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Inner Workings of High-Gain Mars Rover Antennas?

cavac asks: "I've been searching for detailed info on how the high gain antennas on the Mars Rovers work, but did not find much useful information except that they DO work. I've been wondering: they are disc-shaped and are approximately the size of a CD. They somehow reassemble parabolic antennas but actually aren't, are they? Anyway, how much use would a parabolic antenna that size have? When I first saw them, they reminded me of the old antennas[*] (enclosed in plastic) used on vacuum tube based radio projects[*]. So, what's really inside the Mars Rovers high gain antennas? Note: Links marked with [*] are german language but the pictures should be self explaining."

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  1. Martians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Naturally we're just piggy-backing on the already built martian wireless infrastructure.

  2. X-band, and other matters. by mlyle · · Score: 5, Informative

    The MERs use X-Band for high data rate communications back to earth-- which has a wavelength of 3cm, making high gain antennas considerably smaller and more practical.

    It's my understanding that the high gain antenna on MER is a compact phased array design. Even parabolic antennas could be practical at the 3cm wavelength, though they wouldn't be flat (which was obviously preferable for footprint issues).

    1. Re:X-band, and other matters. by stienman · · Score: 5, Informative

      The X-Band Phased Array Antenna has one major benefit. Phased array antennas are meant to mimic the directivity and gain of a parabolic antenna, with the ability to aim it, in an array of antennas that does not move and is flat.

      So basicly you take a bunch of flat antennas, do some 'magic' between the array and the signal source (or destination) and you can effectively aim the antenna as though you were actually moving a parabolic antenna.

      Since the antenna on spirit is aimed mechanically, and phased array antennas are, IIRC, still pretty power hungry, then it may be that they are not using a phased array. However, it would make a lot of sense to use a phased array for fine control aiming and the machanical link for coarse control.

      -Adam

    2. Re:X-band, and other matters. by mlyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, there are plenty of advanced technology phased array antennas where delay lines and elements are dynamically swapped in and out.

      But it is possible to build a statically aimed phased array-- and this is what most patch antennas are in practice.

  3. Important Question by illuminatedwax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The important question is, what is the frequency of the transmissions being sent back to Earth, and can we figure out how to interpret the data being sent? We don't want any sort of NASA cover-up of the Martians, now do we?

    --Stephen

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    1. Re:Important Question by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny


      First the moon landing, now this. When is NASA going to come clean?

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    2. Re:Important Question by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dunno the frequency, but I'm not sure I'd want it posted on /. anyway. If it were, about 90% of the geeks seeing it would:
      1) immediately have orgasms -- this stuff is SO leet, ya know?;
      2) reverse-engineer the thing so that they could drive the Rover;
      3) using the results from step 2, play Martian Quake, or Planetary Doom 3, and probably run over lots of shit, including (quite likely, since there's bugger all down here) the only intelligent forms of life in the known universe. Luckily, those life forms would have a LOT of Mars->Earth->Mars delay time, but I'm not sure I'd want the stuff in the sweaty hands of 13-year old geeks who haven't yet gotten terrestrial drivers' licenses.

    3. Re:Important Question by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 5, Interesting


      2) reverse-engineer the thing so that they could drive the Rover

      That's funny, but do they actually bother with encryption/authorization stuff? I would think that the lander/rover already has such a limited bandwidth that they wouldn't want to waste any of it with hash or authorization codes--on the other hand, you don't want a 14 year old taking control of a $400M rover either. Do they just keep the frequency secret? Does the control apparatus require NSF type gear? Even at that, how do you keep the Russians from sabotaging a lunar landing to maintain nationalistic prestige?

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    4. Re:Important Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Suppose you knew that the frequency was 8.123456GHz, the encoding was QPSK, the protocol was CCCSP, the error correction was Reed-Solomon, etc. Now all you need to interpret data coming down from the lander is a big freakin' huge 34m dish.

    5. Re:Important Question by decepty · · Score: 3, Funny

      oh c'mon, what self respecting geek doen't have access to that kind of stuff...

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  4. Well, it is mars by Descartes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not a radio expert so I don't really know what design they use, but you need to take into account two major points.

    1. The rover is operating outside of FCC restrictions. So it can use as much bandwidth as it wants. Also, because there are few other sources of radio signals on mars there is likely no trouble with interference.

    2. Because mars has a drastically different atmosphere than earth, the way the signals travel, etc will be different. From what I understand, much of earth based radio communication relies on bouncing signals off of the upper atmosphere and other "tricks". And of course if the atmosphere is thinner it will offer less resistance to the signal.

    1. Re:Well, it is mars by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "1. The rover is operating outside of FCC restrictions."

      They still have to watch out for the DMCA, tho.

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    2. Re:Well, it is mars by muonzoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      ... From what I understand, much of earth based radio communication relies on bouncing signals off of the upper atmosphere and other "tricks". ...

      Ionospheric refraction (or bounce) is really only applicable to longer wavelengths. The MER radios are operating in the X-band region, therefore there would be little ionospheric interaction in this region. Moreover, I don't think Mars has an ionosphere. Earth's ionosphere won't be an issue since the signal's angle of incidence will be arbitrarily large at a point in time over the reception window.
  5. Re:The Beagle by bandy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Beagle2 hasn't reported back. They're now trying silence to try to get it to go into "CSM2". In February, it's scheduled to go into broadcast mode [e.g. "Help! Can't hear you at all!"] on Groundhog Day or thereabouts.

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  6. Replacable modules by jdawg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just hope the AE-35 doesn't blow.

  7. You mean like this? by JCMay · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before Harris sold it to JetBlue, they developed LiveTV, a system to bring DirecTV to airliners in-flight. The receiver includes a phased array antenna that scans in elevation while sitting on a gimble that allows the beam to be scanned in azimuth.

    Phased arrays use lots of power, but that's because each antenna element in the array requires its own amplifier(s) and phase shifter (or time delay unit). Fortunately, those amplifiers cam be much smaller than the monolithic amplifier required to drive a dish (since the signals from each amplifier in the array are summed together).

  8. Pringles on Mars by kmahan · · Score: 3, Funny

    What NASA doesn't show you is the guy who takes Pringles cans, paints over 'em (after eating all the chips), and declares it "space ready" (for only $500k/unit!)

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  9. Micro passive phased array antenna by Tau+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative
    Claimer: I am an electrical engineer, I have studied wave mechanics, and I have seen devices like this antenna built into devices such as aircraft weather radars.

    The rover antenna appears to be an example of a flat-plate phased array antenna, which is a generalization of the "slot antenna". The basics are that you have a feedpoint where energy is coupled to/from a cable which goes to your transceiver. This feedpoint is coupled, either through transmission line divider/combiner networks of the appropriate impedance or the equivalent in waveguides, to each individual radiating element. In this case the radiating elements are segments of the surface of the disc, which happen to be connected electrically (which is not of great consequence). So long as each slot is at least a half-wavelength long, applying an RF voltage across its center lets it radiate just like a dipole perpendicular to the slot. Connecting a large number of slots via feedlines or waveguides so that they are all driven in phase gives you a nice, flat wavefront, which is also what you get from the reflection of a spherical wave off a parabola. The details differ, the result is more or less the same.

    None of this would have been strange to a techno-geek of fifty years ago, because geeks of that time were into ham radio instead of computers.

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    1. Re:Micro passive phased array antenna by kentborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, I think that is correct, but let me add something that might be confused here.

      Just because this appears to be a phased array does not mean it is an electrically steered phased array (as other postings have suggested). Look at a picture of the rover [http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/mission/images/rover1_ detail_500.jpg]. The high gain antenna looks quite steerable. It is possible that it is also electrically steered to fine tune the aim, but it doesn't look like a high enough gain antenna to need that. Might as well make the mechanics a bit more precise and aim it with motors. Throw in some feedback on signal strength and even if the mechanics are knocked slightly out of alignment a precise aim should be possible.

      -kb, the Kent who decided to reply to a single smart post instead of deciding which nonsense post to correct.

    2. Re:Micro passive phased array antenna by On+Alien+Cinema · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And some of those geeks are still radio hams, and some are indeed listening to the Mars effort. They've been tracking Mars Express into orbit, and are now planning their own ham radio mission to the red planet - AMSAT Phase 5A - which will be an independently built communications and science spacecraft to go into orbit sometime towards the end of the decade. Now that's what I call ham radio. More -- including helpful hints as to how you too can pick up signals from Mars (g'wan, admit it, it beats beaming WiFi to your pal across the road) -- at http://www.amsat-dl.org/p5a/

  10. You got it right in the first sentence, but... by Tau+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting
    you should have stopped there.

    Yes, the rover is operating outside the jurisdiction of the FCC (though not outside of international treaties regulating interference between space probes). Yes, the rover can use as much bandwidth "as it wants". But how much is that?

    The answer is, not much. The problem is that you're trying to get a tiny signal across a very large distance back to Earth, and even though Earth is listening with dishes up to 70 meters across you still have serious limits. That squeak of signal coming in has to compete against the rush of thermal noise coming from everything, including the receiver itself. (The first stages of the receivers are cryogenically cooled to reduce thermal noise.) The amount of noise you have to listen to is more or less proportional to the width of the channel you're demodulating (the noise power spectrum varies with frequency, but it's a thermal curve that varies slowly across small frequency ranges). The more bandwidth you use, the wider your receiver filters have to be set, and the more noise comes in with your signal. Once you get to -1.7 dB signal/noise ratio, in principle your ability to tell signal from noise disappears (in practice we don't use encodings which give such a sharp cutoff, so your error rate starts heading up well above that).

    Using more bandwidth is pointless unless you have more power to push a signal. On a platform as power-limited as Spirit, ten KHz or so is about all that they appear to be able to use productively over the interplanetary link.

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  11. phased array by mercuryresearch · · Score: 4, Informative

    As others have pointed out, it's most likely a flat phased array antenna.

    There's a couple attributes that would make it attractive for a extraterrestrial application. They're very compact for the gain they provide, and within the limits of the design they can be electronically steered (that is, no moving parts). I would imagine they probably have a mechanical coarse steering mechanism and electronic fine steering.

    Sadly I can't seem to find any confirmation of this, just a few mentions of other spacecraft such as MESSENGER using phased array antennas.

    If you're really a radio newbie you should know that gain is how well the antenna concentrates the signal. An isotropic radiator basically receives/transmits signals in a perfectly spherical manner. By sacrificing the directional coverage you can increase the gain. A great example is a flashlight bulb -- uncovered it radiates almost everywhere; with a parabolic reflector it radiates a beam. When they talk about using the low gain and high gain antennas they're basically talking about the radiation pattern.

    You generally use low gain antennas for signal acquisition when you don't have control over where the antennas are going to be pointed. Once you know where everything is, you can point the high-gain antenna at the target. With more gain you have a better signal-to-noise ratio and can then crank up the data rates.

    Phased array antennas work essentially by combining a large number (an array) of simple low-gain antennas such that they add their signals together (in phase) in a particular direction. In other directions the signals don't add the same way and there's much less gain. At microwave frequencies like X-band (about 8 GHz), a simple dipole antenna is only about an inch long, so it's easy to put a bunch of dipole-equivalents in a small space to make an array.

  12. Re:It's the same kind used in mind control... by dougmc · · Score: 2, Informative
    What's nice about the patch antenna over the "cantenna" is its broad beamwidth.
    Just for the record, `broad beamwidth' is just another way of saying `low gain'.

    One attains `high gain' by having a narrow beamwidth. That's all `gain' means when referring to an antenna -- the narrower the beam, the higher the gain.

  13. FCC by Detritus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NASA gets its frequency allocations through the same process as other government agencies. The ITU makes international allocations. The FCC (civilian) and NTIA (military/government) make domestic allocations. The FCC and NTIA have to cooperate with each other on spectrum policy.

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  14. Re:Cluing you in... by fwc · · Score: 2, Informative
    > The best "patch" antenna on that page has 14 > dB of gain over isotropic (which almost nobody > bothers to make because isotropic antennas are > not generally useful on Earth; a much more realistic assessment is gain over a dipole)

    The reason why almost all non-ham-radio antennas are specified in dBi's (decibels over isotropic) instead of dBd's (decibels over a dipole) is that you use dBi's when computing a link margin instead of dBd's. If you use dBd's you will be off by at least 2dB per end or 4dB on a total link - or over half (or double if you look at it the other way) of your power.

    A isotropic antenna is basically a perfect omni. Imagine a perfectly round balloon (sphere shaped, not balloon shaped) A dipole (or any other antenna with gain) "squeezes" the balloon to make it "fatter" (higher gain) in the direction what the antenna is pointed. In the case of a dipole, the gain is increased by just over 2dB, making the "sphere" look like you had pushed in on opposite sides of the sphere (think sticking fingers in opposite sides of a balloon till they touch) causing the balloon/sphere to grow in diameter the other direction.

  15. FCC regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most US laws apply everywhere: remember Sklyarov?

    Mars now joins Venus as one of the few places where the US has a positive trade balance. [This is serious: when NASA imported the diamond window for one of the Mariner Venus spacecraft, they claimed exemption from customs duty because they were going to re-export it to Venus; and they got it, too].