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Linux Going Mainstream

Gossi writes "The BBC is carrying an excellent overview of the growing use of Linux, by many different fields. The article says it all, really, and is probably something you should show your Boss."

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  1. Linux going mainstream? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh no... I've got to start hating it now. Once common people like something, I can't like it, or I'll lose my elitist status. Hrm, what's a good obscure OS? BeOS isn't around anymore... maybe OpenBSD?

    1. Re:Linux going mainstream? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, we shall all start using the HURD now.

      Join us.

    2. Re:Linux going mainstream? by koali · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean... "Join me".

  2. "Show your boss"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If my boss was so dumb that he didn't know Linux is the only choice for everything - well, he wouldn't be my boss, he would be the janitor.

    1. Re:"Show your boss"? by glpierce · · Score: 5, Funny

      "he wouldn't be my boss, he would be the janitor."

      Unless you're the assistant janitor, in which case he's both...

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    2. Re:"Show your boss"? by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Informative

      LaTeX was fine - I was a little disappointed that after decades of popularity there was still not even the simplest wysiwyg apps for it.

      Yeah - it's amazing that nobody has thought of writing one.

    3. Re:"Show your boss"? by Yorrike · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of your problems take just a tiny little bit of effort to overcome.

      Excel beats the ever-loving crap out of Kspread.

      Have you tried Open Office?

      None of the software works well together - Mozilla and Konq have no idea what software to launch when you download a file.

      Yeah. If you're that fussed, tell Mozilla what to use by setting the mime type actions under preferences.

      And why do I need to be root to burn a disk? Or to install the simplest apps?

      That's called security. And if you really want, you can give your user the rights to do those things.

      Rather than sitting around going "bitch, bitch, bitch, Linux doesn't work like Windows", why don't you take your questions to google and get the solutions.

      If even that is too much effort for you, stay with Windows. Enjoy MyDoom.

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  3. Games.... by fitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until Linux is a complete entertainment package as well as a utility package, Linux will be hard pressed to take over the desktop.

    With the way games are written these days (requiring massive amounts of time and money), game development will have to undergo some pretty radical changes before it will fit successfully into the OSS model and we continue to have the quality of games we have today.

    Of course, the other path is that the PC is removed from the entertainment picture and consoles take over that role completely (woe be that day).

    1. Re: Games.... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful


      > Until Linux is a complete entertainment package

      Sounds like all the more reason for corporations to adopt it.

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    2. Re:Games.... by wan-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Already games have appeared for linux such as ut2k3 and Neverwinter Nights. More and more people see Linux as a viable platform for games (e.g. Doom 3). Games on linux do not have to be OSS nor be based on the OSS model. Just because most linux apps have OSS roots doesn't mean everything on the system itself has to be. There aren't going to be OSS movies any time soon, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to play DVDs on their linux boxes (DeCSS being a whole different topic of course).

  4. Do your part! by chrispl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I carry a variety of flavors of Linux CDs in my car and use live version to show friends and family what they are missing. Suse 9.0 live-eval works great for showing people what this "linux thing" they have read about is.

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  5. Makes up for their recent writeup on SCO by Heggsy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This ons still makes me slightly cross:

    Earlier BBC story

    Still, I suppose that the latest story is written by someone who has Clue. I'm told that they exist, even at the BBC.

  6. not so suprising by LadyMayhem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm 15 and have been using linux for a little over a year...people in the k-12 school system are starting to get a grasp on the bennifits of open source. It really is the best option for so many people and with the newest distros of Mandrake (what i use) make it incrediabily simple to do most anything graphically. With a little bit of help even people like my grandmother (who could never even minimize windows) can do as much on linux as any other OS out there.
    In my openion the main problem is people, in general, don't even knwo open source exists. And those that do only vaguely recall that they've hear about it somewhere. Hopefully its only a matter of time before people (especially in the US) catch on.

  7. Re:Government, yup by The+Slashdotted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's interesting to note the similarities between the desires of governments and small businesses. Right now, as a Linux newb, I've set up SmoothWall and Red Hat on old computers in a back room. The owner's only demands are that it be near free (as in beer), and it be customizable. With CUPS and OpenOffice out of the box, I can type basic memos. I can hardly wait for OSSuite to come out with the next release (I need product attributes), and he'll be ready for the future on some Pentium 2s

  8. Didn't quite get all the facts straight by Interruach · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Linux is unique in that its code is open source, meaning anyone can look it and modify it, as long as they agree to share their changes with everyone else.
    There are other GPL'd operating systems, and the BSDs are all open source, aren't they?

    Large companies have been benefiting from Linux for years now. They use it to run large servers and networks.
    Small companies have arguably been benefitting more: I know from my experience that it's easier getting Linux into a small company than it is into a large one.

    "This is something that a lot of people in developing countries have. It is a natural for them to make do with little, and to produce something of value out of nothing."
    This is just patronising.
    How about pointing out that people whoever they are all benefit and can run the same software without the discrimination that high prices cause.

    Some worry, though, that large corporations may be reluctant to share their Linux-based software with others. And that, say long-time Linux programmers, would violate the tenets of the open source philosophy.
    More importantly, it would also be copyright infringement if they ever distributed it, and would cause them no end of trouble keeping their version of the code up to date.

    But other than that, refreshing to read an article about linux that doesn't mention either Redmond or Utah.

  9. the IBM ads by feidaykin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article says it all, really, and is probably something you should show your Boss.

    I think that if your boss does not already understand the ways of Linux, perhaps reading an article on a Web page won't be enough to convince him.

    Get a hold of one of the new IBM ads and play it for him. Seeing a major, big name company back Linux with a TV spot would carry a lot more weight than someone's opinion on a Web page, no matter how eloquent that opinion is presented. But then, I'm not even employed right now, so I shouldn't be giving advice on what to show your boss. ;)

    Still, it's hard for anyone to ignore the opinion of IBM. Or rather, it's a lot easier to ignore the opinion of an author at the BBC.

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  10. Re:Government, yup by SpookyFish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure, old news, but the truly amazing, out of this world, "oh my god" thing about this -- The government actually WANTS to be thrifty with OUR tax money??!

    Oh, wait, no, they just want to spend that money on more beaurocrats and $1000 screwdrivers.

    Ah, well.

  11. I tried... by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I showed a six inch stack of papers explaining the virtues of open source and Linux to my boss and our lead developer. I held a meeting with my entire team when they started thinking of switching to .Net. I brought together all the facts management should hear when making a platform choice and made a professional presentation. I rewrote one of our smaller apps on Linux in my personal time as an example.

    They wouldn't even look at it. Our lead developer thinks Microsoft is the best producer of software and that .Net is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Our boss agreed and we were forced to switch to .Net without even looking at an alternative. Rarely have I seen such blatent ignorance. So I keep an eye open for other jobs and read the articles on starting your own software company. Seems the only option when dealing with such ignorance is to stay away from it.

  12. Re:If you read about it in 1998 by Winkhorst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless things have changed radically since I actually used Linux on my desktop, the problem has been and continues to be peripheral manufacturers who refuse to write drivers for their equipment, so that it becomes necessary for some open source programmer to do so. And this isn't necessarily about to change. These manufacturers see their drivers as proprietary property. This is why the predictions have so far failed to bear fruit.

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  13. Re:games is right by NixLuver · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Aside from the massive cost of desktop conversions, network migration, and the hugely massive time and expense of user retraining?"

    Desktop Conversions: I'm not sure about anyone else, but my company ( a multinational telecommunications company ) rolls out new desktops of MicroSloth crap at least twice a year, and spends the intervening six months trying to make the stuff they just did work - the same crowd that says "You can't have XP because it will bring down the network."

    Network Migration: What the hell, guy, are you still running NetBEUI or something? Linux has done SMB (through Samba) for-freaking-ever (in computer years, anyway). Outside of that, even MicroSloth doesn't really attempt to take on Linuxs' networking pedigree.

    User Retraining: I would hope that your computer users are somewhat more savvy than, say, my grandfather - who converted to Linux eight months ago; or my wife, who converted over a year ago; or my Aunt Jill, who converted seven months ago and uses her home PC for work tasks. All in all I've had far fewer 'help me' calls from them since upgrading them. The hardest 'retraining task' was getting them to understand network logins and remember their passwords.

    Consultants: LOL... Consultants won't recommend Linux conversion, on the whole, not yet. Mostly because their purpose is not to solve a company's technical problems, but to bill hours (and yes, I've been a consultant and I have been told that I 'solved a problem too rapidly').

    When you combine all of these costs, double them, and then subtract the cost of troubleshooting and fixing SoBig, MyDoom, and the other litany of M$-based crapola, and, as the previous poster mentioned, the recovered gaming time (since you can't play a lot of the popular games on Linux) and reduced support hours, I think Linux becomes a clear win.