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A Review of Nanotech's Future

captainsaavik writes "A Washington Post article today reviews nanotechnology - 'Nanotechnology, the hot young science of making invisibly tiny machines and materials, is stirring public anxiety and nascent opposition inspired by best-selling thrillers that have demonized the science -- and new studies suggesting that not everything in those novels is fantasy.'"

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  1. Unstoppable by IanBevan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We will research, improve, innovate and ultimately implement nanotech solutions for one simple reason: we can. It's been the same right throughout human history.

    The views of the objectors, no matter how well founded and how well intentioned, will not lead to r&d into nanotech (or any other new technology, including human cloning) being stopped. At best it might be delayed, but even then the money to be made by Big Business makes this unlikely IMO.

    Can anybody think of any kind of new technology that has been abandoned, or even significantly delayed, through alleged (or real) risks ? I suspect new technologies are only abandoned because they are not feasible either technically or commercially (cost too much, too late to market etc) rather than for some ethical or environment consideration.

    1. Re:Unstoppable by RetroGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      new technology that has been abandoned, or even significantly delayed, through alleged (or real) risks

      Nuclear energy.

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    2. Re:Unstoppable by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If it counts for anything, most of my area is powered by a nuclear plant... It hasn't really been abandoned, judging by the electric bill I'm continually served with.

    3. Re:Unstoppable by jabberjaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can anybody think of any kind of new technology that has been abandoned, or even significantly delayed, through alleged (or real) risks ?
      GM crops outside of the United States.

    4. Re:Unstoppable by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention DDT which could stop millions of deaths due to malaria.
      Which was killed by enviromental groups to increase their political power despite being no danger to anything but insects.


      So you watch nightline, or 20/20, or whatever show that "give me a break" shill is on.

      DDT accumulates in the food chain. The beluga population is severly affected by DDT poisoning to this day even though it has been banned for a very long time.

      I watched that part of the programm because I wanted to hear why he claimed that aspartame was totally safe. He didn't, he just talked about DDT after having named aspartame as one of the products that are "falsely" considered harmfull.
      I am very sensitive to aspartame, if I absentmindedly accept a sugarless mint or gum from someone, I'll suffer a severe migraine wich renders me totally incapable of doing anything for hours. Safe my ass...

      Give ME a break.

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    5. Re:Unstoppable by NixLuver · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I know that here in the midwest, the red-tailed hawk has recovered in population - you never saw them at all when I was a child.

      I've also seen the nests with crushed eggs that collapsed under the weight of the mother 'way back in the gradeschool days, from people who weren't aware of any political agenda behind DDT.

      I'm not one to reject out of hand the concept of the government putting political and corporate concerns above and ahead of the health of their citizens. Perhaps you can tell me, then, if it wasn't the DDT used extensively here in the country's breadbasket, what, exactly, was it that caused the fragility of the Raptor's eggs back then, and where did it go?

    6. Re:Unstoppable by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Informative

      God, I can't wait for that crazy motherfucker to go away.

      Most of what he says there is reasonably accurate, but he also does a good job of leaving out most of the actual problems DDT has. He does a nicely comprehensive job documenting the predictably hysterical behavior of pop-scientists and the inefficacy of committees in doing anything useful, but jumping from there to advocating unbanning DDT is kinda insane.

      DDT is poison. This is the whole point. It's also fat-soluable. One of the many things that Junky doesn't talk about is DDT's effect of bats. Bats were hit pretty damn hard by DDT, because bats migrate, and when bats migrate, they first load up on fat, which is full of DDT, so when they start burning their fat in migration season, the DDT level in their blood suddenly goes through the roof and they all die and end up all over your back yard.

      Same thing happens to people. Like most fat-soluable chemicals, DDT is cumulative. In an environment saturated with DDT, like the US in 1970, you take in more than you pass. The .0026mg/kg body weight Junky mentions as a safe dose just means that it takes about 5 years of eating fish, vegetables, etc. for you to build up enough DDT in your fat to give you the effects of a good stroke. The trick to avoiding that is to never lose weight.

      Based on just the numbers Junky has, you take a 250lb farmer who's been ingesting 17, 18mg/day of DDT on the farm, have him work hard for 25 years, have a heart attack when he hits 50, decide to try and come down to 180, succeed, and then suddenly he drops dead because he's been flooding his system with backed-up DDT at 400mg/day as he burns off the fat.

      Regardless, the millions of lives are being saved anyway. We push DDT all over the 3rd world, it's not like Ghana's banned the stuff. The sad thing is we give them the same old shit that mosquitos have been selected to avoid and tolerate since facism was still cool instead of the vastly more effective, safer, and more stable products we've come up with in the intervening 1-1/4 centuries.

    7. Re:Unstoppable by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh yes, every time someone invents a motor that violates the laws of thermodynamics, it's Big Oil that steps in to silence them!

      I have yet to find a single credible source explaining how the "Water engine" is supposed to operate. Perhaps you can point me to one?

      It's always put up or shut up. Talk all you want but proof is proof. So far every nutball that claimed to build an engine that runs on water or an overunity device or inertial propulsion system has denied anyone credible from examining their invention.

      Big Oil my ass. Maybe it just doesn't actually work? What could you possibly do to the water to get out more energy than you put in, or use the energy more efficiently by manipulating water than using it directly? Got any credible sources? If you do please share, I'm willing to accept the concepts if they are properly represented with lucid facts and backed by real data.
      =Smidge=

  2. still a dream by wmeyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nanotechnology may yet become the AI of the 21st century. As the nightmare stories about the risks of runaway tech will undoubtedly appeal to the enviro folk out there, I anticipate heavy resistance to widespread adoption of the results.

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  3. The ultimate vaporware... by mobiux · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can just see it now,
    Some salesguy holding up an empty glass.
    "No, No, they are really in there, you just can't see them."

    1. Re:The ultimate vaporware... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nanotech if it takes off like predicted will basically change society like electricty did.

      Want a new car?

      Dump some scrap metal in the factory, load up the car image you torrented off the internet last night, and in a few hours you have your new ferrai.

      We might start getting beer that is free as in software. :)

    2. Re:The ultimate vaporware... by Saeger · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Very funny, but what you call vaporware actually has a real name: "Utility Fog"

      Imagine it as a huge mesh of strong, flexible, microscopic interlocking nodes with a distributed brain. Its density is so low that you couldn't see it in a volume as small as a glass, but like a cloud it becomes more opaque with thickness. Sort of like that aerogel stuff, but more XTREME(!).

      The applications of utility fog are boundless, but one I'm sure parents would love is the "security blanket" for their kids - the fog would act as smart 24/7 airbag extending for several feet around the body so little Timmy never gets bruised falling down the stairs...

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  5. Why Prey by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With so much good fiction out there why did they have to take a book that got the science unbelieveably wrong. If they wanted something closer to the mark they could have at least taken Diamond Age. Some of the predictions in that book have allready come to pass.

  6. Diamond Age, I pray for thee by Azghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... and I'm a friggin atheist. :)

    Man, I can't wait. Of course, the greatest innovations of the coming Diamond Age haven't even been imagined yet, if history is any guide.......

    (just wish they'd hurry up)

  7. New Slashdot Icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, make one for nanotech already. It only has to be one pixel!!

  8. Backlash. by jabberjaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone recall the hostility encountered with GM crops in Europe and Africa? I do believe that corporations are going to have to take a good long hard look at how they are going to handle the public with regards to nanotech.

  9. Nanotech by ikkonoishi · · Score: 5, Informative

    This site has a lot of good information on nanotechnology.

    Among other things they address the 'grey goo' or uncontrolled replicator issue.

    Basically it would require a deliberate effort to create such a thing.

    The spread, while exponential, would be slow due to a nanite's size.

    1. Re:Nanotech by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And thank God we live in a world where humans don't purposly try to kill millions of their own kind.

      Oh, wait....

  10. Nanotech Spam by erick99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great..soon I will get spam touting how little nanotech machines can provide a better and longer lasting erection? Hey, it could happen. Happy Trails, Erick

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  11. Health risks? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Can anybody think of any kind of new technology that has been abandoned, or even significantly delayed, through alleged (or real) risks?

    I think one of the more realistic fears is not the new toys of spying and things that might creep into our personal freedoms, but rather environmental issues. And here, I don't mean the nasty chemicals needed to produce these things, but rather nanotube detritus finding it's way into our ecosystem and food sources. Certainly there is now and there has always been nano dirt in our air and finding it's way into our bodies, but these new engineered shapes may have unforeseen health issues, much like asbestos in the last 30 years.

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  12. Nuclear power was only delayed in the US. by Behrooz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Close to 100% of France's electrical power is nuclear, and they export power to much of western Europe.

    Japan is big on nukes, also.

    Actually, just about every industrialized country other than the USA sees the risks as much less of a barrier to development than they are here... blame the idiot wing of the environmental lobby and the pathetic PR efforts of utilities here for shutting down nuclear in the US, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths from coal-fired power plant emissions over the last several decades.

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    1. Re:Nuclear power was only delayed in the US. by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

      Japan is big on nukes, also.

      Well, how else are you gonna get giant radioactive dinosaures?

      I mean, when all their robots are up and running, they're gonna need something to fight...

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  13. Grey goo fake/medical risks real by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the things that I appreciated about this article was how it only spent a small bit on the grey goo hypothesis. The folks who propose any kind of a goo should step back from the science fiction, and read some biochemestry and microbial ecology. Energy is probably the primary limited resource for replication and there just is not that much out there available to nano-scale machines or organisms.

    The medical concerns should be taken seriously however. The Center for Biological and Environmental Nanotechnology has a nice page that promises to be a clearinghouse for information on these issues.

  14. Bad news is still news... by thrill12 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    so this publicity is probably a good thing, even though they never tell the truth.
    I can still remember the days when these books hit the shelves:
    "Evil steam-monster", around 1803, told a horrifying tale about a big steel monster that spewed steam, ran over everyone and made everyone cough very heavily.
    "Lightning horror!", around 1877, very good thriller about artificially created light that made zombies of everyone so they couldn't stop working for the whole 24 hours.
    "Tube of death", around 1926, which was mostly about a tube that transmitted moving light-beams and brainwashed everyone with stories about fictious people through their everyday lifes.

    See, nothing to worry about...

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  15. Gov't Downplaying Nanotech like Nuclear by Saeger · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Some of the best evidence for the feasibility of advanced nanotech is that the government has recently started up a disinformation campaign as a smokescreen to accelerate their own research. They did the same thing back in the 40's when developing nuclear weapons: publicly poopooing it on the one hand to discourage others, while actively developing it on the other.

    A salient quote from a nanodot.org article on this subject:

    After the seminar, I happen to bump into Drexler and have a rare opportunity to speak with him alone. I bring up the possibility that there could be a secret military project to develop nanoassemblers, and the current government position in the nanotech debate is a disinformation program.

    Following the briefest of pauses, Drexler looks me in the eye and replies in the same high, clear voice I'd heard him use during the panel discussion, "Those things are hard to know about." He still has his game face on.

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  16. No danger? by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not even going to try to refute anything on junkscience.com. The guy just picks whatever studies seem to back up his agenda, and. Like when he claimed that abestos insulation would have prevented the fall of the WTC towers. And when somebody points out the flaws in his claims (abestos is not that superior to other kinds of insulation), he just insists that he never said what you think he said. That makes any link to his site a non-argument. And plenty of reputable scientists do consider DDT a health hazard. Hey, by the time it was banned, it was reaching toxic levels in human milk.

  17. ideas for nanotechnology by z00ky · · Score: 5, Funny

    a replacement for viagra,
    a replacement for sex toys
    a breath-a-lyzer in your thumb! just suck your thumb and you'll find out how drunk you are!
    Slashdot Pager, your thumb vibrates when there's a new slashdot post so you can race to be the first person to post on that article
    a replacement for SCO
    and last but not least, my personal favorite...
    replacement for microsoft

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  18. Risk Awareness by Wardish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After having read the article, Yep I RTFA.

    Good article overall. Points out that the extent of nanotechnology is likely to be less than some hope and fear.

    The gray goo ideal is hampered by design, energy and speed/movement constraints which means that it's only going to be a problem if we haven't the technology to combat isolated outbreaks.

    We can't put the genie back in the bottle, someone is going to study this technology and use it for unfriendly ends. The only question is will we have the knowledge and skills necessary to counter that.

    I believe that restrictive regulation would make it more likely that we wouldn't have the resources to fight such threats. I also believe that there is a limited period of vulnerability until all citizens have defenses as part of their normal biotechnological compliment. The less restriction on research in the bio/nano technology arena the faster I believe we can get through this threatening period.

    As an aside on "Prey", I've noticed over the years that Mr. Crichton has made it a point to use his status and writing talents against Bio and Nano technologies. I understand that he has every right to do so, but I also believe I've a right to point out such.

    *chuckle* it's going to be a VERY interesting couple of decades...

    *now* back to my regularly scheduled Thorazine dose...

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