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Introducing Linux to Joe Average

eco2geek writes "The local "alternative newspaper" is running a cover story titled 'The Rebel Alliance: An unlikely army of hacker hippies, geek visionaries, idealistic teachers and corporate giants is making Portland ground zero of a digital revolution.' I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call Portland 'ground zero' of anything, but the article does give the average reader a good introduction to what Linux is, why it's important, and some of the politics surrounding it. (The article also mentions 'the frenetic Slashdot.org.' :-)"

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  1. So many funny quotes by debilo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Check these out:

    Torvalds, now a 34-year-old tech superstar whom some see as the love child of Thomas Edison and Che Guevara,...

    "Linux wasn't started as any kind of rebellion against the 'evil Microsoft empire,'" Torvalds told The New York Times last year. "I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect."

    "In a school, it's public money. How should it be spent? Is it ethical to buy software instead of hiring an art teacher? Me, I want an art teacher--not the Microsoft help assistant dancing on every student's desktop.

    "Why spend billions," said one Amazon tech guru at the time, "when you can spend millions?"

    So funny. I'd post more quotes but I'm too lazy too read the rest of the article. :)

    1. Re:So many funny quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      News flash: the open source and priprietary software poles are not actually involved in a zero-sum game, for all the mouthpieces in the respective camps love the sound of their own voices.
      They serve different audiences, their goals sort in different orders, and they use different methods to achieve the same aim: getting the job done.
      Yes, the demagogues can be entertaining or alarming, depending on the moment. Yes, the legal and technical skirmishes can be quite entertaining. Yes, the market power of his Majesty Satanic may eventually be diminished.
      But no, the GPL worker's paradise will never be fully realized, and no, the GPL/BSD free-as-in-the-love-of-God software that continues to grow in usefullnes will not just go away, and no, you shan't be free of spam short of killing all your email boxes.
      It's, like, a market, or something, dude.
      Information Technology is a means to an end. What has occured is that too many view the means as an end unto itself, and expected to jump in and make ridiculous money for minimal effort. Guilty.
      The market forces eroding the IT economy are perfectly reasonable, and the pathetic attempts of Some Cretinous Orangutans are unsurpsing. My fear is that the chemotherapy required to purge the legal system of the cancer of monopoly will have catastropic effects on the legal system, which is brittle enough on its own.
      What a wandering rant.

  2. Target Acquired by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call Portland 'ground zero' of anything. . .

    Rain?

    KFG

  3. Simplistic but well written. by Artega+VH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure there are small things (not a GNU/Linux in sight) which will probably be the cause of much criticism here but for an INTRODUCTION to Linux, and a brief update on the who SCO joke I thought it was rather well done.

    At least it didn't leave me thinking: "What idiots wrote this garbage..."

    Kudo's to a small newspaper standing up the /. effect too... :D

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  4. Anything would be better than.... by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 5, Interesting



    Any effort to familliarize the public with Linux that doesn't involve a creepy-looking 9 year old with yellow hair has my support.

    That, and anything that doesn't involve Laverne talking about "chaos theory"..sheesh.

    What the hell would be so wrong about simply putting a few kernel/distrib contributors infront of a camera, and letting them talk for 30 seconds? "Hi, I'm Dave. I wrote the part of Linux that makes this camera work. I did it because it's fun....and because the manufacturer wouldn't." Sure, most of us are pretty damn ugly but there's gotta be a few photogenic nerds among us. With good stories, too.

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  5. Re:Farmers using Linux? by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The sad part is the national government is in bed with Microsoft.

    Wow, you need to take off the tin-foil had buddy.

    I've been working for 26 years on govt. contracts using just about every flavor of *NIX you can think of. There's no great love for Richmond any more than there is for other large companies. Now if you're talking about lobbists being in bed with govt...that's an entirely different story.

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  6. Overated ---- Rebellion ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful



    I've heard so much about the so-called "Rebellion" whenever Linux is mentioned. Sometimes I gotta admit that I dunno what they are talking about.

    I use Linux not because I rebel against anyone, it's just that I got tired of the blue-screen-of-death cum you-gimme-more-$$$-and-we-still-won't-fix-the-bug thingy so I switched.

    No rebellion, just got tired with you-know-who.

    In other words, the "Rebellion" thingy may be overated.

    Just my thoughts, anyway.

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    1. Re:Overated ---- Rebellion ? by HawkingMattress · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To me, there is a rebellion, but it's not about OSes, it's about freedom in the digital world.

      There really is a war going on between heavy capitalism, who tries to do all it can to restrict the use of everything digitally distribuable, and the people from the base, who have the skills to circumvent the rules, and organize hastily a counter attack to each offensives from the big boys.
      The point is, even Joe Sixpack, who doesn't care at all about the political or economical issues of modern technologies, is starting to understand when he sees he cannot play he's favorite mp3s in his xbox, or play the latests cds in his car stero and asks his tech savvy friends why this is.

      But that's nothing, what's important are the implications of such things in a world where everything will be digitalized.
      The technology, and the extensions we can try to forsee ten years from now can be the thing that will give the power back to the people, or the thing that will allow a control on us that even sci-fi books couldn't imagine.
      [ here fade in of terminator 1 music :)]

      And personnally, I first see Linux as a *nix system for x86, which allows me to play with UNIX on my laptop. But I also see it as a safe harbor where I can go when i'm fed up with corporate crap. Linux is people-centered, when you have a problem you just chat about it with some other users, or the developpers. Windows stinks corporatism everywhere, you know that the people on the other end want your money, not to help you, or to make things better. They'll lock you as soon as they can anyway. So in a sense to me linux is indeed a rebellion, a rebellion to fight the power of money, to circumvent the people I wish I could tell to go fsk themselves when I'm at work. If I can contribute to this little grain of sand in the wheel of capitalism, I'm all for it :)

  7. Paul thurrott blames *ix for MyDoom! by questamor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately for every good article there's another full of FUD about *ix systems. take this one

    "A new email virus called MyDoom is spreading rapidly across the Internet through UNIX mail servers, bringing with it a dangerous attachment that, when opened, can give attackers access to users' computers through an electronic backdoor."

    Amazing what they'll print these days? unix systems, one of the systems so amazingly resistant to worms like mydoom, and still we have the press implying they're to blame for the spread of windows viruses.

  8. How about "It's free. It works. Duh." by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (That would make a good slogan...)

  9. Whole article on one page by shfted! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using a little hack called page five of a four page story:

    http://www.willametteweek.com/story.php?story=4764 &page=5

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  10. Why People Don't Like Linux... by severoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've talked to several non-linux users about why they don't use it, and I'm not talking about the die-hard MS supporters. I'm talking about people that have tried it at one time or another, ran it for a while, and just gave up on it.

    Why did they give up instead of switching over to it as their primary desktop? Answers ranged over several salient (if not because they're real, at least because they're perceived) problems.

    Die-hard linux people see variety as a good thing. That's true, and it's not true. Variety always has to be put in context, especially if there's a lot of it. Here's an example that even die-hard linux people can understand (assuming you're not chefs too). Let's say I'm making salsa and I send you to the store to pick up some heat. You don't know the first thing about peppers, and it just so happens I live next to a produce mart the likes of which you've never seen before. To choose from are: jalapenos, habaneros, anaheim, chipotle, ancho, pablano, thai, serrano, scotch bonnet, etc. What are you likely to do? That's right--grab the jalapenos, cuz that's what you've heard of before, even though they're probably not the best solution. Some die-hard linux people would argue, hey, if your goal is to help your buddy out, you'll head over to your favorite bookstore and read up, and then head back to the produce mart armed with this newfound knowledge. To these people I say, you are truly a die-hard fan of linux if you didn't get this point.

    This is the pressure novices feel at every turn with linux, not just from what OS to install, but what is the install process? (Depends on the distro you've chosen.) How do I install an application? (Ibid.) Which application do I install if I want, say, an email client? (Good luck wading through all of the available options.) Why is it that everytime I head over to my buddy's house, he always knows about all this crap that I've never heard of, and he's got this smokin' setup that I wouldn't have the first clue how to begin assembling? How does one even keep up with all the choice that's available?

    All frustrations that don't happen with Windows. You only rarely head over to a buddy's and see him running Mozilla instead of IE and think, hmm, I'd like that and didn't know about it. 99% of the time, you're both running the same media player, picture editor, etc, and if you're not, there's only a small handful of well-known choices to choose from.

    The next barrier to installing/using linux on a long-term basis with these folks is what I call the annoyance/showstopper problem. Eventually, usually sooner than later, these people run into something that's either really annoying (they can't get X to run at a desired resolution, for example), or a really serious problem that impedes their ability to move forward (they can't connect to the web). They also don't really know where to look for help, or even how to find out where they should start. I myself ran into a problem years ago with RedHat, I simply wanted to upgrade the asteroids game, but the web of library dependencies that had to also be updated made it hardly worthwhile. Eventually, I rolled up my sleeves and got to work--I finally got to the end of a long dependency chain and discovered that, no matter what I did to upgrade this particular library, it wouldn't go in because it was replacing a basic graphics library that is used by virtual terminals. Because it was always in use, it couldn't be replaced, even in single-user mode. So I know this frustration well...even I was asking, how great can this OS be if a simple game can't easily be upgraded, and then it turns out when you finally commit yourself to an afternoon of hunting, it simply can't be upgraded at all? The bigger issue here for most users is, why should I have to know about library dependencies to upgrade a game, why are virtual terminals relevant to the problem I'm having, and what is a virtual terminal anyway? (The point is, whatever it is, it's totally unrelated to what I was trying to do, and most people find t

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    1. Re:Why People Don't Like Linux... by bangular · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is, many OEM's _can't_ sell Linux preinstalled on desktops without the strong hand of MS slamming down upon them. It's all or nothing. You either sell all Window's PC's or you're paying retail for for each copy. No OEM discount. and if you have a contract, we will sue you for breech of contract.

      Not saying there's a huge demand, but if they offered it, people would buy it. Espically if it were the same PC but minus the cost of windows and office bundles they many times include. This would be very significant because for cheap PC's (some as low as a couple hundred bucks), shaving the price off of software could lower the price of a 300 dollar PC by as much as 50 dollars. So for many, the option of a PC that's around 20 percent less in price but is the same hardware, it would be a no brainer. Espically if OEM's started to give Linux a little nudge and put those PC's on the forefront.

      These are all dreams though because OEM's have signed long term contracts with MS and when it's re-negotation time, it's either you run an all MS shop or you pay retail.

  11. Joe Average by NixLuver · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wonderful, amusing article

    I've been working with lots of 'Joe Average' types in the past couple of years, and there have been many abortive attempts to 'Linuxise' my offerings (to friends, family, and moonlighting clients). My wife was a ginea pig for me, switching from her blue-screen plagued windows install on a toshiba 8100 laptop to RedHat 8 + Ximian. She's never looked back. Encouraged by this success, I've brought several other family members and a couple of moonlight clients (barter system - including a veterinarian and a law firm) over to the 'free side'. Very few have experienced any real trouble.

    In short, right now, if a given person doesn't absolutely require windows-based apps (like custom applications or games, etc), Linux is ready for the desktop of Joe Average Computer User. The small business office or home user that's not a gamer can recieve significant value increase from Linux, and I have at least 22 happy customers right now.

  12. Re:The argument's wrong... by mwilliamson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Linux is a techie OS because it works, and works well, and works with minimal fuss. These attributes, as well as a constantly-improving UI will push it into the mainstream. The fact that it is a techie OS should not deter Joe User.

    While linux is a strong techie's OS, it's also reached the point of being less of a pain in the arse to install and maintain than windows. Windows is such a pain in the arse to install that, if not for the fact it's usually pre-installed or supplied as a ghost image, most end users would have considerable difficulty installing.

    It is possible to have a fully operational Fedora box in as little as 15 - 30 minutes that will keep itself updated. Everything that needs configuration can be done right from the GUI nowadays, from partitioning to building your firewall. You can make a kickstart disk to carry your efforts in package selection to other machines. You need not face an interrogation every damned time you change a major piece of hardware, or a few pieces of minor hardware.

    While the techie community is capable of using operating systems that are difficult to install (openBSD, Darwin-i386 + Xfree86), the fact a good OS is easy to install/use/maintain will not drive them away.

  13. I'm pumping Linux into the mix around here too. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recycle used computers, I have a contract with a *large* corporation to pick up their old PC's and other "goodies"..

    They wipe the drives in them, which is FINE with me, so I take them all and install Linux on them, clean them up like brand new and resell them at rock botton prices that EVERYONE can afford, with a 30 day warranty.

    I offer them only with Linux installed, take it or leave it. They are Internet appliances and they do a magnificent job of it, leaving the new owners to enjoy the computer without the headaches of using windows.

    I give them 15 minutes free instructions on using it, if they want FULL instructions then I set up an appointment and charge $20 an hour which is $15 an hour cheaper than anyone else in town charges.

    If they don't want Linux, that's tough. I don't offer any other options. They can install windows when they take it home but I won't help them if they have problems.

    Like it or not, people around here are getting introduced to Linux. They want a cheap computer, they get one but they are at least going to play with Linux a little before they wipe it out.
    But if they wipe out Linux and install anything else they void *my* 30 day warranty and they are own their own from them on..