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Warspying in San Francisco

hak_fan writes "SecurityFocus has a story on a group of radio hobbiests in San Francisco who occasionally go out warspying for wireless cameras in the 2.4GHz band, using some customized equipment. Their latest expedition turned up some interesting finds."

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  1. Hmmmm by djrogers · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the ./ blurb
    Their latest expedition turned up some interesting finds.
    and from the story
    But just what are the video sniffers picking up? If the San Francisco expedition late last week is any indication, the answer is, not all that much.
    Methinks the reality high-tech peeping tom world is probably quite a bit less sexy than some people's fantasies of it....
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  2. Broadcast privacy by nuggz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you broadcast something, you shouldn't expect it to remain private.

    If you want it to remain private, do something.
    Encrypt it, or don't send it out to everybody.

    1. Re:Broadcast privacy by Troed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any encryption can be broken given enough time.

      If the universe has stopped existing before you've broken the encryption I think most people consider that to be "unbreakable".

      Modern crypto is that strong.

  3. Maybe no lesbian orgies, but by Z-MaxX · · Score: 2, Insightful
    these are geeks we're talking about, not perverts:
    With a little detective work, MWD will eventually discover that the signal is a directional transmission from the camera to a local TV station that features the feed on its website and in its nightly newscast. His satisfaction at the discovery hints at the real nature of warspying: at least for WMD, the appeal isn't voyeuristic at all -- it's pure geek.
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  4. Re:I call movie rights! by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Enemy of the state?

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  5. Re:Interesting. by Secrity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IANAL It wouldn't be illegal to receive this stuff no matter what the format. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy for transmissions in this band (it is not even intended for communications use). One really cool thing about this band is that no license is required to operate in the band and there are tons of perfectly good 500 to 1000 watt 2.4 MHz magnetrons with power supplies discarded every year -- free for the taking from dumpsters and the sides of residential streets. You can even buy a new 2.4 MHz magnetron with power supply for almost nothing.

  6. Re:I can't believe they aren't in jail yet... by lxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody has a right to sniff like that.

    If you don't want people sniffing you, you shouldn't stink up the place.
    This is equivalent to communicating with your neighbours by shouting out of the window and then complaining that people are listening to what you say.
    As another poster pointed out, if you're broadcasting, you shouldn't expect privacy. If you're sold a wireless system as a private link, then the people to complain to are the sellers of the hardware for false advertising.

  7. Re:I can't believe they aren't in jail yet... by eggoeater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know this is a troll but.....
    If you're stupid enough to BROADCAST anything without encryption, then you're waving your right to privacy. There's plenty of cameras out there that don't use wireless. If you're worried about privacy, use those.
    What IS illegal is enforcing you're own "justice" with a large hunk of wood.
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  8. Re:Interesting. by Scott+Lockwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try snooping on someones cell phone conversation, and then use that as your defense in court.

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  9. "warviewing"? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful
    MWD first went warspying (he prefers the neutral term "warviewing")

    What the hell is this crap? It's NOT neutral. I can see it now...

    Reporter: "So Mr. Car Thief..."
    Thief: "Please. I prefer the term Vehicle Posession Transferal Agent".

    You ARE spying. You're looking where you shouldn't; that's spying, just like eavesdropping on 802.11b is spying; you know your victims are probably not expecting you to be looking, and you know it's wrong. If your neighbor has a 8-foot high shrub, and you stick your head through it to see what's going on in his yard, that's considered intrusive by most of the world unless you know 'em pretty well. It's not considered "viewing". If you put a mirror over the top of the stall in the bathroom to look at the guy next to you, that's spying. Not "viewing".

    Why do I get the image of Comic Book Guy reading about MWD? Even the "please, call me..." crap is the same.

    1. Re:"warviewing"? by thentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is *not* spying. In both your bathroom example and neighbor-shrub example, the bathroom wall and shrub are erected to prevent viewing; thus, circumventing that could be 'spying'. Walking or driving around picking up unencrypted, broadcasted video signals is not circumventing anything. If they had been doing decryption, then it could be spying; the way it is, they're merely sightseeing. Don't want people admiring the architecture of your house, or your landscaping skills? Erect a wall/shrubbery. Don't want people viewing your nanny-cam? Encrypt the signal. Otherwise, you're putting that signal out there for sightseers.

  10. Re:I can't believe they aren't in jail yet... by LittleBigLui · · Score: 2, Insightful
    People have a right to privacy.


    some might tend to think you don't want privacy if you broadcast videos of your life all over the place
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  11. Re:Ugh. by Papa+Legba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You sir, have destroyed a peice of my faith in humanity that I was unaware that I had. This revelation is wrong on so many levels. I weep for the humanity of it all.

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  12. Re:Admitting you're a dork? by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He didn't say jail. He said be taken back to the station. There is a big difference between getting hauled in to the station and being booked overnight at county.

    They don't strip search you at the station.

    MM
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