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Microsoft Revenue Up, Tries to Hook Third World

rocketjam writes "Microsoft reported record revenue for the last quarter Thursday due to increased sales of personal computers. Analysts were impressed with the company's overall performance, however they expressed concern about the continuing drop in unearned revenue, reflecting Microsoft's difficulty in signing up customers for long-term, sustainable business contracts. The $400 million drop in unearned revenue was less than the drop in the last quarter but still exceeded many analyst's expectations. The company's continuing problem in gaining long-term contracts is generally attributed to growing security concerns among customers and company's unwillingness to go along with Microsoft's 'Software Assurance' upgrade subscription plan." Also in the news: Microsoft is donating a pile of software to the United Nations -- retail value, $1 billion; wholesale value, maybe $1 million or so -- attempting to hook the Third World on Microsoft software.

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  1. Come on, Michael... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Mikey adds " .. retail value, $1 billion; wholesale value, maybe $1 million or so "

    Do you have any real data to back this up, Michael, or is this yet another of your unnecessary and unwanted biased editorials? Not that I'm in the pro-Microsoft camp but a 1000-to-1 profit line sounds pretty high. This is shoddy "journalism".

    Feel free to bitch slap me and any subsequent thread.

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    1. Re:Come on, Michael... by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it all depends on what he means by "wholesale value". If it just includes the costs involved in stamping out the CDs, I wouldn't doubt that it would be that cheap.

    2. Re:Come on, Michael... by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Storing these copies in warehouses costs money. Shipping the product costs money. Development costs money. Bug fixes (which MS does) costs money...

      Microsoft doesn't tell their people to go home after they release V1.0 of a product.

      man.. defending MS.. next thing you know I'll be going to church..

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    3. Re:Come on, Michael... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >Software, once written, has absolutely no economic value.

      And how can you say this with all the retail software stores out there?

      What do you think the person who wrote the software would say?

      Why not just openly copy things for free and then in court try and pull that argument to justify what sort of penalties should be applied?

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    4. Re:Come on, Michael... by GregWebb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nestle, anyone? For years they've been donating formula milk to hospitals in the third world. This isn't as good for the kids as their mothers' milk, costs them money if they carry on using it later (quite likely, if they stop feeding they'll also stop lactating - and guess what, breastfeeding is why women gain weight during pregnancy! Breastfeed your baby and you'll lose weight) and there isn't always a clean source of water, so causing problems there. By giving away the product for free, they cause major problems.

      Windows, Exchange, Office - they all cost money and once you've committed to a solution it's expensive and difficult to change. Giving free software can most definitely be damaging to the recipients.

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    5. Re:Come on, Michael... by RoLi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      $1 billion of cash and software

      I have the strong feeling that it's mostly the latter...

    6. Re:Come on, Michael... by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't be so condescending. It's not artificial value at all. I, as a consumer who can't write my own code, assign it a value. And you know what? To me XP *is* worth $200. And apparently, there are millions of people just like me. Granted, to you it may be worthless. So all in all, let's let the Third World decide what's it worth to them. They don't have to accept this donation you know. Give them a little more credit. I'm sure they know all about Linux and how it's free.

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    7. Re:Come on, Michael... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it is dictated by what someone else is willing to pay for it.

      This is exactly right. If this software was being donated for use in the United States, the retail value of the software donated might be somewhat relevant. But it's being donated for use in the third world. And we've seen countless articles about how the third world is embracing linux because they simply cannot afford even the reduced prices that Microsoft tries to charge in those countries.

      When donating something, it is not the donor or the recipient that gets to determine the value of the gift. I cannot donate an old junker of a car and claim that I donated a $35,000 automobile because I think I could sell it for that. Likewise, if Microsoft cannot reasonably charge that for the software they are donating, they should not be able to claim that figure either.

      When I visited the Amazon, I was able to buy a Coke for $0.08 in a small town that was easily 2-3 hours from anywhere. When I was in Paris, essentially the same product cost me almost $3. This difference in price has nothing to do with the cost of production/delivery but is entirely dependant on market forces.

      Put simply, MS software is worth next to nothing outside of first-world countries. Whether 1000-1 is correct, I cannot speculate without factual evidence to back it up. But it is x-1 where x is a pretty hefty number.

  2. "Hook" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    attempting to hook the Third World on Microsoft software

    While I'm an avid Linux fan, why do I get the feeling that if a large Linux distributor like Red Hat arranged for a glut of software to be sent to UN countries, the headline would have been slightly more flattering? Something like "generously supplied Third World coutries with Linux software" instead of the negative connotations implied with "hook" that is attached to Microsoft's gesture.

  3. Everyone nod your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "In the news today, something good happened to Microsoft. However, we at OSDN feel we must say something bad about them, so as not to focus less on the positive, more on the negative. Thank you for nodding your head."

  4. Hooking by jimhill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't see that it really matters if Microsoft tries to "hook" the Third World on their products. The Third World can't _afford_ Microsoft prices (sort of what makes them Third World) and so if they are using Microsoft products it will be at no gain to the company's bottom line.

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  5. Re:"the third world" by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not neccisarily. During the 90's MS knew that software priacy in China (real copy/sell piracy not ??AA piracy...)was big in China, but they let it happen because they the Chinese would get 'hooked' and MS products and then MS could really turn the screws and milk them. Drug dealer tactics. The first one is always free.

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  6. Re:"the third world" by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but there are a few benefits to this:

    1) They have a chance to get in on the ground floor in those countries. If all the people there are used to using MS software, guess what they'll keep using if/when the economy starts to get going?

    2) It pushes the numbers of people using Windows up, which is what a lot of PHBs look at. "Why would we switch over to Linux when 99% of the world uses Windows?!"

    3) Tax write-off.

    4) Looks good to consumers - "Wow, they're so generous!"

    5) Maybe MS just felt like being nice. There's no exclusivity agreement, so even if the people there take the free software, there's nothing stopping them from using alternative software if they feel like it. Pretty cool of MS.

  7. It's like this.. by loconet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A friend of my put it best ..

    "In other news, crack dealers give first hit of crack for free to kids"

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  8. Profit was not up by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read the statements again. 3 month income is down, year over year.

    Microsoft is trying to spin this as improved results, but they are just playing a shell game. Note that the increase revenue is more than balanced by increased expenses. Translation: Microsoft is buying sales and hiding the costs. Translation of the translation: Microsoft is being forced to offer heavy incentives to move their tired old products. Translation of the translation of the translation: a million Penguin bites really do hurt.

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  9. Re:Donating is a good thing by endoftheroadmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but: The desktop OS/Office Software market is not your typical 2-3 major-player market. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist with over 90% market share. This is not an offer of help, this is a predatory offer to stop 3rd world countries from adopting Open Source Software.

  10. Helloooooooooo? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't see that it really matters if Microsoft tries to "hook" the Third World on their products. The Third World can't _afford_ Microsoft prices (sort of what makes them Third World) and so if they are using Microsoft products it will be at no gain to the company's bottom line.

    You seem to have completely missed the finer points of monopoly versus normal competition. The very last thing you want as a monopoly is a competitive alternative. Read up on some basic economics about profits in monopoly versus duopoly and how much money it's rational to sink into barriers to entry.

    Microsoft would want nothing but for the third world to use their products, both officially (like this giveaway) and unofficially through piracy, because it means they're not using anything else. While they may cry their hearts out over the massive piracy, the truth is that if they actually forced them to pay, they'd lose their biggest barrier to entry.

    You're right, the third world doesn't gain their bottom line. But if they let an alternative develop and grow popular because their prices are too high, it could seriously hurt their bottom line where it matters - in the rich countries. That's what this is all about, what they are trying to prevent.

    That's also why threats of moving to Linux is so effective - the more people are on Linux, the more the rest can threaten to move to Linux. So it's probably cheaper to buy them off than to increase the Linux userbase and make the switchover threat worse. They sacrifice a little profit to keep their monopoly, because that is what matters in the greater picture.

    Kjella

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  11. Yeah, sure, why not by andih8u · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is obviously doing this just to hook the third world. Its not like they, nor Bill Gates have ever made any charitable donations before, right?

    Maybe one day slashdot will get rid of Michael and will slowly become a respectable news source again.

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  12. Re:sloppy reporting by One+Louder · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It really depends upon what you consider the "value" of donated software - is it simply the costs of the media, or the artificially constructed retail price? What Michael was alluding to was not that Microsoft's software is worth only 0.1% of the retail price, but rather that the actual hard cost to Microsoft for the donation is orders of magnitude less than the fake "value". Where this is important is at tax write-off (or press release) time - they donate a CD with Office that costs them $0.05, and can try to write off $300. In some cases it's even less - they donate a single CD and grant a site license.

    If you like, I'll give you $1000 worth of software - it's easy because I can arbitrarily set the "value" of a trivial chunk of code at $1000 and be no different that what Microsoft is doing here. This is why Microsoft likes to donate software or vouchers for software (most which usually come back to them) instead of cash.

  13. Re:sloppy reporting by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The people who run this web site are not journalists by any stretch of the imagination. They never were, and they never will be. The only one to come remotely close to that description was Katz, but he was so far gone to the left that it didn't matter.

    I agree with what you're saying, but I cringe whenever someone accuses them of "shoddy journalism" - that's an insult to real journalists everywhere. Instead, they should be criticized for running a web site that unfortunately commands the attention of millions of people all over the world and knowingly appending their snippy comments to stories submitted by other people in order to sway the opinion of said millions (ok, maybe thousands).

    Being a "perl hacker" (whatever the hell that means) and hitting the jackpot by accident does not make you a journalist anymore thatn learning to hack a weird scripting language makes you a professional software developer.