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Gimp 2.0 Pre 2 Released

Posted by timothy on from the slicker-than-teflon dept.

Paul Kucher writes "A second preview of GIMP 2.0 has been released. From gimp.org: "Lots of bugs have been fixed since the last release and you are encouraged to try the new pre-release. It is now available from ftp.gimp.org or from one of the mirrors. Plug-in authors, please consider to port your GIMP plug-in to the 2.0 API. Now is a good time to do that." I have posted some screenshots here."

67 comments

  1. Is it time.. . . by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    . . . to start using it again? I tried it out in 2000 and it was painfull. has it matured to a good point yet?

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    1. Re:Is it time.. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's good.

      You have to get used to the non-MDI interface if you're a Photoshop user.

      Once you get used to the idea that you right-click on an image to perform an operation on it, it's pretty good.

    2. Re:Is it time.. . . by BlueEar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My overall impression is that GIMP has been designed by highly qualified geeks, but geeks nevertheless. I think it would benefit immensly from a usability expert input. A number of solutions chosen is far from intuitive. While the overall capabilities of GIMP are excellent, it takes some getting-used-to time. Once the initial "who the hell thought that right click plus Ctrl is a natural solution for this operation" types of experiences are over, you might be pleasantly surprised by the power of GIMP. Overall, this is one software that I woulde definitely recomment reading books or tutorials before using it. Ah, and yes, I find that 1.3 series and now 2.0 release candidates have some improvements in usability over 1.2 version. Dockable dialogs and a much better menu systems just to name a few ...

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    3. Re:Is it time.. . . by njchick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, GIMP 2 has menubars on image windows. No need to right-click.

    4. Re:Is it time.. . . by trouser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Once you get used to the idea that you right-click on an image to perform an operation on it, it's pretty good.

      The right-click drop down menu still works, but now each image also has a conventional menu at the top of the window. Makes things a lot easier.

      The lack of MDI is typical of Gnome apps. Now that I'm accustomed to Gnome it doesn't bother me.

      I've been using Gimp 1.3.2 for awhile. It has a lot of the features of 2.0 including the new improved interface. I think it's fantastic. Millions might disagree.

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  2. What I don't like about the Gimp by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't they use a master window to contain all the other child Gimp windows? Every window floats free and disappears and reappears as application focus changes.

    Taking a clue from Photoshop, the Gimp could be made much more user-friendly just by adding a simple window frame around all the controls and sub-windowing all the other windows.

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    1. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by SchnauzerGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe it is a (bad) design decision, or perhaps it is related to this: Adobe Sues Over Tabbed Widgets

    2. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MDI interfaces do not work well on mutli-monitor setups.

    3. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little broad with that brush, aren't you?

      I would come back and say that applications based on multiple, disconnected windows also do not work well on multi-monitor setups.

    4. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called MDI

      Some people love it. I hate it. I think it sorta breaks the normal flow of work. Suddenly it's much harder to switch back and forth between a GIMP window and an xterm because your gimp window has to be full screen to hold all the palletes.

      But, you know, it's a personal preference thing. Maybe it would be nice if they could make it an option.

    5. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by caseih · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is in part a design decision, and partly due to the traditional nature of the gtk widget set. Essentially there is no MDI in gtk, for good or bad. Part of the solution to address this multiple window out-of-control problem is the dock idea that they've come up with. I configure gimp to just have one window (the default is 2, but you can easily rearrange it into one) that has the tool palette and all the other things I need docked to it. It's very dynamic and customizable. Sections can be added, tabs added, etc. That one window is always on top. Then my picture windows float next to it. That way I get the best of both worlds. I don't need another application to take over my entire screen like photoshop does. I prefer the windows. Except for the fact that the dock thing can only be vertical (having it horzonal at times would be nice), I think this is superior to the photoshop-style ui.

      Besides that, I've always maintained that anyone who runs apps full screen (which you pretty much have to with MDI apps) really isn't using a windowing system to their best advantage. MDI is rapidly falling out of favor. MS no longer uses it for many applications and MacOS never ever did. Tabs work well for most things, although images are better off in windows. Anyway, the interface on gimp is light years ahead of the old interface! Now if only glade could get a similar interface makeover.

    6. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

      This is just what I like about the gimp.I dislike to be framed in on the desktop, especially when working simultaneously with different programs. This software is absolutely fantastic. I prefer it over photoshop. Especially the fast startup time (maybe thanks to the lack of unnecessary clutter with additional frames...).

    7. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Muggins+the+Mad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Taking a clue from Photoshop, the Gimp could be made much more user-friendly just by adding a simple window frame around all the controls and sub-windowing all the other windows.

      And that's almost exactly why I *like* the Gimp. I let my (carefully chosen to suit my needs) window manager deal with organising them.

      Apps that put everything in one parent window really bug me since I have to organise *those* windows seperately from all the other apps I have running. And I can't see my other windows when I have one of the app windows in front.

      - MugginsM

    8. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree, this should be an _option_ for people who like this kind of application interface.

      It makes sense for simple image editing requrements (a few pictures and menu's open).
      I also dislike having those GIMP pop-up menus float around/dissapear/etc.

      This is a MUCH reqeusted & debated feature, which simple should have been an option long ago IMHO.

      Lets hope someone will set this up for the next release.

      Thanks to the developers og The GIMP. Its a great free software bitmap graphics tool.

      John Kesta

    9. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can see what you're getting at, but I usually switch from one app to another using keyboard shortcuts rather than hunting and clicking with the mouse. For me, the removal of the master window doesn't buy any benefits, but actually incurs a small penalty.

      Making it an option would definitely be nice. Different strokes and all that.

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    10. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by zsazsa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Taking a clue from Photoshop, the Gimp could be made much more user-friendly just by adding a simple window frame around all the controls and sub-windowing all the other windows.

      This only happens in Windows. In the Mac version of Photoshop (actually, every single Mac application that follows the UI guidelines) there is no MDI like most Windows apps.

      I do feel that they should somehow reduce the number of entries that it creates in the Gnome or KDE taskbar.

    11. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not really, in all cases where I have been forced to utilize an MDI based application in a multi-monitor setup I ended up wishing I had been working with seperate disconnected windows instead.

      It's all personal preference I guess but I don't believe that the concept of MDI was developed with the thought of utilization across mutliple displays.

    12. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      The Gimp people seem like they have gone out of their way to do things differently then Photoshop. But the lack of a master window is one thing that paticularly pisses me off too.

    13. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by PzyCrow · · Score: 1

      Actually I would love if every application behaved this way. I fail to see any intuitive reason why you should mix canvs and the tools to modify it.

      The whole concept of "applications" is flawed. Wouldn't it be better if the DE (or WM) provieded the canvas and a standadized api/protocoll to modify its contents.
      Then you would just fire up the toolbox you would need for the task at hand.

    14. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by shane_rimmer · · Score: 1

      You don't use multiple monitors, do you?

    15. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Essentially there is no MDI in gtk, for good or bad.

      While that's true, GTK was created to serve GIMP. If they wanted MDI, they could have added it. I think the "no-MDI" thing was a conscious decision and not a toolkit limitation.

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    16. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My KDE 3.1.2 panel manages to group together all of the gimp windows, i'm pretty sure the latest gnome-panel is capable of that as well. sure, after you click on the single "gimp" icon, you then have to make another click to pick a gimp window--but one could imagine a window manager that remember which gimp window had focus last and then chose that one. Infact, since the window managers are already capable of grouping together single windows, it seems like it would be possible for the window manager to turn a group of windows into an MDI interface. perhaps thats why MDI was opposed, because it takes over the role of window management from the users chosen window manager? Is gimp supposed to be aware of your window manager and make sub-window frames that look like your regular subwindows?

    17. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by self+assembled+struc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trick is on the Mac, even in OS 9, an open application gets only one entry in the task-list. Whether this is the application menu (mutli-finder) or the dock, photoshop appears once.

      What bothers me is that every window the gimp opens takes up a new task bar location. On the Mac, it's up the application to manage it's own open windows (That's what the "window" menu is for) and many OS X apps now adhere to the cmd-~ windows-in-current-application switch key, so I cycle though my open iChat windows, or my open Photoshop documents with that key stroke, but only have one entry in my "running programs" list. Which, if you think about it makes sense. I'm running the gimp as an app. Not the individual palettes.

      Also, what bothered me so much, and i'm glad to see fixed, was the use of context menus. Context menus are great for contextual items, but THE FILE MENU IS NOT A CONTEXT MENU.

    18. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by jonadab · · Score: 2, Informative

      >Why don't they use a master window to contain all the other child Gimp windows?

      Ack! That would be *horrible*. You'd be forced to maximize that big parent
      window, in order to have enough space to spread out all your various Gimp
      (sub)windows, but then it would block out everything behind; you could not,
      for example, leave a gnome-terminal window showing through behind below your
      image, so that you'd notice when your download/compile/whatever completed.

      Please, don't force us into an opaque rectangle. There's no reason for such
      a heinous restriction. The only conceivable justification would be, "Well,
      Photoshop does it, so Gimp doesn't suck any worse than Photoshop". But even
      if it was in good company, it would still suck.

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    19. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The only conceivable justification would be, "Well, Photoshop does it

      And, come to think of it, Photoshop *doesn't* -- at least, Photoshop 6.5
      for the Mac doesn't. It treats each image, toolbox, dialog box, or whatever
      as a separate toplevel window, just like Gimp does.

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    20. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Phil+John · · Score: 1

      Steinberg got it right with Wavelab 3+ for Windows. The main window is an MDI interface, this holds all of the wave files you are working on. All special toolbars, like the Master section (where you can do things like insert FX, master volume, mixdown, dithering, bitrate etc.), any plugins you have loaded and some other stuff floats above the app, allowing you to drag them onto a second monitor. I find that really neat, the canvasses on my main screen, the tools on the other. I do this with photoshop and dreamweaver too.

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    21. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've always maintained that anyone who runs apps full screen really isn't using a windowing system to their best advantage.

      I have to disagree here. Perhaps if you have some insanely large desktop it's worth it, but at 1024x768, there simply isn't enough room to have more than one productively sized window for most applications. All you end up doing is wasting the edges of the screen real-estate and cluttering the "background". Grabbing and resizing an image window in the GIMP is noticably slower for me if there's other windows behind it with their own window decorations to distract. What I usually end up doing is shoving all my GIMP windows onto another virtual desktop to "emulate" a proper window. It still sucks, only not as much.

    22. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever used Adobe Photoshop?; which is one crappy bundle of stolen tools and features, but it does that wel. It supports CMYK and thats what makes it useful for sectain tasks.

      Maybe that is what is lacking in "the gimp".

      Al other aguments are pointses, it all depends on the person who works with it. Some like it, others don't.

      Roger Wilco.

    23. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by thisObj.name · · Score: 1

      Actually ... the free floating window way GIMP operates is identical the the way Photoshop works on the Macintosh ... which has *always* been Photoshops native platform. One of the largest complaints I've heard from other Designers who've been forced to work on a PC at a new job vs a Mac is the the single containing window paradigm is a huge pain in the ass, and it makes it hard to use the desktop.

    24. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why don't they use a master window to contain all the other child Gimp windows?

      Because that's an ugly and unfriendly thing to do. Let my window manager manage windows the way I want it to, please.

      (If I'm doing a lot of GIMPing I'll put it on its own virtual desktop. But I might to float those GIMP windows around a web browser window to see how that image looks in the web page I'm working on.)

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    25. Re:What I don't like about the Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, MDI was never an option simply because GTK+ isn't able to do MDI at all. Last time I asked when the GTK+ developers intended to implement it, I got no answer. :/ You may want to try asking them, maybe you'll be more lucky than me.

  3. Not yet for Windows... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 0, Redundant
    ...or the page hasn't been updated since 1.25.

    For the record, I know other posters have flamed GIMP for usability, but I find it adaquate for my occasional (perhaps once a month) phot manipulation needs.

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    1. Re:Not yet for Windows... by jpsowin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since I just downloaded the pre2 release for windows and ran it, I will assume you are incorrect ;)

      All you crazy Windows users an try this out (but be prepared to be dissapointed if you think it will replace p----shop) here.

    2. Re:Not yet for Windows... by poulbailey · · Score: 1

      It's there, you just have to dig a little deeper.

      Try http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/unstable.html. It has -pre2 for Windows available for download.

    3. Re:Not yet for Windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you crazy Windows users an try this out (but be prepared to be dissapointed if you think it will replace p----shop) here.

      Thanks for the link. It's the perfect image editor for me to use at work (its free and its good). I can erase that expired trial of PSP now.

  4. D'ho! by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the catch.

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    1. Re:D'ho! by jpsowin · · Score: 1

      My pleasure! Now you can experience all the (gimp) fun! :-)

  5. D'ho! by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1

    My bad. Thanks.

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  6. uhhh, where are the win32 builds ? by kayen_telva · · Score: 1

    i been all over this intarweb and caint find no win32
    builds..they didnt abandon us geeks with windoze girlfriends did they ?

    1. Re:uhhh, where are the win32 builds ? by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether you are serious or not; regardless, I'm crying on the inside...

  7. Virtual desktops by myzz · · Score: 3, Informative

    The is no need for MDI, when you have virtual desktops - the virtual desktop itself is the one big window, where the Gimp windows will sit. The virtual desktop solution is also more flexible - you may put some other apps windows to the same desktop as Gimp ones, when you find it useful and the Window Manager can be configured to behave as you like. Only on Windows it is useful to have one big maximized window with small ones inside it, since it doesn't have the virtual desktops.

  8. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by kelnos · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The lack of MDI is typical of Gnome apps. Now that I'm accustomed to Gnome it doesn't bother me.
    that's interesting. i guess we just have different usage patterns - i absolutely _despise_ the MDI model that apps like photoshop impose, as most of the time the only natural way to work with them is to maximise the window, thus blocking out everything else i have on that particular desktop. it's not so bad for, say, a tabbed text editor, but when you have an app like the gimp that has several ancillary windows that you need to refer to often to use the app (the main toolbox, layer window, tool options windows), you need more screen real estate to handle these items. and when they all have to be contained within a single large rectangular container, you lose the option of having a funny-shaped container which leaves open 'holes' into which you can see the rest of your desktop workspace.

    i dunno, just a personal preference. but from the interface point of view, i'd pick gimp over photoshop any day. i still agree, however, that there are several aspects to the gimp UI that aren't terribly intuitive. and photoshop certainly still has an edge in features (tho not being a graphics-savvy person, the gimp is more than sufficient for my needs).
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  9. Two editing styles by digitect · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As I sit here reading comments, I'm struck by the two conflicting desires of the posters:

    1. MDI v. window manager
    2. Window mouse-clicking/virtual workspace-swapping v. Alt+Tab/Window list mouse-clicking

    Perhaps we're using GIMP two different ways.

    It appears those that do not want MDI want to be able to arrange their windows around the desktop leaving little areas to peer through to other apps in the background. This group likes to use the mouse to focus windows and may enjoy being able to swap to another workspace to preserve this environment.

    Others of us (myself included) sometimes do graphics professionally for days straight at a time. We're in the environment 10-12 hours and may have 20-50 image windows open in one session, maybe 500 a day. (Such as when producing icons, or bullets, or thumbnails, etc.) In this case, having to select objects by visual means is almost impossible. There are enough windows to completely obstruct the background with frames alone. And who on earth would actually go to the trouble to physically arrange them all?! Instead, we prefer a single Alt+Tab or mouse click on the window list to switch away, and another to return to the graphic application environment. The MDI has it's own window list which aids in having to decide between different names and other applications in the same list. It also has its own separate Ctrl+Tab key combination to page between them.

    I guess I'm tired of seeing the flames. Can't the developers simply acknowldege that there is more than one way to look at the UI and add the simple option to have MDI? Or is it really not that simple? Perhaps not. Is that why the option is being avoided?

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    1. Re:Two editing styles by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Informative
      I guess I'm tired of seeing the flames. Can't the developers simply acknowldege that there is more than one way to look at the UI and add the simple option to have MDI? Or is it really not that simple? Perhaps not. Is that why the option is being avoided?

      Your problem is solved by virtual desktops. MDI is not supported by most windowing systems that Gimp is run on (X, Quartz) .. in fact only Win32 does support it. MDI is a hack that doesn't allow you to use standard windowing widgets like the window list to switch between them. It's hard to implement. It's a limitless source of bugs. It's got terrible usability - even Microsoft doesn't use it anymore.

      In short, if you want to have many windows open at once and manage them all, use virtual desktops - use many of them, if you like. Have each image you are working with on a different desktop. I've done this and found it works nicely, much better than MDI ever did.

    2. Re:Two editing styles by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      In Gimp's defense it's meant to run under X. So a busy person like you could use virtual desktops, each with it's own resoultion and window lists, to switch between apps/app families with a single keystroke!!! learning to use Linux virtual desktops takes some getting used to from being a Windows drone, but it's quite cool...

    3. Re:Two editing styles by timotten · · Score: 1

      It appears those that do not want MDI want to be able to arrange their windows around the desktop leaving little areas to peer through to other apps in the background. This group likes to use the mouse to focus windows and may enjoy being able to swap to another workspace to preserve this environment.

      MDI and virtual workspaces are basically the same idea -- group together related windows. The difference: in MDI, the groupings follow vendor/application lines. In virtual workspaces, the user groups windows as he or she wishes. If you want to have immaculately arranged windows from different applications which enable you to compare just the right data (and have focus follow the mouse pointer), then fine. If you want to group a hundred windows from one application (and use keyboard navigation), then fine. If you want a mess, fine.

      In this case, having to select objects by visual means is almost impossible. Instead, we prefer a single Alt+Tab or mouse click on the window list to switch away, and another to return to the graphic application environment. The MDI has it's own window list which aids in having to decide between different names and other applications in the same list. It also has its own separate Ctrl+Tab key combination to page between them.

      You get the same functionality with virtual workspaces. In my GNOME/Metacity setup, I use Ctrl-Alt-{Left,Right} to move among workspaces, and Alt-Tab to move among windows within a workspace.

  10. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by digitect · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ...when they all have to be contained within a single large rectangular container, you lose the option of having a funny-shaped container which leaves open 'holes' into which you can see the rest of your desktop workspace.

    And why, exactly, if you're doing graphics professionally do you need to leave little gaps between windows? So that you can make cool 31337 screenshots with the windows covering the most private parts of the nudes on your background suggestively exposed between?

    ...from the interface point of view, i'd pick gimp over photoshop any day... tho not being a graphics-savvy person, the gimp is more than sufficient for my needs

    Uh, yeah. I thought so.

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  11. The improvements just keep coming... by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The GIMP just keeps getting better and better. I think this is great for open source, and for the thousands of people who need a really good graphics tool but don't want to chuck out the money for Photoshop.

    But to head all the photoshop comparisons off at the pass...Don't assume that most people who already use photoshop even care. They've got a time and education investment. Their tool is literally 100% supported in their profession. It does almost everything they need, and has near perfect interoperability with other industry tools. You are hired based on how well you know photoshop.

    I haven't done any graphic design since college, but I still know all the people I went to school with. Not a single one has the slightest professional interest in a new tool. Before anyone takes this as a troll, I'll say that the number of people I know who AREN'T paid professionals far exceed the ones who are, and every one of them was interested in a free photoshop-like tool.

    I'm slightly worried about people labelling this as flamebait, but its fairly frustrating when you look around and see people talking about how its just a matter of time before GIMP swats photoshop out of the air. To me, thats kind of akin to saying that gravity is going to reverse itself tomorrow--simply too much has to change overnight for me to buy that.

    (as a side note, does anyone use GIMP with a Wacom pad in Xfree86? Do all the basic tools and plugins take advantage of tilt and pressure? I can't find any user experiences with this on the net, and I'd like to know before I recompile X for pad support, and actually dig the thing out of the attic.)

    1. Re:The improvements just keep coming... by Mentally_Overclocked · · Score: 1

      I think it did have tilt and pressure sensitivity, but I do not recall exactly. I know it wasn't included in the windows variant.

      You might try looking here for configuration help, and perhaps tldp.org

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    2. Re:The improvements just keep coming... by psergiu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > as a side note, does anyone use GIMP with a Wacom pad in Xfree86?

      yes. :)

      > Do all the basic tools and plugins take advantage of tilt and pressure?

      Yes - but as my cheapo wacom is only presure sersitive - i cannot comment on the tilt.

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    3. Re:The improvements just keep coming... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      (as a side note, does anyone use GIMP with a Wacom pad in Xfree86? Do all the basic tools and plugins take advantage of tilt and pressure? I can't find any user experiences with this on the net, and I'd like to know before I recompile X for pad support, and actually dig the thing out of the attic.)

      I sure do. My Graphire3 XL works absolutely fine using the wacom driver in the kernel (modded a bit to support the graphire3) and the wacom Xinput driver from the linuxwacom project.

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  12. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by elveu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the advantage of the "holes" is that it allows you to have other applications visable in the background and offers far more flexability. just beceause you personally may not have a use for it dosn't mean that there isn't one.
    and most people who use image editors dosn't do graphics proressionally

  13. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by oldwolf13 · · Score: 1

    >> and most people who use image editors dosn't do graphics proressionally

    Uhm...

    I've worked professionally in various aspects of computer graphics and print, and I gotta say, photoshop is the most used program. EVERY place I've worked, along with all my friends in the computer graphics/print industry use it.

    That's everything from desktop publishing, to CGI for movies/tv/games, web design, digital photography... you name it.

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  14. And remember mac people by pwagland · · Score: 1
    MacGIMP.

    They have a pre2 release candidate already as well...

  15. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    >> and most people who use image editors dosn't do graphics proressionally

    > Uhm ...

    > I've worked professionally [blah blah blah]

    Who gives a shit. Most people who use image editors don't do graphics professionally, like grandparent said.

    Do people who /do/ do graphics professionally have comprehension problems?

    YAW.

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  16. Damn if you do, damn if you don't by gunga · · Score: 1

    Maybe they don't want to do everything like Photoshop.
    Maybe if they did people here would complain that "open source needs to innovate, not copy existing software"?

  17. Re:Is it time.. . . [a bit OT] by kelnos · · Score: 1

    i think you misunderstood what the parent said. he made no claim to the graphics app of choice for professional graphics designers, he meant that out of all the people out there using image editors, most of them are not pro graphics designers. they're just people touching up their photo collection, making simple art for their personal website, etc.

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    Xfce: Lighter than some, heavier than others. Just right.
  18. Digital Photography by Slashamatic · · Score: 1
    is probably one of the main reasons why the GIMP will be successfull. Many vendors ship photo editors with their cameras. Of course, they are windows only and rather limited in functionality. More and more people are therefore looking for alternatives. For this, the GIMP works well.

    It isn't about to swat Photoshop, but it will come from behind. As open source, it is intrinsically more versatile and will end up overtaking Photoshop. Eventually.

  19. It's getting there! by Larry+David · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fact 1) I've been using Photoshop since version 3, or for about eight years. It took at least five years for me to consider myself a 'master' of it, and yet I still learn tricks from people. So, I love Photoshop. It's really a rock.

    Fact 2) I used Gimp a couple of years ago, and hated it.

    Now forward to the present day.. these screenshots look EXCELLENT. Finally it looks like we're going places. The open source thing is paying off, and I can see some regular designers using this stuff in a year or two. Unrelated to geeks, but related to designers, Linux in these screenshots is actually beginning to look pretty sharp! I mean, this is no Mac OS X yet, or not even a Photoshop, but it's GETTING THERE.

    What I don't get is why GNOME is so wasteful on toolbars. Why can't the menu for Gimp be on that top bar, where it says 'Actions'? Since all the tasks are on the bottom bar, it appears the top bar is kinda useless. Anyone?

    1. Re:It's getting there! by asquared256 · · Score: 1

      you can add applets (system monitor, gnome-pilot, volume control, clock, etc...), as well as quick-launch buttons to the top toolbar. Besides, it doesn't really take up much space, and you can always just delete it and move the menus to the bottom bar.

  20. Wacom support by djeca · · Score: 2, Informative

    If X supports your pad, the Gimp supports it.

    I've had great success (for my needs) with a Wacom PenPartner (well, until it broke and turned into an expensive mousepad :() and all the Gimp tools recognise tilt and pressure where appropriate.

  21. But what about Twain Acquire in Win32 Systems? by hp46168 · · Score: 1

    I don't think GIMP will be taken sreiously until this major show stopping bug is fixed. Is anybody in Windows using the GIMP able to scan an image directly in the GIMP? if so, please give me a holler at davis UNDERSCORE family UNDERSCORE 46168 AT yahoo DOT com (please don't laugh about it being a yahoo address, at least I'm smart enough to not pay for it.) Thanks, as they do say, in advance. --- Rebel without a clue

    1. Re:But what about Twain Acquire in Win32 Systems? by nicolas.e · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, I will flame you for using silly email adress obfuscation instead of using some spam filtering software.

      BTW aren't you a troll ?

    2. Re:But what about Twain Acquire in Win32 Systems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest that you use your windows propietary scanner software and then use a common file format just JPG, PNG, TIFF to send the file to GIMP. I use GIMP for work, since my boss is so greedy to buy photoshop or even a shareware paint program. GIMP is a good solution for medium work but for heavy work you will need photoshop.

    3. Re:But what about Twain Acquire in Win32 Systems? by hp46168 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I use HOTPOP, but felt obliged to obfuscate. I didn't think Trolls used Open Source Software?

    4. Re:But what about Twain Acquire in Win32 Systems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I do. Using Windows 2000, an Epson USB scanner, and Gimp 1.2.4. It works fine. I wouldn't know where to begin to even try to help you. It's worked perfectly from day one.

      Of course, I have had other odd crashes. Like when I try to convert a bunch of PNG files to JPEG. The first one works fine. But when I try to save the second JPEG it always crashes. Always. Probably ought to file a bug report. Oh well.

  22. It's configurable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In GNOME 2.4 (the version you see), you can completely configure the toolbars. I have my window list on the top menubar.