were more trouble than they were worth.

      That said, I agree. The Segway is a solution in search of a problem that's already been solved in better ways--for most people. Still, unlike "new" speakers, a "new" camera, or most other daily "new" shite from companies, the Segway is at least fairly original.

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  12. Not a clone in the slightest... by EvilFrog · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "Segway Clone" is only a clone in the respect that it looks vaguely similar to one. All of the technological advances that make the Segway unique are missing.

    The entire point of the Segway is the gyroscopic balancing.

    I'm reminded of that "RoboSweep" that billed itself a "Roomba Clone".

  13. Here Are Three Reasons by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In the short range, company visibility, and advertising. If Sony makes cute impressive robots, you may conclude (correctly) Sony is an on the ball technical company and therefore its VCRs, Televisions, Computers, and Games are likely to be of a superior quality.

    Spin off technologies used in industry the general public is unaware of.

    Long range goals (something American companies often neglect). Someday everyone will have robotic aids and servants. It won't happen overnight, nor necessarily in our life time, but its an easy prediction to make for something almost certain to happen within the next hundred years.

    1. Re:Here Are Three Reasons by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Next hundred years? What? Apparently, you think that either
      a) It's more difficult to come from QRIO to a general-purpose intelligent robot than from radio to Internet, from Wright's Flyer to 1000+ passenger jets, solar-powered planes and UAVs, from Model T to GM's Autonomy.
      or
      b) The rate of progress is decreasing.
      is true. But I think both a and b are false. And we will have intelligent robots in a few decades, not centuries.
      Check this out.

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  14. Who submits? by Raleel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone else remember when slashdot used to be about nerds submitting articles that they had found on the web and thought were interesting? Now it seems there are a plethora of "self submitted" articles, and I think the quality has gone down. Take, for example, this one. It wasn't enough for someone else to say "hey, look, I found this article on pcmag.com showing off all this CES stuff." No, it had to be someone trying to drive up traffic to their site. Hell, even the username is a link to pcmag.

    Or the one the other day about the color alterations on the mars photos. Now, I'm almost willing to forgive this one, since it is pretty interesting, but on the other hand, the guy could have gotten the answer to his dilemma just by going to NASA's site.

    Remember when slashdot was about the wierd and wacky stuff on the internet? Like the lego porn page, or the telephone sex page (the one where telephones are having sex), the unix admin porn page, the site that you can telnet into and it does star wars (the movie) in ascii, and other things like this.

    I think I miss this the most about slashdot.

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    1. Re:Who submits? by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pretty simple: www.fark.com

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  15. Stax by Tikal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think this is the first transparent speaker ever to come to market. I say this because I spent a fair portion of my childhood in front of a pair of Stax speakers -- the 6' high variety, two panels apiece. One of our audiophile friends had a pair of the 3' high speakers with only one panel each.

    You could indeed see through these; there was only a layer of something like a coarse cheesecloth in front of them, and a metal grill of sorts behind, protecting what I understood was a pair of sandwiched plastic layers that looked like celophane. Our cats would eye the whole arrangement from time to time and flex their claws. They learned to stay away from them eventually.

    This particular pair was a factory-rejected "showroom model", coming at a significant discount: the engineers had the bright idea of putting two LEDs on the bottom of the speakers to indicate whether you were overdriving the speakers. Green was loud but acceptable, and Red meant that you'd probably already committed one or more of the precious panels to the garbage. Unfortunately, their reviewers, who like to listen in dark rooms at high volume, found the presense of a bright green LED "distracting". The company purportedly removed it from subsequent models.

    The panels were apparently very low-yield -- something like only 11 pairs a year were manufactured, and it's seems pretty obvious from Stax's headphone-centric website that they're no longer making them. We did manage to get a replacement panel from them once, about 2 years after we purchased the speakers, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen again. The speakers had another problem recently with capacitors in their power supply leaking -- just recently we found a second batch when the second speaker's started going bad, but I don't believe they've been installed yet. A bit of a shame, really.

    As a side note, these speakers completely spoiled me -- nothing which I've had since sounds nearly as clear. With a good recording, you could close your eyes and completely lose yourself. These taught me to appreciate vinyl far more than I would have otherwise; with some listening and comparison, I could even understand why my father had gone with a tube amp rather than a solid state one...

  16. Me too.... by microbob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever since I got my TiVo my Proscan HD decoder just collects dust....

    I did use it a little last month when I tried out HDNet, but sadily I'm addicted to TiVo (dual tuner no less) and promptly cancelled HDNet and turned the Proscan off.

    -mb

  17. A REAL Segway Clone... by ferrellcat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why screw around with this lame four-wheeled "scooter", when you can make your very own segway clone???

    http://www.tlb.org/scooter.html

  18. Ok, here's what I found... by GRH · · Score: 2, Funny
  19. Yet another highlight by MochaMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    And speaking of things you can mount. Here's yet another highlight.

  20. Best PR quote ever... by mgcsinc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best PR quote ever has got to be:

    "Although local governments have placed restrictions on riding Segways in crowded city streets, Wang said the same restrictions shouldn't apply to the Electric Chariot. "It's not a Segway," he said. "But we're going to say to the consumer, 'You bought it, you figure it out.'""

    This Segway imitiation is a joke; it's playing on the segway image with absolutly none of the same technology. This thing is more related to an senior-citizen mobility soloution, except you stand up. And it even has a name to match!

  21. Definitely Not a Segway by SethJohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Actually, I don't think it would be easy to tip this thing forward. The geometry is such that your center of gravity is behind the wheels on that platform. This means it requires considerable force to 'lift' you up for you to tip over forward. If your gravity were centered on the axles of the two front wheels, then definitely a twig or something would send you tumbling.

    That being said, this scooter looks like a massive piece of crap. Not massive in size, but massive in its crapiness. There's no real innovation in this device. It's just a real cosmetic imitation of the Segway. A better buy is one of those cheap scooter things people are selling in the parking lots of abandoned gas stations these days. And I say that knowing that you don't have any kind of return policy with a vendor who doesn't have a permanent physical address.