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Forbes Sympathizes with Poor, Abused Fax.com

An anonymous reader writes "Forbes invites sympathy for Fax.com and other junk faxers who are apparently being victimized by 'a small army of plaintiffs, attorneys and self-appointed activists', and Forbes particularly takes aim at 'the high-tech ambulance chasers' whose offenses include providing 'step-by-step instructions on Internet sites, printable legal forms and names of attorneys who specialize in the trade' to individuals who've received illegal junk faxes and want to do something about it. Because of these nasties Fax.com is 'all but out of business' and Forbes seems to be worried that email spammers might share the same fate. Help, I think I've fallen into a parallel universe."

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  1. Sent him information by draziw · · Score: 4, Informative

    What an ass. slubove@forbes.com if you want to send this guy comments - a shame there isn't a easy to use fax number to send your thoughts - but e-mail can do. You can see his pic here: http://www.mayocommunications.com/1016mcq_lubove.j pg

    1. Re:Sent him information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      This post is posted "as is". Don't do anything stupid or illegal. For educational purposes only.

      Forbes.com

      28 West 23rd Street
      11th Floor
      New York, NY 10010
      Phone (212) 366-8900
      Fax (212) 366-8804

    2. Re:Sent him information by panaceaa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here is my e-mail to him:

      Your article, Fax and Friction (1/20/2004), gives the me the impression that companies illegally sending faxes should be allowed to do so without the threat of civil lawsuits. That's akin to arguing that murderers shouldn't be subject to civil lawsuits because the Feds already can prosecute them criminally. How does that make any sense?

      There are laws against junk faxes, and both the victims and the FCC can prosecute against perpetrators. Why should it be different because some financial institutions your magazine adores use Fax.com?

    3. Re:Sent him information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      this address is for forbes.com - the writer is at forbes magazine. they are two separate entities.

      use the reporters email address or use the 5th avenue address (magazine). you're wasting your time sending snail mail to forbes.com

  2. Fax.com Remove Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get your phone number removed here.

    Does anyone know if this actually works?

  3. Re:Woah woah by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not just funny. This is a case where the grammar police should be flogging the editor with a soggy ramen noodle. I, too, read it as if Forbes was sympathizing with the poor & abusing fax.com.

    Try reading "Eats, shoots and leaves", currently a top ten seller in the UK and due in the US sometime the colonials learn not to make tea with salt water.

    Forbes magazine is a pale shadow of what it was under the senior Forbes. Steve Forbes the son was the clueless google eyed loonie who ran against GW Bush for the GOP presidential nomination claiming GW would not do enough for the ultra-rich (like himself).

    It is somewhat rich to be given lectures in entepreneurship from a person who inherited every penny he owns. Come to that it was a bit much hearing the loonie prate on about 'familly values' and doing the standard GOP pander to the anti-gay bigots when Steve inherited his fortune from his gay father.

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  4. Re:I don't read Forbes by pyrotic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why do people read Forbes? There are good financial publications out there who actually have a clue - the Financial Times, The Ecomomist, Janes Defense Weekly, all tell it like it really is. Any business who takes what Forbes writes seriously is going to find itself in the position of Boeing. As the FT said last week:

    Boeing's 737, with almost 4,000 planes in the air, is the most successful commercial airliner in history. But the company's largest and riskiest project was the development of the 747 jumbo jet. When a non-executive director asked about the expected return on investment, he was brushed off: there had been some studies, he was told, but the manager concerned couldn't remember the results.

    It took only 10 years for Boeing to prove me wrong in asserting that its market position in civil aviation was impregnable. The decisive shift in corporate culture followed the acquisition of its principal US rival, McDonnell Douglas, in 1997. The transformation was exemplified by the CEO, Phil Condit. The company's previous preoccupation with meeting "technological challenges of supreme magnitude" would, he told Business Week, now have to change. "We are going into a value-based environment where unit cost, return on investment and shareholder return are the measures by which you'll be judged. That's a big shift."

    The company's senior executives agreed to move from Seattle, where the main production facilities were located, to Chicago. More importantly, the more focused business reviewed risky investments in new civil projects with much greater scepticism. The strategic decision was to redirect resources towards projects for the US military that involved low financial risk. Chicago had the advantage of being nearer to Washington, where government funds were dispensed.

    So Boeing's civil orderbook today lags that of Airbus, the European consortium whose aims were not initially commercial but which has, almost by chance, become a profitable business. And the strategy of getting close to the Pentagon proved counter- productive: the company got too close to the Pentagon, and faced allegations of corruption. And what was the market's verdict on the company's performance in terms of unit cost, return on investment and shareholder return? Boeing stock, $48 when Condit took over, rose to $70 as he affirmed the commitment to shareholder value; by the time of his enforced resignation in December 2003 it had fallen to $38.

  5. Re:What?!?!? RealityCheck! by zulux · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't see Forbes.COM publishing articles saying "pity the poor crack-dealers" now do you?

    Actually you do

    Forbs ran a "pitty the poor bud-growers" article a few months ago: link here

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  6. Re:We don't have to use the courts... by $ASANY · · Score: 4, Informative
    We can fight back against spammers with a growing number of tools that are becoming increasingly effective. Unsolicited Commando (http://www.astrobastards.net/uc) and Web Form Flooder (http://formflood.sourceforge.net) are a couple that allow you to make the databases that spammers collect less valuable to them.

    It's the profit motive of the spammers that needs to be attacked, and additional laws are unlikely to help a lot. The more we make their businesses unprofitable, the less we might see of them.