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AOL Tests Sender Permitted From / E-mail Caller ID

securitas writes "ZDNet reports that AOL is testing Sender Permitted From (SPF), 'an antispam filter intended to accurately trace the origin of e-mail messages.' AOL is performing the widescale SPF test with its 33 million subscribers worldwide. The system works by letting recipients use the SPF record to cross-check DNS data associated with AOL's IP addresses and confirm that the message originated from AOL's servers. The system is one of three competing e-mail authentication protocols. The other IP-identifying protocols are the Designated Mailers Protocol (DMP) and Reverse Mail Exchange (RME/RMX). All systems alter the DNS database to let e-mail servers publish the IP addresses that they use to send e-mail."

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  1. this is not whitelist. by man_ls · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not a whitelist filter.

    It's not any kind of a filter.

    It just means that AOL has published SPF records for its mail servers in their DNS entries. Any mail server speaking SPF, receiving mail from AOL.COM, will check the SPF record.

    If the SPF record (which will contain the IP addresses of AOL's mail servers) doesn't match the originating IP address of the mail message (as in, a spoofed header) the message is invalid. Then it can be either dropped or bounced or whatever.

    If the SPF record matches the initiating IP address (as in the case of a message legitimately sent by the mail server) it's clear and goes through.

    1. Re:this is not whitelist. by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Informative
      So, in essence, AOL has decided that it's customers can no longer send mail from their AOL email address, unless they're logged into AOL.

      No, they haven't. Here's the current TXT record for aol.com.:

      v=spf1 ip4:152.163.225.0/24 ip4:205.188.139.0/24 ip4:205.188.144.0/24 ip4:205.188.156.0/24 ip4:205.188.157.0/24 ip4:205.188.159.0/24 ip4:64.12.136.0/24 ip4:64.12.137.0/24 ip4:64.12.138.0/24 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all

      Now, if you knew SPF, you would recognize that the last bit -- ?all -- means that AOL is not stating that AOL-user mail is only legitimate if sent from AOL mail servers. The ?all tag means that hosts that don't match the rest of the SPF record are taken as unknown -- not as failures. That would be -all.

    2. Re:this is not whitelist. by fo0bar · · Score: 3, Informative
      Good idea, but the default port for SMTP over SSL is still port 25.

      Actually, the default port for SMTP-over-SSL is 465. However, there is also SSL-over-SMTP (aka STARTTLS), where the client connects to the server on port 25, client does an EHLO, server lists STARTTLS as a capability, client issues STARTTLS command, and from that point on both sides communicate over SSL.

    3. Re:this is not whitelist. by kiolbasa · · Score: 3, Informative

      ISPs that provide SMTP-auth relaying accessible from outside their network usually make it available on an alternate port, say 2025. Most moderm mail apps now make it easy to use a different port. And I don't think it is too much to ask, or too dirty of a hack, since the only purpose of this port is authenticated mail relaying, not actual delivery. The distinction between the two is becoming more important for a useful system. E-mail is changing. Thank the spammers.

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  2. Publish SPF records by FattMattP · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't forget to publish SPF records for your domain if you have the ability to do so. If you have already done so, please register your domain via the validator.

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  3. Re:AOL muscle by FattMattP · · Score: 5, Informative
    Using muscle to force the Internet into a standard isn't going to work. We need something that *is* a standard, rather than *pushing* a standard upon people.
    SPF isn't an AOL thing. It's something created independently and several people, most notably Meng Weng Wong, are working hard to make it a standard. There is an RFC in draft form. Feel free to join the mailing list if you want to participate in its development. AOL is just the largest user at the moment along with several others:
    • AOL.com
    • AltaVista.com
    • DynDNS.org
    • LiveJournal.com
    • OReilly.com
    • Oxford.ac.uk
    • PhilZimmermann.com
    • Perl.org
    • w3.org
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    Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
  4. Re:Hrm by GammaTau · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know anyone respectable who uses AOL so I won't ever be able to find out how this works...

    Heh. Actually (if I have understood correctly) SPF should prevent anyone from spoofing aol.com as the sender address during the SMTP session. So if a spammer attempts to spoof aol.com and your mail server is SPF-aware, then it would be good for you and AOL because you won't get spam and AOL won't get bounces for the addresses that had problems with delivery (and with spam, problems with delivery are not rare).

    At least this is how I have understood it.

  5. Built on existing standard by richard_za · · Score: 5, Informative
    A little research showed that it is built on existing standards, namely DNS and SASL SMTP. This should ease it's implementation. But heres some obvious ways to prevent spam.
    • If you have a common first name, don't have an email address of the form firstname@domain, you are guaranteed to be hit by a dictionary attack
    • Don't publish your email address on the web, make sure any websites you subscribe to hide your email address or use email address hiding technique
    • If your on a mailing list make sure that if the archive is available on web that it hides your address
    • Use a bayesian mail filter
  6. Re:Doesn't protect against cracked computers by FattMattP · · Score: 5, Informative
    The biggest weakness of this system is that it doesn't protect against some user's system sitting on a broadband DSL/Modem line that has a Trojan Horse used to e-mail the spam. AOL's system probably would only encourage more viruses/worm designed to make computers email relays.
    Correct. SPF isn't an anti-spam tool. It's an anti-forgery tool. AOL's SPF record in effect says "These are the IP addresses that are authorized to send mail whose FROM: address ends in aol.com. Please take that fact into consideration if you receive mail that says it's from aol.com but doesn't come from one of the authorized IP addresses."
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  7. Why this is a big deal by jhunsake · · Score: 5, Informative

    It means that any system administrator can configure their mail transfer agent to bin any spam pretending to come from aol.com with a 100% success rate. And this goes for anyone else publishing an SPF record for your domain.

    SPF is a proposed standard for a domain owner to tell mailers where mail From: that domain may originate. The domain owner publishes a DNS TXT record for their domain with (at the simplest) list of IP addresses. Participating mail transfer agents can then look this record up and make a policy decision on whether the mail is likely to be legitimate. The presence of an SPF record on a domain at present means that while you still can't be sure when you're handling spam, you can be sure when you have a piece of non-spam because the SPF record tells you so.

    SPF is not a wholly original idea (e.g. up "designated mailer protocol"), and certainly not the simplest implementation but the important factor is that its proponent, Meng Wong, is an excellent lobbyer and spokesperson, as well as someone who as the nous to put forward a useful protocol (he founded pobox.com). It's currently at the point where lots of implementation are being written, with the canonical version being Meng's Perl modules. Currently I'm helping to finish the C implementation which will shortly be integrated into qmail and exim.

    The tipping point (I hope) will be when a domain not publishing an SPF record or publishing a globaly permissive one will be considered "obviously" untrustworthy. Combining SPF authorisation with a more traditional "From: domain blacklist" will give spammers a very very hard time indeed forging mail. But AOL publishing a record (we hope) shows the way the wind is blowing: the rest of the world does seem to have to change their mail server configuration to keep mail flowing to AOL.

    So go on, it's dead easy, publish a record for your domain now. Tell people where your mail comes from. Look, there's even a wizard to help you.

  8. you missunderstand SPF by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 3, Informative
    Lots of e-businesses generate unique email addresses for different consumer requests, which can then be thrown away, and individuals and mailing list managers (like ezmlm for subscription confirmations) do this too. It works because often the part of the email address after a + sign (or for qmail, a -) is ignored by the mail delivery agent, but can still be used for filtering/sorting mail by the user. Seems to me any DNS-based email address registry has to be smart enough to deal with it.

    The recipient's MTA will check the sender's SPF record. You can auto-generate all the email accounts you'd like, only the domain name portion of the email address is authenticated in SPF.

    In fact that was one of the arguments against SPF, people said that it did not go far enough and actually authenticate users.

    Personally, as someone who has to administer an email server and whose domains are sometimes used in forgeries for spam ( last one was a few days ago ), I'm all for SPF.

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  9. Re:Doesn't protect against cracked computers by wayne · · Score: 3, Informative
    Yes, but those cracked PCs will not be able to send email claiming to be from my domain to anyone who listens to my very restrictive SPF records. This will help reduce the number of bounces I back from forged sender addresses.

    SPF is just one tool to help tighten up the security of the SMTP system. It lets domain owners say who is authorized to send email using their domain name. This is a useful thing to do, and it allows for other things to build on it. For example, RHSBLs that blacklist domain names instead of IP addresses are much more useful after SPF checking has been done. SPF checking can also help detect phishing schemes.

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  10. Re:What about commercial or throwaway accounts? by Alawishes · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a great feature! I never understood how it would really work until I started using Shadango (based on a recommendation posted on /.)

    See, I generate a disposable ("Spamtrap") account, and post that all over the internet. When the crap gets too unbearable, I just regenerate it. I can't even imagine how I survived without a disposable account in the past.

    Also, and more related to the story, what will happen to sites that let you consolidate all your other accounts? I use Shadango to check my POP/IMAP/Y!/Hotmail/AOL/mail.com accounts (because it filters them, plus I have a bigger quota), but I guess it's just a matter of time until I won't be able to 'send' from those addresses anymore.

    Hmmm... it sucks that spammers have slowly taken away all the freedom that the email

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  11. Re:Still don't get it.... by billh · · Score: 4, Informative
    Seriously. Are you people really getting so much spam every day that the "delete" button just doesn't do it for you?

    New: 2911 Total: 8639

    That is from the last 6 weeks. Less than 1% are real messages (domain renewals).

  12. Re:Some educated opinions on the subject. by gfilion · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before looking at SPF you may want to read what Claus Assmann [theaimsgroup.com], and Wietse Venema [theaimsgroup.com] have to say on the subject.

    You might also want to read what Steve Bellovin (one of the guys who invented USENET among other things) and Eric Raymond have to say about it. They spend a little more time understanding SPF...

    Wired story with Raymond's comments.

    Bellovin's comments in an email to the SPF mailing list.

  13. Re:As usual, D. J. Bernstein has the ACTUAL soluti by gfilion · · Score: 3, Informative

    The idea behind Internet Mail 2000 [cr.yp.to] is obviously correct. Why waste time on DNS-based approaches when we COULD be developing the Solution?

    Because it's not backward compatible.

    SPF is a simple and backward compatible solution to email forgeries. People who don't use it are still able to use email, while people who use it are protected against forgeries.

    Everyone and their brother are reinvented email theses days without realising that you need to improve the existing email system. It's not possible to throw away the existing system.

  14. Re:Still don't get it.... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, in the near-term, SPF won't do anything to slow the quantity of spam. Regardless of what the most die-hard rabid supporters would like everyone to believe.

    SPF is an attempt to stop the practice of domain-forging or "joe-jobbing". Which, for a business domain is important. Right now, anyone can pretend to be joe@mycompany.com and either tarnish our company's name, or simply make life extremely difficult for us when our ISP cuts us off for spamming (when we didn't do it).

    However, it is likely to have some beneficial side-effects like making domain-based whitelisting/blacklisting more effective. It raises the bar one more notch for a spammer (now they have to either find a non-protected domain to forge, route their spam through authorized servers for a domain where it's likely to be noticed and blocked, or register throw-away domains to push their product).

    (And SPF is very similar to what AOL already requires if you want to have your domain whitelisted with them. You're required to list the IP addresses that send outbound e-mail for your domain, anything else gets dumped in the bit-bucket or at least is likely to get tagged as spam by the filters.)

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  15. Re:Simply Amazed by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

    SPF is based on the envelope sender not the From address - I suggest you read the FAQ first.

    Yes, you have to change the envelope on each hop, but that's a good thing, as it means that each hop is validated which makes it harder to spam.

  16. Re:No Faking Here by Trebonius · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not really.

    If you use the smtp server (with authentication) provided by whoever owns the domain name on your 10-year-old email address, and they set up SPF, you'll be fine.

    SPF doesn't have anything to do with what IP address you connect to the smtp server from. It just validates the smtp server.

    It just means you can't use your own local mail server to send from a domain you don't own.