UserLinux Will Support KDE

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Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday February 1, 2004 @04:11AM from the thank-goodness-for-that dept.

kollum writes "Bruce Perens has revealed that UserLinux will now support KDE commercially. It seems there is a demand for a KDE plan afterall."

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Re:Makes good business sense... by craXORjack · 2004-02-01 04:17 · Score: 5, Funny

And the name of the customer is... ...Trolltech!

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Choice is good... by _Pinky_ · 2004-02-01 04:20 · Score: 5, Interesting

Thats the one driving force, even above open source, that I think pulls people to GNU/Linux...

I mean people clammer about window manager themes almost as much as the window managers themselves...

Think of the solitary driving force, it's choice... Even as far to the point where if you don't like a certain aspect of a piece of software you can look at the source and change it...

So, to exclude any piece of software would, at heart, be hypocritical, given the open source method.

Just my two cents as a staunch Gnome user...
Re:Simple business decision. Why is this news ? by kfg · 2004-02-01 04:28 · Score: 5, Funny

Slow news day perhaps...

Well yeah. SCO's down.

KFG
The article has confused wording by mjrauhal · 2004-02-01 04:34 · Score: 5, Informative

This is not about UserLinux including KDE
or supporting it. This is about Perens LLC offering
support for UserLinux with KDE added on for paying
customers. Perens has always maintained
that this is an option for any support provider,
as any support provider may offer support for,
say, UserLinux with MySQL added on.

This also means that a service provider supporting UserLinux
does not have to support KDE (or MySQL for that
matter) to live up to their advertising.
Re:Perens LLC by _Pinky_ · 2004-02-01 04:34 · Score: 5, Informative
I'm just guessing all this animosity toward Bruce is done without the recollection of how much he has given back to the opensource community...
- He co-founded the Open Source Initiative with ESR..
- He was a primary author of the Debian Social Contract..
- He helped introduce Linux into the main stream corporate world by being a Linux proponent at HP.
- He stood his ground, touting Linux over Microsoft, with disregard toward his employment with HP...
- He routinely has showed up any SCO claims...
- He often posts here on slashdot!
- And, my favorite, he authored ElectricFence, which many of us have used...
And there are probably many, MANY other contributions he has given which I have overlooked..

So please, do give some consideration toward what he has done for all of the Linux community...
Re:Perens LLC, not UserLinux by manyoso · 2004-02-01 04:55 · Score: 5, Interesting

... which completely breaks Bruce's latest rationale for excluding KDE in the first place:

"it's just too hard to support both..."

also throws some cold water on the other ridiculous rationales he uses from time to time, depending upon if the mood suits him:

"Qt can't support a coveted cottage industry of proprietary developers..."

yah, well, except for the current 'cottage industry' that overwhelmingly has chosen Qt for commercial development...

so Bruce's is left with one rationale for his decision to exclude KDE from the default of UL:

"I've already made the choice ... inertia"
To many toolkits! by BillyBlaze · 2004-02-01 05:07 · Score: 5, Interesting

UserLinux is showing us that it's not yet possible to make a Linux distro with fewer than two GUI toolkits. Actually more, when you figure in FLTK, Motif, XAW, XUL, FOX and so on. This wastes disk space, memory, and developer time, and the end result is an inconsistent GUI with no single place to change the look-n-feel.
I think what Linux on the Desktop needs is something just like X, but with server-side widget-drawing and window management code. The client-server design is what makes X great, and should be kept. But with a default widget set, there'd be one place to change fonts, window decorations, colors, etc. And there'd be less repetition.
It wouldn't be inflexible. A good X replacemnt would have an X-server client so that X programs could run as part of it. So it would still be easy to use your own toolkit if you really wanted to. And the server would have a plugin system to allow a wide range of widget and window styles.
At the moment, I run KDE. I suppose X's architecture is better than Windows's putting everything in kernel-space, but it still pains me. I can't wait until I can easily run something like PicoGUI or Fresco on my desktop.
Re:Nothing new here by TrentC · 2004-02-01 05:35 · Score: 5, Informative

You seem to be confusing "Bruce Perens notes that he has a customer who wants a UserLinux system with KDE, which he will provide" with "UserLinux will offer both GNOME by default and KDE as an option".

This is not a change for the UserLinux project. GNOME is still the only officially supported desktop environment for the project, and Perens has said all along that providers using UserLinux can customize the distro however their customers want.

Jay (=
Re:QT license issues by tackat · 2004-02-01 06:53 · Score: 5, Informative

> As a software developer, you are better
> with Gnome or Microsoft than with QT.

This would be correct if the cost of the Qt license would actually matter compared to the benefits you get by actually using Qt.

In reality the licensing costs for Qt are being weight out by the advantages that you get when using Qt and amortize within less than a month.

Just guess why companies like Adobe, Ati, Boeing, BP, Daimler Chrysler, Disney, Fujitsu, General Electric, Hitachi, Honda, HP, IBM, Intel, Motorola, NASA, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, Shell, Siemens, Sony, Toshiba, Toyota are actually using Qt already for their products.

> But if you want to see Adobe Photoshop on Linux, ... you are wrong concerning this as well.
Adobe already _does_ use Qt for their Adobe PhotoAlbum and there are rumors that they will use it for their other software as well.

Tackat