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Shrinking the PC is a Zen Thing
TheRaindog writes "Tech Report has one of the first reviews of Shuttle's new "Zen" small form factor system, which is almost 20% smaller than current XPCs. The Zen uses a passively-cooled external power supply and variable speed cooling fan to keep the system's noise levels and footprint to a minimum. With support for the latest Pentium 4 processors and ATI's Radeon 9100 IGP chipset, performance isn't too shabby, either."
Do these systems automatically trottle down the CPU as well to decrease system heat?
Shuttle once again raises the bar. They are one of the few companies out there doing something intresting with bland PC architecture. I still love my old SS50, now may be the time to pick up my next Shuttle.
This thing looks almost identical to the Soldam Polo series, the first of which came out around two years ago.
So what's new about this?
Looking at those pictures of the back the connector seems to be similar to an ATX mb socket. Is that an American thing, rather than the UK kettle lead or is it something propiatory?
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At least the Apple cubes had the power supply on the inside! I hate computers with an external PSU. They all look so pretty in the pictures cause none of them show the power brick! The previous shuttle design was a bit larger (the ST62K is 17% smaller than Shuttle's current XPC systems) but it had an internal PSU!
I have been looking at one of these for a while. I make up dream configurations using the Shuttle Barebones system and then price out the components from Overclockers or TekHeads.
They seem to solve a lot of problems that conventional systems are plagued with. Cooling a large box, noise generated by the cooling systems, space used by the server sitting under your desk. I was originally looking at rack mount systems but these Small Form Factor PC's have the added advantage of portability. Perfect for LAN Parties.
In addition they retain standard PC components, so you are not thrust into the expensive world of laptop computing. I did that for a while and got tired of paying double for everything.
Howver, currently I have the server under the desk. The major problem is the storage space of these boxes but if I can find an external storage system that suits, I am definitely going small form factor.
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Plus that cube has a spot for a Floppy drive ... Apple users havn't used floppy drives for years.
This cube looks like something a cheap apple cousin might design. :)
agreed.
Why not kill two birds with one stone (or keep two beatsies alive with one hack). Perhaps you have an ultracompact PC that needs cooling and a nice expansive fish tank that needs warming. So you build a sealed PC module that sits in the tank and makes both the fish and the CPU happy. A sealed cable runs from the tank to a breakout box. A passive convective heatsink in water could easily disappate the heat much more effectively than can air.
The rule for tank heaters is 4 W/gal, so a 200 W PC is perfect for warming a 50 gallon tank. A temperature sensor in the water would control the clock-speed -- underclocking if the fish got too hot. An occasional cleaning would keep algae from ruining the heat transfer coefficient.
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Take a look at the cooler. The shuttle has a much better story on cooling than using a separate CPU fan. The Shuttle is quieter and cooler than the desktop it replaced, including CPU temp. PCs haven't changed the cooling design since the original IBM which was around 60W, IIRC. Its long overdue.
I just got a Shuttle (slightly larger, with internal power). There's room on my desk now for my papers and a cat. I'm hoping that my monitor dies soon so I can get a flat screen.
Why are there no 1/4 height 5.25" bay things on the market? Shouldn't be any problems making CD/DVD drives half the height of what they are today. Just look at portable CD players.
Rear-mounted digital S/PDIF input and output ports (Tos-Link)
On the 2 shuttles I have (SS51G, SN41G2)the digital output ports have been front-mounted. Having it in the back is nice because you're not running the cord behind the computer.
One of the downsides of this seems to be that there's no AGP port. This is where the size savings comes in for ths aprticukar model. Both of my shuttles have on-baord graphics, but also have an AGP slot that I could get better performance from.
*grr* No removable drive cage either. Both of my shuttles have a removable drive cage. It made setting the machines up so much easier.
The external power supply for this unit will also make setup easier.
All told, I do my shuttles. They're nice systems, and so much quieter than the systems they replaced. Even nicer was full support forom linux. I dropped my old drives into the new system, and they were good to go.
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I've got a Shuttle XPC as a monitor-less HTPC/home server. The Shuttle fulfils a role that neither a standard desktop or laptop could - a small, quiet bookshelf machine with 600gb of storage, TV card, a reasonably speedy processor and a DVD+-R drive - using standard desktop components, and so all at a reasonable price.
The artwork at the top of shuttle's page for this thing is bad. There's a woman sitting, zen-like (whoaaa, ad dude, very creative man!), next to a picture of the case. Problem is, when your brain uses the human figure as a scale reference to compute the size of the case, it ends up looking gargantuan. I think they're trying to sell "small".
"But if we scale it correctly, you won't be able to make out any detail!"
Yes. So put another larger photo somewhere else on the page.
Uh, the article said that Apple users would like the way it looks. This guy was saying that Apple users would realize that this thing looks like crap.
what is funnny is that this dude thinks looks are all that matter.
I really don't think that was the point he was trying to get across, at all. I don't think he was even implying that, actually.
A lot of Apple users seem to take offense every time someone mentions their beloved brand name in a PC context. Clearly this author was trying to illustrate a very simple point about the Zen aesthetics and their derivitive nature. Look at it this way... You might not fall in love with a computer purely because of the looks, but there are a lot of computer users out there that barely give anything else a second thought.
What's truly funny is that you chose not to understand what that dude thinks...purely for the sake of being offended.
I've built and used three Shuttle XPCs, but I have not yet worked with the Zen model. At this point I must say that I'm disillusioned with the XPCs in general, and I can only hope that the Zen corrects the problems of previous models.
:( The drive cage itself is cheaply made and susceptible to vibrational noise; with a 7200rpm+ drive and a fast optical drive, this easily becomes a problem.
Due to the cramped interior design, physically accessing most internal components requires removing a number of other parts first. The drive cage in the SK41G actually has a bumper on the side because there's not enough space between the PCI slot and drive cage! The bumper bends my sound card to one side to keep it from making contact with the cage.
Externalizing the PSU is a laudable move. I've had considerable problems with XPCs overheating, and two of the XPCs I've worked with had bad PSU fans: one made a crackling noise, and the other was totally dead (out of the box). Why not just modularize the thing even further and externalize the drive cage as well?
The overheating problem is especially disappointing considering that, in my experience, the variable-rate SmartFans don't react quickly/intelligently enough to prevent heat-related system hangs. Using a high-performance video card in an XPC exacerbates this problem, which has forced me to run the fans on the highest setting at all times (yes, the CPU is burned-in, and I'm using a non-electrically-conductive thermal grease).
After three systems and two RMAs, I finally decided that Shuttle XPCs aren't for me.
I really welcome new small form factor computers like this one from Shuttle.
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As much as I like computers, I dislike
1. space they take up
2. rats nest of cables in the back (like Brazil)
3. fan noise
A laptop solves these problems, but at the sacrifice of a lousier keyboard and mouse interface.
The $300 price definitely helps market a machine, too, where used computers are cheap.
This is somewhat interesting, since this weekend I went the *opposite* route. I took an old Compaq Proliant server that they were throwing away at work, gutted it, and transplated my PC guts into it. I was looking to solve your #2 and #3, #1 isn't that big of a deal for me.
First off, what I took out - a working dual P133 motherboard. 4 4.3 GB SCSI drives, backplane, controller, etc. Dual 530W PS (DAMN big). All of it was working too. I put in the guts of my Linux machine, which is a Duron 1.13 (w/Zalman copper flower CPU cooler), CDRW, floppy, and 2 IDE HDDs. (which fit nicely on the removable SCSI rack plates), and a 400W Enermax whisper PS. I had to do some minor fabrication and modification, but it all fit. And working inside that case was really nice. No squinting and swearing, trying to get everything to fit inside. It was like building a PC inside a bathroom stall (proper analogy for a Compaq, with their damn special slider rails for drive bays and torx screws everywhere). But it is all pretty cool now. It is a massive machine, about 3 ft tall. The case is steel, so it is solid and quiet. There is plenty of airflow, and it runs cooler than before. And if the feds ever come and confiscate it, they'll probably throw out their back trying to lift it.
So while small form factor is cool, I think it is verging on the "disposible PC". Where is the "upgradeability" that I have been promised for years and years? I bought tons of PC hardware that was built to be "upgradeable", but every time I come to that point where I think about upgrading, I end up either getting stuff off of eBay, or buying a whole new system. From AT to ATX, from socket processor, to slot, back to socket. SIMM, DIMM, SDRAM, DDR, etc. Unless you upgrade every 2 years, you are probably going to be SOL, at least buying anything new. I highly doubt that you'll be able to upgrade any of these micro systems.
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Apple sells systems which no one has to open up, but which also preclude any meaningful competition. If I want a preconfigured shuttle system I can order one of my choosing from any of a thousand dealers, and lots of competition means I get a good value. It also means there are lots of independant dealers who have jobs trying to compete for my dollars instead of no jobs and collecting my money through the government.