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USPTO Grants CA Lawyer Domain-Naming Patent

SpecialAgentXXX writes "Geek.com reports that as of Dec 30, 2003, CA lawyer Frank Weyer holds patent #6,671,714 which is 'a method for assigning URL's and e-mail addresses to members of a group comprising the steps of: assigning each member of said group a URL of the form name.subdomain.domain and assigning each member of said group an e-mail address of the form name@subdomain.domain.' He's now, in SCO-like fashion, suing Network Solutions and Register.com for infringing on his patent. This is nonsense. My friend who ran for political office in 2000 used this exact naming scheme for his web site. All of us here can see how asinine this is. Will our legal system?"

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  1. USPTO, by Xandu · · Score: 4, Funny

    you have pissed us off too many times.
    Prepare to be slashdotted.

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  2. DUPE. by mekkab · · Score: 4, Informative

    And I warned the "On Duty" editor, but i guess they're just asleep at the wheel.

    All we need now are:
    1) references to the McDonalds coffee lawsuit
    2) SCO jokes
    3) a comparison to Falling down at Walmart
    4) Posts bemoaning the loss of Goatse

    And it'll be a typical Wednesday morning on Slashdot!

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    1. Re:DUPE. by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Funny
      If *I* can remember that this worthless story was a dupe why can't they?
      Ohh! I know! Let me, let me! How's this:
      Because the "Editors" don't actually read Slashdot
      Is that it? Did I get it right?
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    2. Re:DUPE. by RagManX · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't think it was a dupe, I thought the USPTO had done it again. :)

      While I was shocked recently to read that the USPTO awarded this patent, imagine how shocked I was today to read that they had awarded it *AGAIN* to someone. I wonder if the two guys who got it will sue each other now?

      RagManX

    3. Re:DUPE. by nate1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you hear the REAL reason that goatse.cx was taken down?

      Darl McBride fell down in a Walmart, spilling his scalding hot coffee on his (very shrivelled) member. He got so hopping mad he called David Boies and said "SUE EVERYBODY". In the resulting shitstorm, a Cease and Decist was accidentally sent to goatse.cx.

      And that's how it happened.

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    4. Re:DUPE. by vmfedor · · Score: 5, Interesting
      How about because the editors have to look at hundreds of stories at a time and you only see what they give you?

      Seeing a dupe story isn't going to do anything more than cause you 5 minutes or less of inconvenience and considering Slashdot is provided free-for-everyone I don't think that slashdotters have any right to complain.

      I'm not trying to be a troll and I'm not trying to insult you, but jeez, cut slashdot a break.

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    5. Re:DUPE. by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
      Because the "Editors" don't actually read Slashdot

      Have a heart, they're probably all sharing Cmdr Taco's (56kbps) pipe.

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    6. Re:DUPE. by rainmanjag · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know. I'll patent "A method of annoying Slashdot readers by publishing articles about the same exact event twice." That way, it will be illegal to have dupes!

      -jag

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  3. Prior art has to be out there... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This patent was filed on November 23, 1999.

    There has to be prior art out there that shoots this down.

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    1. Re:Prior art has to be out there... by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Freeserve and Demon at the very least in the uk.... I got robb@embers-fire.freeserve.co.uk a long long time ago.....

    2. Re:Prior art has to be out there... by igaborf · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There has to be prior art out there that shoots this down.

      Which raises some questions that perhaps someone with IP legal knowledge can address:

      1. Does the patent process impose any legal requirement of due diligence in searching for prior art?
      2. If so, are there any legal sanctions available for those who fail to perform due diligence or who knowingly apply for an interfering patent?
      3. If not, why not?

    3. Re:Prior art has to be out there... by YomikoReadman · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about the US Government? This is how all .mil address are done, AFAIK. the domains are structured base.branchofservice.mil, and all email address associated with them are structured as fname.lname@base.BOS.mil. That being the case, this method of domain name assignment is as old as the internet itself, since DARPA used this method while setting up ARPANet way back in the 70s. This begs the question of 'How the hell did this patent get approved?'

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    4. Re:Prior art has to be out there... by RealityMogul · · Score: 4, Funny

      A couple years ago the patent office lost a legal battle over their use of a rubber stamp with the word "DENIED" on it. Apparently someone had a patent on the device, and the USPTO was in violation.

    5. Re:Prior art has to be out there... by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
      A couple years ago the patent office lost a legal battle over their use of a rubber stamp with the word "DENIED" on it. Apparently someone had a patent on the device, and the USPTO was in violation.


      So they obviously switched to the un-patented "APPROVED" one, and all is running smoothly...

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  4. This is GOOD news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Patents like this cannot be enforced. With enough of these, the feds will be forced to re-examine the system.

    Don't get mad. This is good news. It means we're one day closer to patent reform.

  5. Link To Patent Text by Mateito · · Score: 5, Informative

    Link to patent text

    Its not like the patent office don't deserve a good slashdotting.

  6. END Internet Patents NOW! by haplo21112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This really needs to be a presidential election issue. I'll vote for whoever says they will end Internet Technology patents.

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  7. He won't get anywhere with this. by Guyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's most definitely a case of "Hey, I wonder if I can nab this now and later screw the world out of their money..." Though when it comes right down to the letter of his patent, how can he sue Network Solutions and Registrar.com? THEY'RE not the ones who's actually DOING the process - all they're doing is lining up domains with IP addresses. It's all of the individual websites and ISPs that are supposedly infringing his patent - at least, the ones that set up e-mail and websites the way he describes.

    This case won't stand up in court, and for it to stand up at all, it would have to be against an ISP or organization that assigns URLs and e-mails in the precise fashion his patent states - like my old website (now defunct) guy.thetaint.org with my e-mail having had been guy@thetaint.org.

  8. We did that back in '95... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I worked for an ISP many years ago (Galaxy Star Systems), we did that very thing with the domain "tulsa.net". We put their webpages at hostname.tulsa.net. Any email to hostname.tulsa.net was forwarded to their single email account.

    We're talking 1995 technology here, and it was obvious at the time.

  9. Oh the irony by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a method for assigning URL's and e-mail addresses to members of a group comprising the steps of: assigning each member of said group a URL of the form name.subdomain.domain and assigning each member of said group an e-mail address of the form name@subdomain.domain.'

    You know what's funny? the USPTO is supposed to do prior art research to grant patents. Well guess where you can find prior art for this method? at the USPTO itself. Here for example:

    estta.uspto.gov is a live server, and
    estta@uspto.gov is a valid email address at USPTO.

    You gotta love these guys ...

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  10. Contact Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get angry, folks, and tell these people what you think. Hell hath no fury like a Slashdotter.

    Frank Weyer,
    Beverly Hills patent attorney
    also the founder of EveryMD.com

    EveryMD.com
    323/874-2567
    866-EveryMD (866/383-7963)
    fweyer@everymd.com

    His address:
    264 S. La Cienega Blvd., #1224, Beverly Hills, CA 90211

  11. We need a new law tool: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Case dismissed, suing party shot for being total asshole."

  12. Re:USPS Needs a Major Overhaul by Queuetue · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you have against the the postal service?

  13. Re:scaremongering by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The present invention overcomes the limitations of the prior art by providing a method, apparatus and business system that allow a user to quickly communicate online with a member of a particular business, professional or other group regardless of whether the member has an internet presence (e.g. e-mail address or website) and without the user needing to know or find the internet address for the recipient.

    He's already refereing to prior art, and it actualy seems his "idea" is a bit different from what we already use and know.

    The patented system would allow someone to write directly to some professional without knowing his email address. It would be a simpler system than to have to use a search engine and then search an email on the website to communicate.

    I must agree this is a very subtle difference and the guy's interpretation is stupid. However, just because of that, I am vey curious to see how the lawsuits turn out.

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  14. Different standards ... by the+bluebrain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reading this article, and the many that came before on the subject of "silly patents", the following occurs to me:

    - There is hardly a workday that passes where I am not called upon to come up with several solutions to problems that, by the standards given by this patent, are eminently patentable.
    - The solutions I come up with that make me happy, about once a fortnight - meaning that I drink my next cup of coffee with a smile - are pure fucking genius, and by rights ought to make me richer than Bill.
    - The solutions I come up with, about once every couple of months, where I actually wave my co-workers over and go "lookit this!", and am disappointed if they don't go "neeet! ... so how's it done?", lift me into god-like status, blinding all those in a three-mile radius around me with my sheer brilliance.

    The fact that the people in my immediate environment are not blind tells me either A) that, in fact, most people working in IT have gained this god-like status and are immune to the blinding light, or B) that the people who came up with those patents that do hit the /. frontpage belong to some arcane subgroup of humanity the members of which should strike through one, if not both of the "sapiens" following the implied description of their species.

    /end rant

    Well, at least guys like this make SCO feel less alone in the world.

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  15. What it will take to challenge by waterbear · · Score: 4, Informative

    USPTO, you have pissed us off too many times.
    Prepare to be slashdotted.


    This sure does look to me like yet another patent without any apparent ingenuity at all.

    But before getting ignored by the USPTO, /.ers might like to note first, that the filing date of the application leading to this wretched patent was Nov 23, 1999, so anything done in 2000 can't be relied on as prior art.

    Second, the subject of the patent appears to be the coordinated allocation of email addresses and matching web addresses, such as an email address of willrobinson@physicians.org, along with a web address of http://willrobinson.physicians.org.

    While I would personally agree that this is a case of 'Eureka - not!', that won't cut any ice at the USPTO. In reality, evidence of relevant prior art would be needed to take this out.

    The prior art would include (a) anything that was used in the US or published in print before 23 Nov 1998, (b) anything used in the US or published in print in the period 11/23/98-11/22/99 -- except insofar as the 'inventors' don't prove that they 'invented' it first, and (c) anything 'invented' in the US before the named inventors did it, whenever that was.

    -wb-

    1. Re:What it will take to challenge by rifter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "USPTO, you have pissed us off too many times.
      Prepare to be slashdotted."

      This sure does look to me like yet another patent without any apparent ingenuity at all.

      But before getting ignored by the USPTO, /.ers might like to note first, that the filing date of the application leading to this wretched patent was Nov 23, 1999, so anything done in 2000 can't be relied on as prior art.

      Second, the subject of the patent appears to be the coordinated allocation of email addresses and matching web addresses, such as an email address of willrobinson@physicians.org, along with a web address of http://willrobinson.physicians.org.

      While I would personally agree that this is a case of 'Eureka - not!', that won't cut any ice at the USPTO. In reality, evidence of relevant prior art would be needed to take this out.

      The prior art would include (a) anything that was used in the US or published in print before 23 Nov 1998, (b) anything used in the US or published in print in the period 11/23/98-11/22/99 -- except insofar as the 'inventors' don't prove that they 'invented' it first, and (c) anything 'invented' in the US before the named inventors did it, whenever that was.

      -wb-

      Firstly, this story is a dupe. Secondly, as was pointed out in the first story, what you (and the patent) describe has been common practice since the beginning of DNS, so it should not be a problem finding prior art. What is a problem is that the USPTO seems so intent on allowing clueless morons make such important decisions about technology patents. They really need to be reviewed by people who are "sufficiently skilled in the art" so that patents on thinsg which are obvious to such people (or known by them to be previously done / common practice ) will no longer be granted.

      I am getting really tired of this pattern of

      1) Find something a lot of people are already doing

      2) File for a patent describing just that

      3) Sue everyone

      4) ???

      5) Profit!

      We need to make doing this a federal crime punishable by hundreds of years in pound-me-in-the-ass prison or else we will continue to suffer the consequences.

    2. Re:What it will take to challenge by tonyr60 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well this appears to be an example oif prior art...

      http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0799.txt?number=0799

      And dated September 1981!

  16. Netidentity/Mailbank, since 1996 Prior Art found by HDlife · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here it is, exactly, in 1998 at Mailbank.

    Mailbank.com at Archive.org, Nov. 11, 1998.

    Just send me my reward money now. I've been using those domain hijackers for years for email/web.