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Filter-foiling Gibberish Becoming A Spam Staple

hcg50a writes "Wired has a story about the random words which have recently been appearing in spam. Antispam experts agreed that this isn't a brand-new technique, but said the addition of potentially filter-foiling gibberish is rapidly becoming a common component of spam."

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  1. gibberish... by gui_tarzan2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They keep spamming and we keep deleting... OH THE HUMANITY!

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    1. Re:gibberish... by flewp · · Score: 4, Funny

      I never delete my spam. Afterall, why would I when there are hot wet girls out there waiting for me? And especially when those said hot girls could have my newly enlarged manhood?

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    2. Re:gibberish... by Alyeska · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worse yet, they keep spamming, Someone keeps buying from spam.

  2. [ADV] by VAXGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

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    1. Re:[ADV] by zcat_NZ · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Reg!st3r h4s a r4th3r @mus!ng t@ke on teh wh0le situ.ation a$ weII.

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  3. Well... by i_am_syco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of the time that "random gibberish" comes in the form of a story or something. Hell, a while ago I got a spam that contained a few exerpts from The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe. I got a laugh of that one.

  4. Spamkiller doesn't care by Frisky070802 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My Mcafee Spamkiller ignores the white noise, and simply nukes all the mail containing viagra, etc.

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    1. Re:Spamkiller doesn't care by fo0bar · · Score: 5, Insightful
      My Mcafee Spamkiller ignores the white noise, and simply nukes all the mail containing viagra, etc.

      What good is that when somebody spams you for Gen3r@c v|agar@?

    2. Re:Spamkiller doesn't care by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that the big worry is about third party filtering. If I install a spam filter, that means that I don't want to see spam and am unlikely to buy something advertized therein. If my ISP installs a spam filter, it removes spam to everyone, including the idiots who might actually buy something from a spammer. Since my ISP theoretically might be using the same technology in their filter that I'm using in mine, it would still make sense for the spammer to work on defeating my filter.

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    3. Re:Spamkiller doesn't care by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The encoding V*I*A*G*R*A would break out to the letters V I A G R and A.

      V: 76.9% Spam score
      I: 47.2% spam score
      A: 68.8% spam score
      G: 72.2% spam score
      R: 72.2% spam score

      On balance, if I get a message with the individual "words" of V, I, A, G, R, and A, that's going to be leaning towards spam.

      That's the beauty of Bayesian. Anything the spammers do will eventually come back and bite them in the butt. Even some of the "random words" they are starting to use are getting high spam scores:

      WHEREUPON: 99.9999%
      NEOCONSERVATIVE: 99.9999%
      LIBERAL: 74.3%
      LIBERTY: 84.0%
      MEGATON: 99.9999%
      METHANE: 99.9999%

      These are just a few of the "random words" I found in recent spams and, interestingly, the random words they are using are actually INCREASING their spam probability.

      Statistically, it's a lost cause for the spammers, they just don't realize it yet.

    4. Re:Spamkiller doesn't care by letxa2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I get the same statistics as you with my SA install, most of it is given a BAYES_99 score. Unfortunately, many don't train their own filters, and this is rather effective against them.

      True. Although an obvious caveat of using Bayesian to filter is that you HAVE to train it. In the anti-spam service I use (see tagline) it defaults to NOT using Bayesian. If you turn Bayesian on it specifically sends you an email reminding you that you MUST train it or things will actually get worse.

      But you're right, a misused Bayesian filter might actually be worse than no Bayesian filter at all. But that's the case whether or not spammers insert random words.

      There are ways to poison Bayes-filters that are better than this, and that may well be effective. If you sit down and think about it, I'm sure you can think of something too. I'm not going to write them, because it will be too easy for spammers to implement. Fortunately, spammers are stupid, and that buys us some time, but we still need more options.

      Let's talk about them. We're not going to come up with anything that spammers can't come up with so I don't think we're going to make things any easier for them or give away the farm by discussing it publically.

      I personally have thought about it and I'm unaware of how they could poison Bayesian statistics. I only see two approaches, theoretically. 1) Make your spam get a lower Bayesian score so it gets through. 2) Make non-spam get a higher Bayesian score so it gets caught as a false positive.

      Approach #1: Short of going to the "spam of the future" predicted by Paul Graham, I don't see any way for spammers to really get a lower spam score.I've seen entire sections of the Constitution embedded in spam that still got a 98% spam score. The only way spammers are going to get a lower spam score is by doing things like using the names of my friends, using words related to topics I often discuss, etc. And that's just not possible. Like I said, they might get an occasional lucky shot but what gets through to me most probably won't get through to you. I just don't see any way for them to reliably get past a significant number of Bayesian filters.

      Approach #2: Poison the Bayesian stats such that non-spam mail gets tagged as spam. I'm pretty convinced this isn't possible, either. Again, they'd have to heavily use words that are specifically non-spam for the receiver such that the spam rating for those words increases so high that it is considered spam. But if the words are heavily used in both spam (trying to poison the stats) and non-spam, it's going to float to a middle position, like the word "THE" which has a 53.2% chance of being spam (and that's only because 92% of my mail is spam so a neutral word is usually slightly over 50%). But neutral words are completely ignored by Bayesian--only the "most interesting" are considered, those that are 99% spam or 1%--THOSE are the words that define whether or not the message gets scored as spam or not. Plus if they knew which words to poison, those are the same words they could use to get their spam past the filter to start with... so poisoning the filters is pointless anyway.

      I really don't see how they can get around it. I'd be interested in your views. If you really think it's dangerous to talk about it in public then let me know and I'll email you at your mangled address above. Is that your correct address?

  5. I don't get it, really by theRhinoceros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Most of the illegal-exploit spammers use hash busters and any other trick they can to get past filters, refusing to accept that people use spam filters because they really don't want spam," Linford added.

    I really understand this part: going after people who are taking active measures against your enterprise due to their disinterest. Why bother to market to them at all? Is the rate of return worth all the ill will, DOS attacks and legislation?

    1. Re:I don't get it, really by radicalskeptic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One reason is that ISPs, corporate servers, or some other body might have implemented the filtering, and not the one reading the mail.

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    2. Re:I don't get it, really by McDutchie · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why bother to market to them at all?

      In addition to living in their own criminally delusional world, spammers often don't spam for themselves but work for others. They get paid by their, er, client for each message sent, it doesn't matter to them whether it's wanted or not.

      Plus, there's always that .001% of suckers to keep the biz going if the cost of sending is close to zero.

    3. Re:I don't get it, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The technique also makes obvious the lie of their "we're just innocent entrepeneurs trying to make a buck" defense. Innocent entrepeneurs don't go out of their way to try to hack their data into other people's computers, past programs that are every bit as clear a sign of intent as a "No Soliciting" sign on your door.

      On every spam thread on Slashdot, there's someone complaining that technical measures won't solve the problem, and another saying legal measures won't solve the problem. The answer is that you need both: technical measures to assure the identity of the sender -- both spammer and sponsor -- as well as legal measures to provide for punishment.

    4. Re:I don't get it, really by Eosha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, spammers are not in the business of selling things to consumers. They are in the business of selling advertising space to other companies. As long as they can convince unscrupulous business owners that advertising via spam is worthwhile, the spam will continue.

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  6. It's not gibberish, it's steganography by phr1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are sending sekrit instructions to al-spamda about where to hide the weaponz of mass distraction. Or who knows. Any government efforts to control steganography (like reported just yesterday ) better go after spammers first, or we have to wonder what they're really up to.

  7. My Bayesian filter is slowing becoming a whitelist by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is so much crap flooding my inbox these days that the spam filter is slowly becoming a whitelist of my coworkers and a few external customers. Hardly anything else that comes in is worth the time to look at.

    I know that whitelists aren't the answer, but then nothing short of immediate execution of spammers is.

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  8. Bayes filters deal with it fine by sidney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paul Graham mentions the technique in this article, pointing out that the Bayesian filters look for words that commonly appear just in spam or just in non-spam. The random words are common in neither, so are simply ignored by the filters. As a technique, the random words would get past a filter that looks for some spammy to non-spammy word ratio. But that's not how the spam filters work.

  9. The problem with this technique by pclminion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The problem with this technique for foiling spam filters is that Bayesian filters only examine words which occur in the dictionary of commonly used words. A Bayesian filter is individually trained on your personal mail. If the "red herring" words in the spam don't occur in your personal dictionary, they will be ignored by the filter and have no impact on its decision.

    For example, take the word "Byzantine." This is a very non-spammish word. However, if you've never received a legitimate email containing the word "Byzantine," your Bayesian filter will not have it in its dictionary, and the word will be ineffective in "tricking" the filter. The red herring words only have an impact if they are relevent to your actual mail sample. Since everybody's email communication is different (some of us are programmers, some of us are literature majors, etc.), this is a real sledgehammer approach to defeating the filters -- and it's extremely ineffective.

    This technique just proves that spammers don't understand the theoretical underpinnings of current Bayesian anti-spam methods. Otherwise, they'd be using much more common words as red herrings, instead of these extremely rare, and therefore insignificant, words.

    I personally use a spam filter of my own design which is based on information-theoretic and neural network techniques. It kicks the shit out of spam, even the messages that include these stupid red herring words. The spammers once again prove that they are morons, incapable of understanding how anti-spam technology actually works.

    1. Re:The problem with this technique by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the attack is more subtle than you think. The value of a random-words attack lies in the long-term damage it does to adaptive filters, not in how well or poorly it does with fixed filters.

      When an adaptive filter sees a rare word in a spam, it is likely to assign that word high spamminess. Problem is, the next time you see that word is likely to be in a piece of ham, resulting in a false categorization of a piece of ham as spam. The user cost of such an assignment is very high, and so users will be forced to look at their junk mail...which is, after all, what the spammers want.

  10. Grammar Check and Spell Check... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution to randomness is to spell check and grammar check incoming e-mail, and consider violations as cause to ad points to the score indicating that it's spam-like.

    Sure, a few strange words might be a name that's not in the filter yet, but pure gibberish should be a red flag that either somebody's cat walked on the keyboard, or there's spam going on here. Heavy use of "non-spam" words can override to indicate it's good mail... but a poorly composed mail that doesn't use language seen in friendly mail is highly likely to be spam....

    1. Re:Grammar Check and Spell Check... by El · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't those same checks determine that 95% of /. postings are spam?

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  11. Parent post is not offtopic (steganography) by phr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Whoever modded it that way is a moron.

    Spam is a perfect carrier for steganographic data since it's broadcast to millions of people and nobody can fall under suspicion merely by receiving it. When the government wants to monitor people's communications to search for steganography, when they don't do anything about spam, the purpose of the monitoring is probably not the stated one.

  12. Different Techniques by kalidasa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article doesn't do a good enough job of explaining the different techniques in use.

    First, hash busters. Yes, spammers are loading a random jumble of meaningful words in meaningless sequences into their spam, usually in the plaintext message body of a message with HTML content (i.e., you get hash buster - html message with spam content - hash buster). So HTML-aware clients (the main clients targeted I'm sure are AOL and Outlook Express) show the spam message, but not the hash buster. I'm guessing that this is specifically targeting bayesian filtering tools at AOL (anyone know if AOL is using a bayesian filter?); it works by introducing words that would not be found in a spam corpus in greater numbers than those that would.

    Second, noisy spelling, like v1@gr@. Obviously this is also intended to defeat regex-based filters like spamassassin. If you vary your cliches enough, and you introduce very strange, but easy-for-a-human-reader-to-recognize spelling variants, you make it much more difficult for filter writers to write effective regexes.

  13. The real problem will be deliberate poisoning by Jerf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real problem will be when the spammers finally figure out how to deliberately poison the Bayesian filters. So far they're using more-or-less random words, but that won't really work against Bayesian; it can tolerate that.

    However, what constitutes "non-spam" is not as unique as most people think, as I've examined here. If they figure out how to deliberately put in hammy words, Bayesian will fall.

    I feel OK posting this because I freely admit to this point I've overestimated them; I'm sure spammers have read that piece, and to date they have been too stupid to figure out what I said in plain English. But sooner or later one of them is going to figure out.

    There's a strong core of "ham" that is "ham" for everybody, and sooner or later they're going to start abusing that.

    And if I may forstall one objection... "But you don't understand Bayesian, it's [awesome for some reason and can't be beat ever, by anybody]" - I'll listen when you've actually written a program to examine filters yourself, OK? I understand it pretty damn well. It'll take more then bald assertions to convince me I'm wrong, I've done actual research, in the original sense of the word.

  14. Slimier than slime . . . by mjprobst · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw one just yesterday that contained a list of important key sentences and phrases from the literature of common charities and political activism organizations.

    In other words, if your Bayesian filter accepts those, based on your past decisions, it will detect the spam. If you reject the spam, you reject these communications as well.

    Good filtering practice would dictate that one reads the junk box carefully enough to find both false positives and negatives. But the sheer bulk of mail that ends up in the junk box makes this unfeasible for many.

    I have started letting these particular kinds of spam through, manually categorizing them (many words of random strings, dictionary vocabulary attack, positive phrase attack) in the hopes that filtering technology will soon advance to the point where these can be used as inputs to a more intelligent system.

    Of course overhauling the mail system is a prerequisite to solving any of this long-term. For once I don't mind D. J. Bernstein's Internet Mail 2000 proposals. Of course there are other proposed systems, none of which has enough momentum to start a slow steady change. The end result of any non-consensus system will be to fragment the worldwide network of Email into competing, noncompatible systems that need to communicate through some kind of loophole or gateway. Back to FIDO-net days.

  15. You blew it. by raehl · · Score: 5, Funny

    You put Viagra in there in unaltered plain text.

  16. Just great... by El · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... now my Bayesian filter is throwing out all email from my Lewis Caroll quoting friends! Thanks a lot, spammers!

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  17. I see this too by rockwood · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've been using "SpamBayes Outlook Plugin" since a previous /. article talked about it.

    Agreeing with this article, over the past week or two I have seen excessive about of spam being missed by SpamBayes, even after marking them as spam for improved filter, they continue to hit the inbox whereas previous absolutely no spam made my outbox. Additionally, there may have only been 2 or 3 emails marked as possible spam when they were not. And zero items mark as definite spam that were not.

    SpamBayes has worked great previously, but now even it is falling short.

    I feel as the spammers manipulate the conents/context of the spam, it will eventually become impossible to determine the difference without physically looking at 500+ email daily.
    My primary use of email is business and not personal, therefore I cannot risk missing a client email, payment, question, etc... I've also see a progression of clients having MY emails deleted or caught in spam filters due to the business aspect and requests for payments. I feel this is primarily due to the comparison of too-often-common-phrases that a spam email and a business email contain. Such things as Click here to submit payment, or Buy these Products, Overdue etc... Even though all clients I email are only clients that contact me. I never cold-email anyone.

    More spammer are using this random text as the only text in the subject and body, and using an image as the content of their email, which makes scanning even more complicated, if not impossible.

    Being on the net prior to what is is today (going on 20 years), I often wonder how much control the spam actually has over the net in several aspects

    • If spam were to disappear, will overhead costs decrease that greatly in order for ISP's to pass along higher saving to the consumer?
    • If Spam were to disappear completely, how much faster would the Internet be?
    Has anyone ever done a study to determine how much effect spam has on degrading the net, and what would it be like if all spam was gone tomorrow?
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  18. Re:why not filter out 1337 sp3@k? by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why bother? A decently trained Bayesian filter will be able to recognize a spam that contains a misspelled word or two, or one that contains substitutions of similar characters. Then it will learn that those modified forms are a very strong indicator of spam. As Paul Graham (the main early advocate of Bayesian Filters) has pointed out, there are legitimate reasons why you might see a mention of "Viagra" in your email, but no legitimate reason that you would see "V1agra", "\/iagra", "Vi@gra", or the like. Instead of slipping by my Bayesian filter, those variants actually stand out as particularly strong spam indicators.

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  19. You'll laugh from it... by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    a while ago I got a spam that contained a few exerpts from The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe. I got a laugh of that one.

    ...never more ;- )

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  20. Re:Should be easy to block by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of them are using random word sequences; the random strings like xdwexe are not usually an important percentage of the overall text, no more than names might be. Besides, how large a corpus of "valid" words do you want to use? The OED weighs in at almost 0.5M; and then with another 0.5M uncatalogued scientific terms and neologisms, plus common mis-spellings and typos and jargon and dialect orthography (like our color, meter, checker, jail etc. for the Brits colour, metre, chequer, gaol) ...

    If you don't want to keep the entire corpus of "valid" words in your code, you're going to have to make some compromises. Maybe you'll want to exclude words like "thou," "hauberk," and "coney." Not so good if you're subscribing to an Early Modern Literature listserv.

    So you're going to need some logic to determine whether or not a "valid" word that occurs in a message is meaningful. Here's how one rather well known discussion of Bayesian filtering deals with this issue (of unknown words); this is precisely the logic that spammers with random meaningful words are exploiting:

    One question that arises in practice is what probability to assign to a word you've never seen, i.e. one that doesn't occur in the hash table of word probabilities. I've found, again by trial and error, that .4 is a good number to use. If you've never seen a word before, it is probably fairly innocent; spam words tend to be all too familiar.

    So, what if all the words are valid, but the sentences aren't? Grammar checkers involve a lot more logic than spellcheckers do, and are consequently a lot less accurate. Fact is, you can also fool a grammar checker filter: just pad with random quotations from novels, etc. instead of padding with random words or random misspelled strings.

    So the Bayesian approach of identifying spam and ham words is a pretty effective one, given the limitations.

  21. A method for removing spam from your life. by crazyphilman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's old fashioned, and some of you will probably make fun of me for using it, but hey, I'm old school. FYI, here's my method:

    1. Create manual spam filters (NOT beyesian filters) in your inbox called "Friends and Family", "Work", "Services", "logfiles", and any others you find you need. Each category applies to a broad type of email address you'll receive email from. Then create a subdirectory in your inbox for each of these filters (named the same way, naturally).

    2. For each filter, build a list of people who are allowed to email you. For example, your ISP, your bank, and your phone company would probably be added to services. Just add the email address they send their messages from to the list.

    3. For each filter, have the filter move messages matching the filter (From equals ) to the correct subdirectory for the filter. Then stop processing for that message, so it doesn't get interpereted by other filters. Think of this as an analogy for ipfilter or ipfw in your firewall setup -- only you're filtering emails instead of packets.

    4. Finally, DELETE EVERYTHING ELSE in the very last filter.

    You USE this approach by doing a quick scan of the deleted items folder to see if anything is interesting. If not, just clean out those deleted items. It's a one step operation, much easier than selectively deleting a hundred emails one at a time.

    Then, you scan each of the folders you set up, IF the folder has picked up an email, focusing only on your REAL email.

    This approach has saved me a HUGE amount of work lately. My life is a whole lot easier, and it's way easier than trying to train a Beyesian filter. If I don't know you, you can't get too much of my attention.

    It's all about being on the list, sort of like getting into a nightclub... ;)

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  22. Simple trick that is semi-efficient by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just block the domain name/ip of the hosted images. Most spams I get come from random IPs but usually have common IP/domain name for the hosted images e.g.

    hostz300001.com/ads/viagra.jpg

    Or whatever. I've cut down from 50 spams to about 3 or so a day by doing that.

    I bet a bayesian filter would work nicer but unfortunately I'm too lazy to mod the mail setup [that isn't mine] to get one installed..

    Tom

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  23. Re:why not filter out 1337 sp3@k? by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1337 speak isn't a big deal. It's definitely filterable.

    I've begun seeing chunks of text appearing in messages that are like legitimate mini-messages in and of themselves. Sort of like a counter weight. I don't think the aim is to pound Spam through the filters now, because what's happening is spam is getting slightly lower ratings each time while legitimate messages are getting slightly higher ratings.

    In other words, the spam probably won't ever be legitimate, but it's making me lower my threshold for what is spam more and more. Eventually, I'll get to the point where some legit messages will cross over into being labeled as spam and spam will go through legit because the thresholds will be so close together as to practically overlap. It's also killing my ability to keep a spam trap that I can use to quickly train filters.

    Whether this scene will actually play out and the "plot" will be succesful or not remains to be seen, however.

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  24. Bigger beavers are the very reason for enlargement by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've also had some Alice, but today I learned about North American beavers. I had no idea they were so large.

    That's exactly why you need to ENL4R9E `/U0R P3N1S!!!1!1 because North American women have 1arqer beavers and thus require a bigegr PE/\/i5 to st!mu1ate them.

  25. Re:What I don't understand by he-sk · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's the text/plain part you see. The "advertisement" is in the text/html part.

    I was very irritated by that, too, until one day I was testing the HTML viewer of an e-mail client.

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  26. Re:why not filter out 1337 sp3@k? by NickDngr · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you can write me a regex that filters that out 80% of the time with 0 false positives, i will pay you 6 figures a year to sit on a chair in my museum as one of life's "mysteries".

    Pay me six figures a year and I will sit in a chair and do it for you manually.

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  27. Re:What I don't understand by berzerke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    [What I don't understand about this type of spam is that often it doesn't contain any actual advertisement, just three or four lines of random words, and the end of the email right there.] Actually I was viewing the source of the whole email, not the text part.

    I too see this sometimes. You're not crazy (at least with regards to this). I've looked at the full source, but still can't figure out what the goal is. My best guess is either they are fishing for bounces (ok, these are bad addresses; the ones that don't bounce may be good addresses), or the spamming software has a problem (bug or is misconfigured).

  28. Gibberish, or code? by cr0sh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I, too, have noticed these seemingly random words that seemed to have nothing to do with the main text of the spam. I have also noticed the "gibberish words". One of my thoughts was that it was for defeating or bypassing bayesian filters - and likely, that is the case. But my thoughts turned to another possible use...

    What if spam and the spammers software - was actually being used by a third party in a surepticious manner to send/receive messages? Kinda like plaintext stego. Maybe the software used by spammers is backdoored by this third party - he sends instructions to the machine(s), maybe via a virus or something simpler, the spammers send their messages, but "unknown" to them the spams have this garbage at the end. The spammer doesn't really care, maybe he bitches at whatever passes as tech support for the spam software. Most people who recieve the spam see the stuff as garbage, or filter busters. But a certain group of the third party's friends - they have special email software that downloads these spams, and strips the garbage out, decodes it, and reassembles it into the real message. Maybe each spam only contains the equivalent of a couple of characters after decoding (maybe the garbage is actually packets telling order in the sequence, and other info to reconstruct the message) - but over a week or so, an entire message could be sent...

    What is the possibility of that? Occam's Razor suggests otherwise, and filter busters are probably what the stuff is - but...what if...?

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  29. Re:What I don't understand by ElectricRook · · Score: 5, Informative
    I hope to hell they're fishing for non-bouncing addresses, because at the moment any email which SpamAssassin says is spam, I bounce.

    Don't ever do that, all spam has forged headers. You're just making life hard on someone who had their address sold.

    I work for a big company, an icon the the computer business. Our mail servers get spammed a lot. We often have typical user names grafted onto the From or Reply lines. Since my user name is pretty damn common, and some of my work mail aliases are TLAs, I look at a lot of spam. When I read the headers (in a text file, not easily spoofed mail software), almost always the senders domain is not even close to the domain of the spamming machine. Go put the IP addresses into dnsstuff.com, and compare that to the hostname. These turds hack the sendmail.cf file of the spamming machine. "SallySmith@aol.com" probably did not send spam-mail from a ".kr" ISP.

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