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SCO Wants to License Europe

MacEnvy writes "It looks like SCO isn't letting up - they've decided to expand their war on Linux to other countries. According to Internet Week, the company will be offering its Intellectual Property License in the UK and other European countries starting February 1. Whether Europeans will buy the licenses has yet to be seen." Motley Fool has chipped in on SCO's chances.

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  1. BBC News site has it too by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The BBC has the news as the lead article under the Techology section, which means it's linked off the front page. It's largely a "state of play" article, but does makes the point that SCO has already tried this in the US and had few takers and is yet to sue. Doesn't take much reading between the lines to see they are saying "don't bother paying", without compromising their neutrality... ;)

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  2. Page breaks or spaces are nice...you retard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    A list of the transactions taken by SCO's top brass since December is very telling.
    Sell, sell, sell.

    1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $213,138.00

    1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Open Market Sale proceeds of $210,189.59

    1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $13,261.92

    12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $173,400.00

    12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $174,860.00

    12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 25,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $371,500.00

    12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Open Market Sale proceeds of $100,190.25

    12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $7,436.80

  3. The best lines from Motley Fool by cpn2000 · · Score: 3, Informative
    SCO (the software maker formerly known as Caldera) has been shaking down Linux providers ...

    ... with the entire computing world putting its money behind Linux, it appears that, for SCO, the apocalypse is now.

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  4. Re:SUSE by NetCow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Novell has acquired SUSE, and Novell already contributes to the OSDL fund.

  5. Re:SCO is licensing Europe? by Handpaper · · Score: 3, Informative
    woman with a British accent
    Do you have any idea how many accents are in use in the British Isles? You can make a close (within 50 miles) guess at where somebody grew up just by listening to them for a few minutes. It's like the US in microcosm. There are Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western (Wales and Cornwall, not Texas) accents, they all sound funny to each other, and are instantly distinguishable. Not even 10% of women here sound like Angelina Jolie ( more's the pity)

  6. Re:The real news here... by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scox sold baystar/rbc 2.9 million shares at $16.93 a share. If the share price drops $1 a share to $15.93, then scox got $1 more per share, than the shares are worth. Scox made $1 per share, or $2.9 million.

    I guess.

  7. Re:Is this stock typical? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Informative

    This leaves me wondering just how many other stocks out there are rated so highly based off of a hope and prayer? Is the entire system this easily manipulated?

    The buy/sell system has been manipulated for the last decade. Flip through some back issues of the financial rags and you'll see all sorts of articles related to the "chinese-wall" between different sides of the investment banks. Basically, analysts have been known to promote stocks that the other side of the company is either IPO'ing or would make a tidy profit if the stock goes up.

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  8. Re:The real news here... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 4, Informative


    The only way Nasdaq will begin delisting procedures is if a stock has traded for under $1 a share for 30 days. This post explains more about how this process works. There are things a company can do to prevent delisting, but for the most part it is inevitable for stocks that trade at $1 a share long term.

  9. Re:SCO's just the diversion, what' really going on by Artifakt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nah, you're paranoid enough for two, but you're possibly right. However the answer is not to panic, but to figure out what the hidden part is.
    1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
    2. There could be problems throughout SCOs parent, the Canopy Group. That could lead to another stock market scandle as big as Enron (SCO by itself is much smaller), but it's not particularly related to Linux, and most slashdotters are either unaffected, or just need to check their retirement fund account to make sure it's not vested, not just in SCO, but not heavily in SCO's sister corporations. If that actually turns out to be true, I'll give you a pat on the back for being just paranoid enough.
    So, if you wanted to look up the Canopy Group's holdings, and see if others are involved in lots of lawsuits, etc. You could maybe either allay your fears or prove you were right.

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  10. Re:Is this stock typical? by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm surprised it would say Average. Even the Deutsch Bank shill who was trying to pump the price last summer after BayStar gave SCO $50 million said that the stock was highly risky and would likely be worth nothing if SCO lost their lawsuit against IBM. All of the SCO shills, such as Yankee Group, say that the stock is a gamble, but that it will become extremely valuable if SCO prevails. What they severely underestimate (or just lie about) is the likelyhood of SCO losing in court.

  11. Re:Ugh stop this cliche by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative
    Every Frenchman claims that they, their parents or their grandparents were in Le Resistance. If there were really that many people in the Resistance, they would have kicked the Germans out in a couple of weeks. Sorry, but the "meme" of the French folding in WWII is absolutely true.


    I don't necessarily think the meme of the French sucking in combat is true - at various points in time, they have had a formidable fighting force, and all joking aside, they have won many other historical engagements. But there is no argument that in World War II, many of the French didn't really have the spirit to resist the Germans, and saw the Germans as brothers. Frankly, many French didn't really disagree with much of what the Nazi party stood for either.


    And though there were quite a few brave Resistance fighters, they were a tiny, tiny fraction of the population of France.

  12. Re:Unlikely that Europeans will buy into this scam by be-fan · · Score: 1, Informative

    the USA is highly regarded as the cradle of modern democracy
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    That's a load of crock. Great Britain is the cradle of modern democracy. Ever since the early 1700s, the rule of Parliament has been supreme.

    The model in the United States is a very nice refinement of the idea, but the British were a good way along the process before the US was ever founded.

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  13. Re:The real news here... by akruppa · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm guessing that this is why they're goint to Europe... They're hoping that their name isn't completely trashed there (yet).

    It is. Everybody knows all about it, it's been in the computer and business related media all over, no less than it was in the US. As a point of reference, try one of the recent articles at the Heise Newsticker, which a lot of Germans read. The link section at the end of the article refers to previous news articles on SCO by Heise, and should give a good impression on the extent of the coverage.

    Alex

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  14. Re:Ugh stop this cliche by Dionysus · · Score: 2, Informative

    First time the US army met the German army, the US army lost (in North Africa). After that battle, the Allied commanders always made sure that they had at least 2-1 superiority in manpower and firepower.

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  15. Re:Unlikely that Europeans will buy into this scam by gotw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because it doesn't have a constitution all in one place, doesn't mean that it doesn't have one. See

  16. Re:SCO's just the diversion, what' really going on by ndqc · · Score: 2, Informative
  17. Re:Ugh stop this cliche by BoneFlower · · Score: 2, Informative

    How about World War I. 18 miles outside of Paris the French army was in full retreat, and told the US Marine officers heading to the front to give up, there was absolutely no chance of saving Paris. The 4th Marine Brigade stopped the German advance cold.

    THAT is cowardice. WWII, perhaps not, but WWI, they were cowards who were less dedicated to protecting their own capital city than a few thousand Americans were.

    There was also the absolute incompetence(though they were not cowards there) at Dien Bien Phu, which they could have won.

  18. Re:Ugh stop this cliche by BoneFlower · · Score: 2, Informative

    As Field Marshall Rommel said, no nation goes to war more incompetently than the United States, but no nation ends a war better than the United States. We might not keep the lessons very long, but we learn them quickly.

  19. Re:The real news here... by Krow10 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I know you probably know this, but Germany has rendered itself (at least temporarily) immune to SCOX's European licensing initiative, since SCOX is now under an injunction not to make their claims in Germany thanks to LinuxTag's suit. I have written emails to the authors of a few of the articles on the topic SCOX's European efforts asking why they fail to mention the German injunction. The one response I received indicated that reference to the suit had been removed during the editorial process. I suggest that everyone bring this (nearly universal) omission to the attention (politely) of the authors and editors of these articles. As always, include a link (or reference to) a news source; I have used http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/lin ux/story/0,10801,84564,00.html in my emails. As it stands, most of the articles are reports on the claims made in SCOX press releases, occasionally with mention of the IBM suit.

    Cheers,
    Craig

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  20. Re:The Germans were *not* "vastly superior" by relrelrel · · Score: 2, Informative

    You, sir, are simply incorrect.

    No one had better tanks than the Germans. The British ones were continually evolving, and Britain was always used to crushing opponents in the sea, and later the air. The Tiger Tanks were the best around, period, until the end of the war. Even the American Sherman Tanks were far inferior, and could only launch a successful assault in huge numbers which came over from Britain in their hundreds every day, they simply didn't have the armour or offensive weapons aboard.

    The combined air forces of Britain and France was about half that of the Germans. Hell, when the Germans occupied France they had 4 times the planes that Britain had, however, British planes were far superior with that of the Spitfires.

    The French folded becauseo of their weak goverment. They simply gave up, but they could easily have fought on for months. The French gave up while there was still British ships in French waters, British troops in France, and British planes in their skies.

    The ships had to get out, fast, with no warning. The men had to escape to the beaches (Dunkirk) where they were showered down with bullets from the attacking Luftwaffe, hoping to be rescued (they eventually were, but no thanks to the French) and the planes had to hear that the Luftwaffe were minutes away and they better steer their planes towards the English coast, regardless or fuel, or they're dead.

    The French didn't even think of Britain, which meant Britain left over half of its' fighting power in France on the day German tanks rolled across the country-side.

    Simple put, the French folded and didn't even think of the British who were there fighting for France, which meant a weaker Britain, which meant a weak Europe.

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