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Second Hypersonic X43 Scramjet Ready for Testing

Dan writes "I am sure most of you remember how NASA was forced destroy their first hypersonic X43 seconds in it's maiden flight, which was a big setback for the american hypersonic scramjet program. Well NASA just finished one of the final tests and is preparing to launch it as early as February 21! I wish them the best."

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  1. Scramjet and space flight by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have read many times, in many magazines, that scramjet technology is integral to getting something into space without the traditional rocket engine technology. This is a nice development in that direction. I hope the funding for this stays in place. Funny how some truly exciting developments in air/space don't get much mainstream exposure such as CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    Happy Trails,

    Erick

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  2. I'm Glad by rasafras · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think scramjets are really the solution to low cost travel, including to low-earth orbit and space. I only hope that travel with scramjets will not end up going the way of the Concorde...

    ...though I bet Bush will fund it so he can land one on an aircraft carrier!! *rimshot*

  3. Excellent by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is great technology, but remember, it's not for *us*, it's for the military. Faster jets, bigger killing radius, when will this benefit freedom and peace?

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    1. Re:Excellent by ImTwoSlick · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is great technology, but remember, it's not for *us*, it's for the military. Faster jets, bigger killing radius, when will this benefit freedom and peace?

      Oh.... For a second I thought you were talking about airplanes, ships, computers, combustion engines, or encryption. You know, all those things benefiting you that were developed for the evil military.

      Don't forget. That freedom you enjoy wasn't given to you for nothing. Military people are the ones who earned it for you. That's why this new technology IS for us, freedom, and peace.

  4. Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like they were forced to destroy their server on its maiden Slashdot voyage.

  5. Scramjets won't get you to space. by AJWM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the several earlier posters who seem to think that this is the Holy Grail of Earth-to-orbit transportation -- well, maybe they're right in that it's about equally unattainable. Rockets work a hell of a lot better - as has been demonstrated by almost 47 years of orbital flight.

    Any airbreathing technology suffers a couple of fundamental flaws when it comes to suborbital, let alone orbital, transport. Most obvious, the air is mighty thin up there -- so you've got to stay where the air is thicker to support combustion. (Which basically means you can't make orbit with out at least some kind of apogee kick rocket).

    Secondly, pushing through all that air creates drag. Now, you either aggravate the problem by slowing the relative airspeed enough to support combustion -- meaning increasing the drag on that air (supersonic combustion alleviates this somewhat), or you don't slow it down (relatively, actually you're speeding the air up), have a harder time maintaining combustion, and more significantly, have a much lower momentum delta in the exhaust -- meaning less push to the vehicle.

    Scramjets have some limited use for high speed short range flight but rockets are far more efficient and the only practical way to get to orbit.

    (And while I may not be a rocket scientist, I've had long talks about just this with some very expert rocket scientists, such as Max Hunter.)

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    1. Re:Scramjets won't get you to space. by fnord123 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A very large portion of the overall mass (and price) of current space transport is just the fuel to get out of the atmosphere. A scramjet could be used as part of a reusable ground -> high atmosphere lift system, where a separable high atmoshphere -> orbit/the moon/whatever system could detach and proceed from there.

  6. maybe one day by plnrtrvlr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this will be THE means to get to a station in Earth orbit, and from there, nuclear rockets out into the farther reaches of the solar system. I'd love to see colonies on Mars as much as the next geek, but until we get it through our heads that we need to have stepping stones along the way, we aren't going to be successful. It is simply too damn expensive to develop an entirely new system for every "space objective". We need a new way into Earth orbit... and a space station whose primary objective is to be a way station where deep space nuclear propulsion systems can launch for the rest of the solar system without contaminating the environment here on earth. Maybe someday materials science will make possible the space elevator (and it may be closer than I think, but until they're spinning line, I'm not counting on it....) but until then, we need a different solution beyond out brute force approach. This could be the technology that opens up just these sorts of possibilities.

  7. Australia did it first by odeee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Been there done that.

  8. Re:I don't get how that should be possible... by Johnno74 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Basically, yes.

    The thing about getting to orbit isn't so much the vertical velocity required, its your horizontal velocity. Rockets going to orbit don't go straight up; if they did they would end up coming straight back down... The trick is getting enough horizontal velocity so that as gravity pulls you down towards the earth you are moving fowards fast enough that you are continually "falling over the edge" of the horizon.

    With a scramjet you only need half the fuel of a traditional rocket, as you burn oxygen from the atmosphere instead of carrying it all with you. Yes, a traditional rocket IS needed to get you out of the atmosphere, but using a scramjet for the initial acceleration would end up saving a lot of fuel, and hence weight.

  9. Re:Impressive technically but ... by smack_attack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man them with pundits. They we are overstocked here on terra firma anyways.

  10. Less than half by fredmosby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The liquid fueled rockets that nasa uses today use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen in the reaction:

    2 H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O

    Which means that by mass modern rockets use about 8 times as much oxygen as they use hydrogen.

  11. hypersonic is above mach5 by rebelcool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    at that speed air becomes very different due to frictional heating. the aerodynamics are also somewhat different than supersonic flight which are much different than subsonic.

    the main problems are heat though. the SR-71 flew around mach 3 and heat was its biggest enemy. also keeping the engines going at that speed was a challenge - few jet engines operate with those air speeds without self destructing.

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  12. Ah, but this one's different... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    I think i speak for most of us when i say, no, I don't remember.

    This one, IIRC, is built for use by Halliburton to deliver water to Iraq.

    It's all no-bid, hush-hush, very patriotic and stuff.

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  13. The lure of the airbreather by Latent+Heat · · Score: 5, Informative
    There is a great attraction to airbreathing propulsion. Using LH2 and LO2 as fuel and oxidizer, it takes about 85-90 percent of the vehicle mass as fuel to reach orbit on one stage, or a comparable number of stages to fake that mass ratio. This is a consequence of the rocket equation and that the exhaust velocity of a hydrogen-oxygen rocket is small compared to orbital velocity.

    So, why carry the oxygen, why not get oxygen from the air? For LH2-LO2, that eliminates most of the mass and solves the mass fraction problem right away. The 1960's Aerospaceplane project originally considered liquifying the O2 from the air -- careful tweaking can be enriched on LO2 over LN2 on account of boiling point differences. You used (boiled off) some of your LH2 to get the coolant.

    The trouble with LACE (liquid air cycle engine) is that you have to slow down the air rushing into the inlet (or speed it up to your rushing vehicle). If you are going fast enough relative to orbital velocity, slowing the O2 down in the inlet will heat it so much that you cannot burn it with H2 and get any energy -- the stagnation temperature of the shock front gets higher than your flame temperature. Hey, if this were not the case, orbital velocity would be low compared to rocket exhaust velocity and mass fraction would not be a problem.

    Ah, the scramjet, and scramjet was also considered for Aerospaceplane. It is literally the taking a drink from a fire hose. You only slow down the inlet air stream a little bit so you get some compression, and burn H2 in that hypersonic air blast and 1) hope that the flame doesn't blow out and 2) hope that you get any positive net thrust out of the works.

    If you could get any single-stage-to-orbit vehicle built that had reasonable engineering margins, you could fly it like an airplane, and even if it had a very small payload, you could fly it often enough to make a profit. NASA blew a wad in the late 80's, early 90's with National Aero Space Plane (NASP) and pulled the plug. But forget the scramjet -- if you could build a rocket out of composite materials, you could get the mass fraction. NASA blew a wad in the late 90's on the X-33 and then pulled the plug.

    Jerry Pournelle states that the Strategic Defense Office (which needed a way to loft Star Wars into orbit) could have done the job -- the DC-X demonstrated the control of vertical-takeoff vertical-landing (lands tail first on rocket flames just like in Buck Rogers -- maybe not so wasteful of fuel because reentry is mainly aerobraking and landing is to last applying the brakes on a mainly empty vehicle), and he talks about a program called Have Region (don't know the source of Air Force code names, although NASA these days seems to have projects code named Have Boner) that proved that the mass fraction target was achievable and one didn't need scramjets.

    1. Re:The lure of the airbreather by AJWM · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know how 'well' the DC-X did, considering that it burned itself up on one of its landings.

      No, it did not. Here's the real story:

      The DC-X project was initially run out of the Strategic Defense Initiative Office -- causing some turf envy at NASA. The vehicle went through a number of very successful flights (I got to see one of them) to ever higher altitudes and interesting flight profiles.

      On one launch, some vented hydrogen had collected in the launch area near the base of the rocket and detonated when the engines lit. The shock blew off part of the fuselage but the DC-X just kept on climbing -- until the flight controller (I think it was Pete Conrad on that flight) and others noticed the debris falling from the vehicle and initiated the emergency abort/autoland sequence. The engines throttled back and the DC-X set itself down unharmed (aside from the initial damage). The fuselage was repaired and the DC-X flew again.

      After SDIO's initial flight test sequence, the DC-X project was transferred to the control of NASA (remember that turf battle?). On the first NASA-controlled flight, a technician apparently left disconnected a hydraulic line to one of the landing legs (the rocket sat on a "milk-stool" support for launch). The flight went fine, the landing went okay until the engines shut off -- and then the unconnected leg folded up and the DC-X tipped over and fell. The impact cracked open the fuel tanks, the residual fuel caught fire, and the DC-X was destroyed.

      No fault of the vehicle, just a technician fuck-up -- the equivalent of an airplane's gear collapsing on landing.

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  14. Caveat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is only relevant for scramjets that use hydrogen as a fuel. If there were a scramjet which used jet fuel B, then that type of savings would be much smaller.

    However, the X-43A vehicle does indeed use hydrogen for its fuel. (Perhaps for that very reason?)

  15. Re:The engine's only the first problem... by jake-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whoever modded this as interesting knows even less about physics and aerospace technology than did the writer. The heat generated by friction at high speed is an issue that must be addressed, but while there will be drag it's not going to rip anything apart unless it's not designed properly in the first place. That's one of the things wind tunnels and computer modeling help deal with long before a model is test-flown.

    The SR-71's fusalage expanded from heat, true. The material is going to have to deal with heat, true. The NASA shuttle deals with the heat of mach 25 on re-entry, and it is not torn apart by drag unless something goes wrong, but the same happens when a commecial airliner gets seriously out of shape in-flight. Like the one that lost its rudder over Long Island Sound a couple years ago.

    The stealth bomber (B-2) is subsonic. Carbon fiber is used due to its strength-to-weight and radio-frequency transparency, not heat resistance. I would be looking at exotic metal alloys, metal composites, ceramics (which is what the space shuttle tiles are) and use of circulating fuel for cooling of critical areas. The flight profile for a long duration hypersonic craft would probably involve extended flight at altitudes where drag is less of an issue, further reducing friction heating.

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  16. Re:I don't get how that should be possible... by spike+hay · · Score: 5, Informative

    ....but who cares? Look at the newsgroup sci.space.tech to realise that the weight of the oxidizer (not fuel!) is largely irrelavent. If you put enough crap in to make a engine that can run from the air from a small amount of time (and rockets try to get out of the atmosphere as quickly as possible) then you've just spent a large part of your weight/complexity/management budget on not much.

    That's not entirely correct. The O2 is a third of the mass. Keep in mind that in addition to eliminating the weight of the 02, scramjets push such an amazing amount of air out the back that they are far more efficient than rocket engines.

    The main problem with space launches is the initial climb and acceleration, when you are pushing forward all of the craft's stages and fuel. By eliminating the 02, it translates into vastly, vastly smaller requirements.

    Better to simply make the fuel and oxidizer tanks bigger (because fuel and oxidizer is -so- much a -tiny- part of a launch cost) and stick bigger engines on it.

    Scramjets are far simpler than rocket engines. It would be much cheaper to build boosters that use a scramjet as a first stage as opposed to a rocket engine. The fuel savings, the increased payload, and the cheaper cost all make the scramjet a superior option.

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