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Robots for No Man's Land

Roland Piquepaille writes "The Stryker is an 18-ton infantry vehicle, already deployed by the U.S. army in places such as Iraq. Right now, it has human drivers. But that will no longer be the case by 2010, when it will be driven by a robot. Today, the Stryker has a 'ladar' scanner, which emits 400,000 laser and radar beams and snaps 120 images every second. 'Its brain -- a 40-pound computer system tucked inside its body -- processes that data, and makes instant judgments on how to act and where to go.' These robots are developed by General Dynamics Robotic Systems, Inc. (GDRSI), which received $185 million last November to build between 30 and 60 automated-navigation prototypes to be used in all kinds of military vehicles. This overview contains more details, references and photographs."

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  1. FAQ about Stryker by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Informative


    http://www.johnringo.com/stryker.htm

    This article/FAQ is very unkind to the Stryker.

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  2. Why The Stryker??? by aluminumcube · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those of you who haven't kept up with the Stryker, it's the latest blundering troop transport hardware that was originally a good idea, but got turned into a scary pile of US soldier killing metal.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/con gress/ 2003_rpt/stryker_reality_of_war.pdf

    Highlights?

    - Designed to be transportable by a C-130, but can't.
    - Designed for the modern urban battlefield, but too big to make a U-turn on even the widest streets.
    - Designed to face the weapons of our enemies, but the armor cannot withstand Rocket Propelled Grenades (a hugely prolific weapon in Iraq and Afganistan, even now).

    To top it all off, the light tank varient of the Stryker (which the entire Stryker Brigade concept relies upon for support) cannot fire it's weapon if infantry troops are within 200' (the muzzle blast will fry them due to the huge compensator needed) and the cannon cannot be fired off to the side of the vehicle, or the recoil will knock it over. What a great piece of equipment!

    Not to hijack the thread, but this is just another attempt for General Dynamics to get some good press out of a complete piece of shit program that is endangering the lives of the grunts who are forced to work with it.

  3. pork by 0WaitState · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is the same Stryker that has such thin armor around the enormous wheel wells that machine-gun bullets can penetrate, would kill its own crew if the turret howitzer were fired, and is best taken out via a simple molotov cocktail setting fire to its tires. It is intended to be air-deployed, but is so close to the weight margin that some armor had to be eliminated. In some configurations the Stryker has to be split across 3 planes and assembled on-site. Oh, and the thing is the size of a school bus--just what you want in urban situations requring manouverability, which is supposedly among its missions.

    The Stryker is a mistake--I can see why they'd bolt the robot onto it in order to keep funding going, or to mask the sunk cost on this turkey. I couldn't find the PDF detailing these problems, so try this link: stryker problems Right now it's most interesting as an example of the strength of momentum some defense procurement contracts have.

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    1. Re:pork by 0WaitState · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stryker's armor is heavier than the armored version of the hummer, but not so armored as the Bradley, by intent.

      Umm, it's not so armored as an M113A either, and lacks internal compartmentalization. The Stryker wastes an insane amount of weight on independent drive to each of 8 wheels, leaving little margin for armor if it is to be carried by a C130. Comparing it with a HumVee costing 1/10th as much is idiotic, especially when you consider that a C130 can carry THREE HumVees in roll-off configuration whereas it can carry a single Stryker only with the ammo and parts stored separately.

      The sort of machine gun caliber that can penetrate the wheel wells are only mounted on aircraft

      My mistake saying machine-gun--the wheel well armor isn't even rated vs 7.62 mm rounds--an AK47 can penetrate.

      Now, I'd like to see you design a tank that can go where the Stryker can. Ain't gonna happen. You add more armor and it will sink in the sand.

      Where can an 18 ton tracked vehicle not go that a Stryker can? I'll take a tracked Bradley in the sand over the wheeled Stryker any day, and so would you. The Bradley and M1 are both known to be 10mph faster off-road than the Stryker. And as far as cheap air-deployable fire support, give me an M8. Strykers in combat are targets, not weapons platforms.

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  4. Re:Stryker? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Informative

    For me, Sands of Iwo Jima comes to mind

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041841/
    Sgt. John M. Stryker

    But actually the name comes from two Medal of Honor citations
    http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiib1.htm

    "Private First Class, U.S. Army, Company E, 513th Parachute Infantry, 17th Airborne Division. Place and date: Near Wesel, Germany, 24 March 1945. Entered service at: Portland, Oreg. Birth. Portland, Oreg. G.O. No.: 117, 11 December 1945. Citation. He was a platoon runner, when the unit assembled near Wesel, Germany after a descent east of the Rhine. Attacking along a railroad, Company E reached a point about 250 yards from a large building used as an enemy headquarters and manned by a powerful force of Germans with rifles, machineguns, and 4 field pieces. One platoon made a frontal assault but was pinned down by intense fire from the house after advancing only 50 yards. So badly stricken that it could not return the raking fire, the platoon was at the mercy of German machine gunners when Pfc. Stryker voluntarily left a place of comparative safety, and, armed with a carbine, ran to the head of the unit. In full view of the enemy and under constant fire, he exhorted the men to get to their feet and follow him. Inspired by his fearlessness, they rushed after him in a desperate charge through an increased hail of bullets. Twenty-five yards from the objective the heroic soldier was killed by the enemy fusillades. His gallant and wholly voluntary action in the face of overwhelming firepower, however, so encouraged his comrades and diverted the enemy's attention that other elements of the company were able to surround the house, capturing more than 200 hostile soldiers and much equipment, besides freeing 3 members of an American bomber crew held prisoner there. The intrepidity and unhesitating self-sacrifice of Pfc. Stryker were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service."

    http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohviet2.htm

    "Specialist Fourth Class, U.S. Army, Company C, 1st Battalion, 26th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Loc Ninh, Republic of Vietnam, 7 November 1967. Entered service at: Throop, N.Y. Born: 9 November 1944, Auburn, N.Y. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Sp4c. Stryker, U.S. Army, distinguished himself while serving with Company C. Sp4c. Stryker was serving as a grenadier in a multicompany reconnaissance in force near Loc Ninh. As his unit moved through the dense underbrush, it was suddenly met with a hail of rocket, automatic weapons and small arms fire from enemy forces concealed in fortified bunkers and in the surrounding trees. Reacting quickly, Sp4c. Stryker fired into the enemy positions with his grenade launcher. During the devastating exchange of fire, Sp4c. Stryker detected enemy elements attempting to encircle his company and isolate it from the main body of the friendly force. Undaunted by the enemy machinegun and small-arms fire, Sp4c. Stryker repeatedly fired grenades into the trees, killing enemy snipers and enabling his comrades to sever the attempted encirclement. As the battle continued, Sp4c. Stryker observed several wounded members of his squad in the killing zone of an enemy claymore mine. With complete disregard for his safety, he threw himself upon the mine as it was detonated. He was mortally wounded as his body absorbed the blast and shielded his comrades from the explosion. His unselfish actions were responsible for saving the lives of at least 6 of his fellow soldiers. Sp4c. Stryker's great personal bravery was in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the U.S. Army."

  5. A Waste of Money by Dak+RIT · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm sorry, I know most geeks are excited about the technological side of this project and like hearing what the military is doing with technology, but I have to say this is a waste of money.

    Ask any Infantryman what he thinks of the Stryker and he will tell you, in more colorful language most likely, that he absolutely hates it. It's a poorly coneived vehicle that was originally intended to transport Infantry squads around. The units currently deployed in Iraq have a pathetic iron cage that was added to the outside of them that is supposed to act as a net to catch rocket-propelled grenades because the skin of the Styrker is too thin to protect against them (this was just added recently when the Stryker was sent to Iraq, for some reason nobody ever thought this was necessary before the guys who actually had to ride in them said fuck it). New units are planned but they will be considerably heavier and slower due to a thicker skin (which defeats the original intention of having a quick moving vehicle in the first place).

    The Army really should abandon putting more research into the Stryker and devert that funding elsewhere where it will actually be useful.

    Just a soldier's 2 cents.

  6. Laser Radar, not Laser AND Radar by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 4, Informative
    Army's newest infantry vehicles, is fitted with a "ladar" scanner, the equivalent of a mounted pair of eyes that see by emitting 400,000 laser and radar beams

    Just to correct this, "Ladar" (aka "Lidar", "Laser Radar") does not emit radar signals. It only emits laser pulses and measures the time-of-flight of the light signal (sometimes uses phase shift of laser pulses for better precision). I'm betting the reporter heard "Laser Radar" as "Laser and Radar". Or perhaps they have a separate radar unit.

    I'm also curious about the 400,000 points per second. There are some experimental flash (aka scannerless) ladars that get some pretty good rates, but not that many and AFAIK this isn't one of them. The best I can find on the web is that the Stryker Ladars can get up to 60,000 range samples per second. I'm guessing the 400,000 is actually pulses, but it can take many pulses to make a single measurement depending on the type of ladar and the range resolution.

  7. Stryker has limited firepower by dorzak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stryker is designed as an in-between vehicle between the Bradley and a tank. Most of its firepower is actually in its infantry dismounts.