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Digital Rights Managment Year in Review

zjango writes "DRM Watch is a great source for the ongoing monitoring of Digital Rights Management issues and news. They've put out a useful 2003 year in review for DRM across several categories that Slashdot readers will likely find of interest. It is a look back at the year's significant trends in DRM technology, along with some predictions for 2004 and beyond."

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  1. DRM is wrong. by reub2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    20 years from Sony vs. Universal, fair use is going the way of the dodo.

  2. My prediction by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM will increasingly cause problems for normal users. For those who copy the content nothing will change. Normal users will then begin to copy a lot more content.

    A few nasty laws will undoubtably be made when the govern ... er.. corporations realise DRM isn't working to keep there high prices.

    1. Re:My prediction by rcpitt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Hmmm... you stole my topic :)

      Harken back to the days of laser-drilled holes in floppy diskettes and wierd formats and such - and the backlash of the software users against the producers that in no small part ended up with the engendering of the Open Software movment. It put some vendors out of business because so many of their customers had such troubles getting replacement disks when their machines ate the original and put their own businesses at risk (or affected the game playing time).

      The customer is king - and the vendors (including the associations like RIAA) are going to have to get used to the fact that the customer won't put up with any problem that causes them to have to stand in line for a return or wait on hold for hours to get a new key or whatever.

      "Anti-piracy" measures don't protect against wholesale piracy - they just piss off the end customer.

      "I paid for this CD (DVD, download, whatever) and if I can't listen to the music on it whenever I want, wherever I want, with no hassles, then I'll either get an unlocked copy or I will purchase something else and I'll return this for a full refund and shout at the clerk while I'm doing it." I can just hear the CEO of a major retail store telling his suppliers that he holds them personally responsible for the increase in return rate on DVDs and CDs and the fact that 100% of his frontline people refuse to talk to irate customers anymore.

      DRM in the consumer world (not the intra-corporate - different story) will not fly unless and until the purveyors of the content ensure that the consumer not only accepts that what they are purchasing is limited in some way, but that the limiting mechanism never intrudes for the life of the product. This means for example, that it will be fine with most consumers if their copy is personally watermarked such that copies (if any) can be traced back to the original but if the copy is in the posession of the original purchaser there will be no repercussions and if it is in the posession of someone else, the original purchaser will not be impacted (Caveat emptor); and there is no automated way that the publisher or anyone else can know when and where the purchaser plays the work (or watches the video or reads the e-book or...) i.e. no monitoring.

      "Quiet enjoyment" is what they need to achieve.

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      and didn't get it
  3. DRM here on /. by aredubya74 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Digital Rights Managment Year in Review

    Apparently, someone has patented proper spelling of the word "management", so /. invented its own hacked spelling. Fight the power!

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    1. Re:DRM here on /. by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Funny

      Digital Rights Managment is how I arrange papers on my refrigerator.

  4. "Dominated by Microsoft"? by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How could they possibly discuss online music and DRM in 2003 and not mention Apple and the ITMS? This may be the most significant product in the growth of legal online music yet released. It's far more popular than any of its competitors, and much more friendly to its users, and yet the online music scene is "dominated by Microsoft". I can't decide if they deliberately left it off because they hate Apple or if they're just stupid/uninformed.

    1. Re:"Dominated by Microsoft"? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe they left it out because it is largely transparent to the user. I would guess that once your three computers are 'authorized', you will rarely see it restrict you under normal circumstances.

    2. Re:"Dominated by Microsoft"? by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Informative


      Yeah, seriously. Apple's AAC "protected" files were the only DRM encoded media I bought last year, and probably the only DRM media most people bought last year, and it doesn't even get name-checked? Sloppy.

      For most people, I think the more restrictive DRM schemes will be like the advertising monsters of Springfield -- "just don't look, just don't look". Nobody liked DiVX (the circuit city kind) and it went away.

      ~jeff

    3. Re:"Dominated by Microsoft"? by sirReal.83. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. They most likely left it out because they own an iPod and have already bent over to its DRM. I've got friends that do this - despise DRM but pay through the nose for an iPod and think they're getting a deal with iTMS.

      /me sheds a silent tear for integrity

  5. Just a thought, not a lecture by ten000hzlegend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all for DRM in '04 maturing into say... half a dozen vendors such as Apple and even Microsoft, all with relatively different filetypes for distribution and end-user benefits

    I am worried about Microsoft though *No, not flaming*

    Windows Media is a robust system for music and video quality, being a Mac user myself, I use it regularly alongside AAC but the fact Microsoft in the last few months have used the Windows format as basically an excuse to try and monopolize on key aspects of the up and coming DRM race is distressing, Apple were the first company to introduce a fair play DRM, the first to provide a quality end user service, Microsoft for one are pushing vendors into Windows Media Format, making it integral to Longhorn and beyond, this not only encompasses the OS but any app ran on it, for me... I excuse that I'm not the most privvy to reading up more closely on DRM, but I do feel Microsoft are up their old tricks again regarding DRM

    1. Re:Just a thought, not a lecture by wfberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows Media is a robust system for music and video quality

      In what way exactly? Its audio codecs add positively nothing to what's out there, its video codecs may be slightly ahead of the curve compared to standards-based mpeg 4, but nothing to sneeze at compared to DivX or any of the other high quality lowbitrate codecs. The default settings in their encoders encourage producing crappy "streaming" video files which don't allow for fastforwarding or reversing (unless you re-encode them), I haven't had much luck with the container formats (ASF and WMV files always end up giving me trouble somehow, even if it's just getting the right player to open them).. And don't get me started on streaming stuff on webpages which won't open in a separate player, way too much UI going on, again no ffwd/rwd - all other streaming video gear (yes, QT, winamp, and even real) are much better (though real has even more stupid ads embedded in it).

      It's no wonder that most films on kazaa end up as divx encoded .avi files (and the kazaahounds have the widest possible choice of codecs since they don't even pay any license fees), (S)VCD being number two (for interoperability with DVD players)..

      I can go for days of intensively downloading "funny movies" from weblogs without seeing a single good quality ASF/WMV, but see hundreds of just fine MPEG, AVI(typically DIVX) and MOV (yes, apple quicktime, usually sorensen) files.

      If anyone knows what's so good about windows media files, please tell me.. Seriously..

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  6. DRM for all! by WebTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, it seems like this issue is definitely not going away, despite what many might wish. Naturally, it will be implemented and at first some people will whine about the annoyances, but nobody will actually do anything to stop the widespread adoption of DRM (who could possibly succeed?).

    Looks like Sony and Philips will bring the noise with their InterTrust acquisition. What technology was InterTrust developing? How might it be implemented in electronics? Are we going to see some sort of digital signature type of authentication or encryption occuring between devices (e.g., a DVD player and a computer)? Or between a HDTV and a DVD recorder or PVR?

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    1. Re:DRM for all! by WebTurtle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree in principle; I should be able to "vote" with my dollars for whichever technological solution I prefer. In fact, I can and do. However, the note of dismay present in my post reflects my resignation to the fact that no amount of voting with dollars is going to prevent DRM from being implemented by the major corporations like Sony and Philips or whoever. Sure, 5 years from now when ever consumer device is DRMed there may still be a handful of independent online or hardware based vendors offering non-DRM products, but it's going to be a rare thing and an uncertain climate for those vendors.

      Voting with dollars in the case of DRM hasn't been working so far, and there is no reason to think that it will succeed in stemming the tide of legislation or manufacturer implementations.

      One could theorize on the reasons for this, such as the fact that ultimately Capitalism isn't about doing what's "fair", "right", or "best for the consumer" -- it's about doing what makes a company the most money: and so far, companies perceive potential and imagined lost revenue caused by P2P etc. to be far greater than lost revenue resulting from a few idealistic Slashdot readers buying competitors' non-DRMed products or using competitors' non-DRMed services. In the minds of large corporations, those competitors are tiny small fry that can be safely ignored for now, or can be easily purchased or crushed later if they become a threat.

      I do not purchase DRM products or use DRM services out of principle, and I will continue not to do so, but I am skeptical of how long such options will exist and whether my "vote" will make any difference at all in the end. My guess is "not long" and "not much", respectively. However, as an idealistic individual, I'll try anyway.

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  7. Just accept that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM is impossible. And stop wasting millions on chasing a rainbow that is mathematically, computationally, logically _impossible_ . There will never be a working copy protection system. News about stupid companies failed (or doomed) attempts to do this are just getting sad.

    1. Re:Just accept that by deitel99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately this isn't the case. In future your computer will contain an additional chip (the "fritz" chip) which is able to regulate the flow of information only through "trusted" programs, OSes and hardware. It will recieve encrypted keys from the provider of the media which then allow it to decrypt the media itself. Assuming that you are unable to physically break into the chip, or to break the encrypted connection going from the chip to the media provider, then you will not be able to put the digital signal into a program which isn't trusted, such as a program to save the digital information into another file.

      I also thought it was mathematically, computationally, logically _impossible_ but then I attended a talk explaining how the system would work, and I have to admit there is very little we can do about it. Even if you are able to break into the chip and copy some media you don't have the rights to copy, you will be caught because the version sent to you will have your identity recorded somewhere within it.

      One of the more interesting things is that it is possible to get open source applications "trusted" so you can use DRM under Linux. However, if you modify a program, recompile it and attempt to use it, the fritz chip will notice and refuse to decrypt the media for you. Nasty

    2. Re:Just accept that by rhetoric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like I posted in this thread, DRM for AUDIO seemed to me to be impossible. There will always exist devices for recording and playing back analog audio. You can't stop someone from copying sound. Then I realized I'm a moron (you already knew that, I got modded +4 Insightful) and that DIGITAL Rights Management != copy protection. It's just that: controlling what you can do with DIGITAL audio. Which is quite possible and seemingly inevitable given the amount of control those who would like it implemented have. Once you're not able to play unprotected media on your machine, which won't boot if you install an OS without these restrictive features because of something coded in your hardware, then this is really possible. Trusted computing is just what DRM needs. So I thought.. well at least they can never achieve true copy protection with audio, thanks to the nature of sound. Here I don't think I'm wrong, but the future still seems bleak. They CAN "watermark," or "fingerprint," tracks, and make analog equipment ridiculously obsolete - ie quit making it, so people have to make their own or pay ludicrous amounts for old equipment - so for most people it isnt worth the effort, and unfortunately that's what I think will eventually happen.

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    3. Re:Just accept that by starsong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is indeed scary, but ONLY if ALL computers sold incorporate the chip. In a free market, this would never happen, because people are willing to pay a little extra for a non-crippled computer. What's more scary is if it becomes legally mandated. Ever try to plug a DVD player into your VCR to watch a movie? You can't because CONGRESS (you know, the people YOU elected to run YOUR country) mandated that the gain-control chip in VCRs be intentionally flawed, in order to respond to the Macrovision copy-protection in the video signal.

      All Congress has to do is pass a law requiring "compliance" chips in all new computers. For a while you can probably get around this by importing stuff from other countries, but eventually they may simply ban possession of such equipment.

      Fortunately, you can do something about it; use the democratic process in the way that the founders intended. Make it clear that you and your community won't stand for any more of this bullsh*t, and make it clear to your congresscritter that they're out of a job if they don't listen to the people.

    4. Re:Just accept that by SiliBelgian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In a free market, this would never happen, because people are willing to pay a little extra for a non-crippled computer.

      Computers with a TPM (Trusted Platform Module) will be marketed to be better, not crippled, because they will supposedly make an end to virusses and spam. Somehow I think the companies selling computers will be reluctant to say it will also make an end to your personal freedom.

      All Congress has to do is pass a law requiring "compliance" chips in all new computers. For a while you can probably get around this by importing stuff from other countries, but eventually they may simply ban possession of such equipment.

      They might just do that. I even think it was Congress itself asking the industry to develop a DRM system that can't be circumvented that lead to the development of TPM's.

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  8. Take the hint! by anarchima · · Score: 4, Interesting

    2003 was a terrible year for copy protection for physical media. DVD piracy abounded, thanks to the selection of the weak CSS copy protection scheme, whose primary advantage seems to be low unit cost for the DVD player makers who designed it. Attempts to foment copy protection schemes for audio CDs were mostly laughable.

    People break these things because ordinary folks don't want them! I think the music industry should take a hint from their consumers, stop throwing millions of dollars at R&D for Digital "Rights" Management and instead try to work out a sustainable digital media strategy (i.e. ITunes and high-quality downloads etc.). How long (and how much wasted money) before they figure this just isn't going to work out?

  9. I prefer to call it... by kirun · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't like the name DRM, it's misleading. If all it involved was proper management of rights, no problem. However, it's a little one-sided.

    I think the name Capability Removal by the Author of Media Products, or CRAMP is much more accurate. Want to CRAMP your PC? I didn't think so.

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  10. DRM = Digital Restrictions Management by CritterNYC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM is Digital Restrictions Management, and we should always refer to it as such, especially when writing OpEd pieces or online articles about it. Perhaps we'll have better luck than the casinos and "gaming".

    Oh, Lord, what should I do?
    Keep gaming.
    What?
    It means gambling... keep gambling.
    Oh! Righty-O!

    1. Re:DRM = Digital Restrictions Management by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Media conglomerates think that software which manages their rights is called Digital Rights Management software, but software that manages our rights is called theft tools or the like.

      I wouldn't be opposed to calling it Digital Rights Management as long as all software which helps people manage their rights is called Digital Rights Management software. DeCSS, for example, is Digital Rights Management software. It helps owners of DVDs manage their digital rights (rights to their private property, fair use rights, etc...).

      It makes just as much sense to call CSS a theft tool as it does to call DeCSS digital rights management software.

  11. When are people going to wake up? by xyxy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the float-up-the-DRM-balloon phase, most average people aren't likely to react. And that's fine. Right now, all it does is enable the use/play of protected content. And, as noted many times in this discussion thread and in the article itself, it's an add-on to the OS. Don't want it? Don't use it. However, we've seen many instances of MS rolling an add-on into a service pack and then requiring that the service pack be installed for any future updates. It's then possible to enable the DRM package to restrict the legitimate use of non-protected content and/or software because the end-user won't have any other choice. MS will be holding all the cards. But I think that this will be their undoing. If an unwitting user was able to use unprotected content both with and without the patch, then can't after MS sends the kill-code to the DRM package, most people will simply say that their computer is broken. They won't know that the DRM software is to blame unless someone tells them. And if a user's computer is "broken" due to some patch that was installed for them by MS, you can bet that those people will start looking for alternatives. Add all of that to the bad publicity MS will get about being "Big Brother", and more and more users will start to think of alternatives to MS software. (Ok, they've already started getting that reputation on their own with the Product Activation snafu, but it certainly doesn't help their situation.) The first likely route an affected customer will go is to buy a Mac, assuming that there's $1500 or more to spend in the family budget. Another option may or may not be Linux. It very much depends on how much it has progressed in terms of instant usability (can the family make the transition with little- to no difficulty?), and whether or not money is an issue. But I bet that Apple might step in at some point and start offering it's own OS to upset owners of "broken" PCs as an alternative. That is, of course, assuming that they even want to release it for the ix86 chipset to begin with. My fingers are crossed.

    1. Re:When are people going to wake up? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Informative

      restrict the legitimate use of non-protected content and/or software

      No, that is NOT Microsoft's plan. They know that would cause outrage and backlash. They are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.

      Microsoft goes to great lengths to explain that Trusted Computing will place NO restrictions on non-protected content and non-protected software. It's standard Microsoft Embrace-and-Extend. They embrace all existing content and software it will all work fine on the new Trusted machines.

      Trusted computing only restricts the legitimate use of new protected content and new protected software and new protected websites. If you don't have a Trusted machine then you can't use the new content at all, you can't even install the new software, and you only get an error message of you go to the new websites.

      The Trusted machine is not crippled at all when using it with the old non-protected stuff. Trusted machines are only crippled when using the new protected stuff, but non-Trusted machines don't work at all with the new protected stuff.

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  12. What's Negative about this ? by leoaugust · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Negative Developments

    2003 was a terrible year for copy protection for physical media.

    What's negative about this ? I think this was the best part of last year.

    In related news, P2P file sharing seems to have picked up again ...

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  13. The hardware front... by lenski · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Nothing in the article about how sales of "secure" digital media exceeded the sales of compact flash in 2003. The reason *I* am interested in this disturbing trend is the decreasing availability of media accessible to my open-source OS workstation.

    My Palm Tungsten has a SD/MMC slot, MultiMedia cards are becoming unavailable, SD cards are all over the place, and there are *no* open-source drivers for the restricted SD media.

    Naturally, I would *welcome* being wrong. does anyone in the community know of a way to use SD media in a Linux or other open-source OS context? I know the SD protocol seems to be available only under NDA and with some sort of fee structure, but it's possible that a driver exists somewhere.

    1. Re:The hardware front... by bhtooefr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do it with a bit of organized crime. Get a BUNCH of people from various countries in, then get the spec, and send the specs into international waters, then write the driver from there, and upload it to the least restrictive country possible. Why use many people? Simple - it's so that they can't trace it to anyone person. The part about international waters is so that you wouldn't get in nearly as much trouble. Now, you might have to run a profitable front for this to happen (enough to buy the SD protocol spec several times over, and buy a seaworthy boat and satellite transmission equipment, so your front might have to have it's own front), but it would work very well in the end. There is also reverse-engineering the protocol, which would actually fall under reverse-engineering for interoperability, which is legal under the DMCA. However, your driver would have to be closed-source to be safe, and coated in DRM.

    2. Re:The hardware front... by jayteedee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would like to see a source that shows SD exceeding compact flash. I thought it was a good year because Sony is finally (partially) giving up their Memory Stick format and putting compact flash into some of their cameras and PDAs. Kodak did switch to SD in many of their cameraa, but also appears to be loosing market share - NOT saying a causation, maybe just coincidence, but I used to like the Kodak cameras, but only recommend compact flash for any device since it's been around and will be around for quite a while. SD cards are all over the place (just like smart media used to be), but so is CF and in much larger sizes/better prices. Spread the word!

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  14. DRM Devlopments by Iplaw-dc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fortunately, current intellectual property law remedies digital infringement allowing petetioners to cover the costs of litigating the violators, so long as creators secure these protections through the Copyright Office and or the USPTO. Having worked for major media companies, we are able to go after infringers as well as prevent parties from infringing upon our rights. One criticism of this process is that it takes a lot of people to preemptively protect digital content. Most companies using the digital mediums release products to millions of people all over the world and only have 20 lawyers overseeing the rights. Companies are relying on software to keep track of ip rights, still the legal minds making the calls and entering the information, which later is shared with thousands of internal clients, are taxed by the level of responsibilty and the lack of investment companies put into the number of people monitoring the IP assets. Hopefully, companies will create a larger budget in their legal departments and employ enough IP specialists who know how to protect the assets through the regulations and not simply rely on software/digital services to protect them, that is unless, the software can represent their interests in negotiations and court.

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  15. Get the name right by rmohr02 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM is not "Digital Rights Management"--it does nothing to protect anyone's rights. For one, companies who produce software/music/movies have their rights protected by copyright already. "Digital Restrictions Management" is much more accurate--it does nothing in regard to the rights of the company, but restricts the rights of the user.

  16. DRM... by elFarto+the+2nd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Digitally Managing YOUR Rights...

  17. Windows RMS by MadMirko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The development in the corporate DRM space that threatens to overshadow all of the above is Microsoft's release of Windows Rights Management Services (RMS) for Windows Server 2003

    Which "shadow" are they talking about? I'm responsible for a moderatly sized MS-network (about 1500 PCs and a 100-odd servers), and RMS is the next thing on my "to implement" list, because it will save me from clueless management people. We have had such a person kill (file system-)security by taking a file from a managemt-only file share and mailing it to the wrong distribution list. With RMS unauthorized partners will not (easily) be able to read the document.

    So, in my eyes that is where DRM might actually be useful and neccessary, I don't see a "shadow".

    What's wrong with me?
  18. Few People Pay To Have Their Rights Taken Away by metalligoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As soon as people wake up to what DRM really is, they'll stop paying for it. There will be so many hacks out there to kill it (De-CSS/iTunes DRM) that it will become as prevalent and annoying as spam, until people wake up. Then it will go back into the history book filled with bad ideas, such as coal powered automobiles.

  19. Crossed the chasm ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Funny
    and made it firmly into the bowling alley. ?!?

    What the ...huh? I realize I haven't bowled in a year or two, but how many of them now have chasms that need crossing to enter? Perhaps this is an element of the declining league membership: with Americans in poorer shape, quite a few more are incapable of chasm crossing to even get into the bowling alleys. Perhaps this whole chasm requirement should be rethought.

  20. DRM for the people by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I would like to see applications of DRM used in keeping my personal information safe.

    Say, if I buy something online and request that they not sell my info - they are unable to.

    Or if I fly, I can be assued that my information is not given to secret government projects.

    Yes, the likelyhood and feasibillity of this 'crazy idea' are small to none, but I have yet to see a application of DRM that is not about content control for the big players. Sure there's the spam prevention that gets tossed around, but I can't see that being available until the $$$-making stuff gets good and locked down.

    DRM and anti-fair use legislation will mean the end of independent artists, writers and coders. Welcome to the brave new world.

  21. its Digital *Restrictions* Managment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful


    that's correct right ? better to educate the unwashed masses with the correct terminology than call it something its not

    it has nothing to do with "rights" and everything to do with "restrictions", the more you keep calling it the former the more MS/HP etc smile

    bit like the "patriot act" , call it a positive name and no one will oppose it

  22. Try to think long term by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Each time that Slashdot has one of these forums on DRM I get dismayed at how few people write about the possible long-term consequences that DRM will take. By long term I mean twenty years at a minimum. Usually people just assume that in the long term there will be DRM on everything and every exposure to a piece of cultural entertainment will trigger a micropayment upon its view or interaction.

    That is probably a fantasy wish of the entertainment-media conglomerate corporations.

    I suspect that hard DRM (stuff that works like the media corporations want it to and can't be broken by users) would create a parallel 'pirate' media corporate group that would in the long term be absorbed into the other media corporations. This pirate group would provide media product at sharply reduced rates but delayed by months or years from the product's initial release by the primary media corporations. It would analogue the cheap neighborhood second-run movie theatres that played relatively new movies after they had been showing a few months in the larger first-run theatres. (This is how the movie business worked before the VCR boom in the late 1980's and the DVD boom currently happening).
    This idea of people 'stealing' cultural product by not paying the media corporations fantasy prices for product would just go away, like the idea that African-American music was sinful (an idea that until the 1990's was often expressed in working class European-American churches).

    An example of media corporations have fantasy prices is the notion that all recorded music product have the same price (such as $18 per CD) regardless of how long the product has been on the market or how saturated the market has become with this individual product. The idea that people are 'stealing' recorded music by the Beatles that is forty years old because they aren't paying $18 for a CD of ten songs is a perfect example. Especially when most of the 'thieves' of the Beatle's recordings have previously purchased the same recordings in 45RPM single vinyl format, 33RPM long-play album vinyl format, cassette format, 8-track format, premium Dolby re-release high-grade vinyl long-play album format, ect...

    There are lots of other consequences of longterm DRM that you can think of that excape the rest of us here, please post your ideas.

    Thank you,

    1. Re:Try to think long term by FrostedWheat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The biggest longterm effect will probably be social rather than technical. DRM is impossible, that's a fact. But if they can make anything anti-DRM seem 'dodgy' or 'illegal' then they begin to get control. What company will product non-DRM hardware if everyone is convinced it's illegal?

      It's starting already. I laughed out loud when I was told that region-free DVD players are illegal in the UK by a PC-World drone.

    2. Re:Try to think long term by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm beginning to suspect that the use of legality to address what are essentially pricing issues will backfire on the global media corporations.

      People will subconscously associate the use of all products from the global media corporations with being illegal as a result of the constant warnings from these corporations that viewing their products can in some circumstances be illegal. This will become even more true as media products shift from being watched in a public setting to the home setting, like what is happening now with DVDs replacing movie theatres.

      When new forms of digital media begin to appear in the next ten years or so that are not primarily created and distributed by the global media corporations (and what these media forms will be I don't know but I do believe that they will happen), the global media companys will regret that they spent so much effort creating a public perception that viewing mass-marketed media products (movies, music, games, ect...) is somehow illegal because this perception will eventually start to shrink their market and revenue streams.

      I realize that I'm not making a lot of sense. I must be well on the way of becoming a 'futurist'. If only there were any money in it!

    3. Re:Try to think long term by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, that is a great point. If a 'new breed' of media companies sprung up with lower priced merchandise, they would have an excellent selling point over their mainstream competitors. In addition to the lower price, they could assure consumers that they would not be restricted or get in trouble for use of the product. They would probably find it to their advantage to market the product in a way that allows copies to be made (while still cracking down on wholesale, for profit pirates).

  23. Its time for a war on DRM by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Informative

    The way DRM is going is to the hardware level. Its far too easy for people to break software DRM because all it takes is a few debugging tools. The best thing to do is to start getting into hardware hacking early - play around with PICs and stuff (playstation mod chips are PICs) and get to the point where your as comfortable as if you were with a software debugger. DRM is restricted by the 'if you can see it you can copy it' rule and eventually even the best DRM systems finish with an unencrypted data stream or an enable signal. Law is not going to be on our side so if we want our electronics free from artificial restrictions we are gonna have to fight it ourselves and make a mockary of the DRM industry. Screw them all before they start coming out with DRM chips that call the cops or blow-up in the users face if they are tampered with. And stop them before it becomes illigal to own so much as a multimeter without a license.

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    1. Re:Its time for a war on DRM by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well for one example: DVD was designed long before filesharing and it has the most heinous DRM mechanisms that dont even have anything to do with piracy: region encoding so they could control the market, fast-forward/skip restrictions so they could decide what you could fastforward (eg to stick adverts in the beginning of the disk which i have seen done). And players that have the ability to switch regions 3 times and then your locked into one. DivX was around before and planted the seed of "you buy this disk and we charge you per-play" and there are plenty more systems that simply give the corporations more ways to rip you off or control what you do.

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    2. Re:Its time for a war on DRM by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it will never be able to plug the "analog hole".

      Sure it can ... you're assuming there that there will a. always be analog recording equipment being sold, or legal to use and b. that the analog data stream will be accessible. VCRs are already on the way out, casettes aren't far behind, and standard NTSC/PAL video interfaces will be the next to go. The FCC has already mandated that ALL television receivers in the United States WILL be digital, which means that the death of the old NTSC standard can't be far behind. When NTSC is no longer broadcast or encoded on DVDs, it will immediately obsolesce all the millions of video cassette recorders out there. The only side benefit I see is that those assholes at Macrovision will become gainfully unemployed. Once all data flow between consumer devices (DVD player, HDTV, etc.) is completely and irrevocably digital the analog hole won't be an issue anymore because it won't be there to need plugging.

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    3. Re:Its time for a war on DRM by rcpitt · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The analog hole is not inside the electronics necessarily - it is at the point where the digital data is turned into something we 'wetware' processors (humans) can use our analog input devices (eyes, ears, etc.) to sample the stuff being shown.

      At that point another device can be substituted for our eyes/ears and capture a (admittedly slightly inferior) copy and encode it back to digital if necessary.

      Only once the eyes and ears are bypassed by feeding direct digital information into our cerebral cortex via teeny-tiny wires will there be a hope of eliminating this "hole" - and even then there is the chance that you could have a bridge put in (anybody got some really tiny roach-clips?)

      The analog hole also exists inside the system between the decoder and the display/playback but may not be easily attached to - kind of like the point where your digital cable box now hooks to your TV via coax or s-video and RCP plugs. Until the tuner/decoder and the display unit's video driver circuits are so tightly integrated that there is no single point where the video and audio pass close to where a tech can attach those teeny-tiny roach clips to snag the decoded signal, there will be an analog hole.

      The real point of all this is that as usual, the publishing industries are making it far more costly to view their wares for their customers - both in money and in time/frustration (at incompatible formats, licensing hoops to jump through etc.) where the "real" pirates who copy wholesale and actually compete for dollars at the cash register don't get hurt. Making a million duplicates of a DVD is easy - and you don't need CSS decoding to do it - you copy that too! Same thing with "encoded" CDs and anything else that has a retail package worth pirating.

      The bottom line is that to the consumer, the DRM stuff is sand in the gears of them getting the "quiet enjoyment" out of what they've paid their bucks for. The analog hole just ensures that there will be copies floating around for those who have had enough with trying to cope with the publishers' roadblocks to enjoyment - even for people who purchase the real thing.

      The war on DRM has already been fought - 20 years ago when the software purchasing public told the software vendors, who drilled laser holes and used screwy disk formats, to take a hike. The problem is that the current generation of publishers don't remember - or think that technology is going to help - it won't. The consumer will get their way because they vote with their dollars and just as 20 years ago, new companies will step up to the plate with product that will pull those dollars away from those who put roadblocks up.

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  24. I've read something along these lines.. by rhetoric · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the float-up-the-DRM-balloon phase, most average people aren't likely to react. And that's fine. Right now, all it does is enable the use/play of protected content. And, as noted many times in this discussion thread and in the article itself, it's an add-on to the OS. Don't want it? Don't use it. However, we've seen many instances of MS rolling an add-on into a service pack and then requiring that the service pack be installed for any future updates. It's then possible to enable the DRM package to restrict the legitimate use of non-protected content and/or software because the end-user won't have any other choice. MS will be holding all the cards. I think you're right on up until about here, but sadly I'm a bit more cynical about what the future holds. Too few people are in control of way too much on our planet (and that's another thread :p). I read a very interesting article by John Walker, author of Speak Freely recently, and you might want to give it a read. I can say the man tends to repeat himself.. but the ideas he presents and the overall picture he puts together is quite frightening, showing how the traditional giant producer/many consumers model for information and everything else can, will, and already is being imposed on the internet. A big part of this is DRM, and even moreso trusted computing.

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  25. To paraphrase the Unix Hater's Handbook... by Ann+Elk · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Digital Rights Management" is to "rights" as "Lung Cancer" is to "lung".

  26. DRM is inherently impossible. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DRM is nothing but an attempt to make it inconvient for people to know their own key.

    Even Microsoft repeatedly states on its website that even Trusted Computing cannot hope to enforce DRM if the owner of the computer feels like altering the hardware. The best solution is to rip open a chip and read out your key. That gives you total control over your computer.

    You can't stop the owner of a machine from opening it up and reading out his key. He owns it and he has absolutely every right to do so.

    They are perfectly free to use all the DRM they like so long as I have every right to circumvent that DRM for legal purposes, and for me to help other people circumvent DRM for legal purposes.

    nobody will actually do anything to stop the widespread adoption of DRM

    Mere informing people about it can have a signifigant effect. I have caught multiple projects based on Trusted Computing that have actually been making signifigant effort to hide that fact that thet are connected to Trusted Computing because most people who know about Trusted Computing are rebelling about it. Intel's attempt to put ID numbers inside every CPU a few years ago was killed by public backlash against it.

    A good example of a project hiding it's Trusted Computing connection is Cisco's recently announced Network Admission Control routers. Cisco's press release on them touts it an an anti-virus anti-worm system, and several news sites (including Slashdot) ran stories on Cisco "delaring war on worms" and "blocking viruses at the router". However people generally express outrage when they learn that what these routers actually do is to deny you an internet connection unless you submit to Trusted Computing. The router uses Trusted Computing to verify that you are running specific software such as approved anti-virus scanner and firewall (thus the "anti-virus" claims). If you aren't Trusted Computing-compliant then it can simply refuse to let you connect to the internet at all.

    Perhaps you don't think "informing people" counts as doing anything. Well I for one am QUITE interested in working on the hardware/software projects required to liberate a computer from Trusted Computing restrictions, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Working out how to rip open a chip to read out the key and programming the software required to emulate the system (and control/override that system).

    I think a great way to get such a project (and perhaps business) started would be to first target the law-enforcement market. No one can possibly object to aiding law-enforcment in recovering encrypted data/evidence from computers seized from criminals and to control/override software on computers seized from criminals. Go ahead, lets see someone try to paint such a project as a bunch of "evil hackers", chuckle.

    Once you've figured out how to routinely extract keys from chips, and once you've developed the required software to give the owner control over the system then you can sell such services and software to anyone and everyone. It would be a sort of "upgrade service" giving you full control of your computer.

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    1. Re:DRM is inherently impossible. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Will the general public ever understand waht Trusted Computing is? I doubt it.

      The key is reducing it to a level the non-tech public can understand:

      Give me my key!

      That can be backed up by a few simple points. It is your key, you have a right to it. If you have your key then you control your computer. Knowing your key cannot reduce your computer's ability to protect you in any way. If you don't know your key then people can turn your computer against you (lock-ins / lock-outs).

      All very easy and very understandable. THAT is the message we need to get to the mainstream media.

      The EFF goofed in it's opposition to Trusted Computing when it demanded an "owner override" so that the user can "lie". Owner override is too complex an issue and being able to "lie" sounds like an evil thing. If the owner knew his key (PrivEK) then he could just download an "owner override" program.

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