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Learning (And Harvesting) from Extremophiles

kudyadi writes "BBC News has an article on the threat posed to extremophiles by anxious prospectors ready to exploit their unique nature. Potential discoveries include glycoprotein, which prevents Antarctic fish from freezing, and an extract from green algae for use in cosmetic skin treatment, and anti-tumour properties in a strain of yeast. This article explains the issue more lucidly, but in the end, one must consider the environmental ramifications of this biological exploitation before moving ahead full scale. So how is Tux in danger? Let me remind you of a thing called the food chain and then read this."

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  1. Oh. by proj_2501 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had to read the article before figuring out that extremophiles were not folks who enjoy things like base jumping on Mars, "water"skiing on the freeway, real-life Crazy Taxi, nude Antarctic beaches, etc. etc.

  2. It's not like its strip mining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is some great white hunter scientist with a cotton swab and a sequencer really going to be a threat to Antarctica?

    1. Re:It's not like its strip mining by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haven't you ever had a throat culture taken?

      Man, them cotton swabs is deadly weapons, I'm tellin' ya.

      KFG

  3. Extremophiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that one of those Audiophiles that buys all the best equipment and scoffs at CD audio in favor of DVD audio?

  4. Brilliant. by musingmelpomene · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's just stop ALL science until we're absolutely sure of every ramification of every single thing we do. It's a good thing these people weren't in charge in cavemen times; the first man to create fire would have been stoned to death for creating smoke, and the first one to create the wheel would have been burned at the stake for making something that could roll over grass.

    1. Re:Brilliant. by yotto · · Score: 5, Funny

      the first man to create fire would have been stoned to death for creating smoke, and the first one to create the wheel would have been burned at the stake for making something that could roll over grass.

      Well, at least the cavemen in the parallel universe finally accepted fire...

    2. Re:Brilliant. by localman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it's a great thing that we have these extremists worrying about the ramifications of every single thing we do. It nicely balances out the other extremists who are prone to plunge ahead without considering the ramifications at all. If either side was given free reign we'd be in big trouble fast. Thankfully they seem to balance out over time.

      It's the same in many fields. Politics comes to mind. If you find yourself not able to stand the folks on the other end of the spectrum, keep in mind that you have just placed yourself in another extreme group and be thankful for the balance.

      It is balance that keeps us moving forward surely but safely.

      More or less :)

      Cheers.

    3. Re:Brilliant. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But the use of the science often is stopped by the aforementioned chickens. Nuclear power for example. You can tell an activist that coal puts more radioactive materials into the atmosphere every year than all the nuclear accidents ever, and they'll just come back and tell you that coal is bad too and we should all put up solar panels, twine flowers in our hair, join hands, and dance around the maypole. Well, dance around my maypole, you bastards, because in the meantime the coal plants are running day and night and pumping out all kinds of wonderful toxic crap which will haunt us for generations to come.

      Granted, the hyperactive ecowankers need to exist, they just need to not have quite so much power. The problem is that the court of public opinion weighs emotions and not facts. We tend to agree with people and not points, and the winner is whoever comes off as being more charismatic. It's easy to paint those who develop or utilize scientific advancement for profit as greedy, selfish bastards, because they stand to gain something. Every lie is more powerful when it contains some truth.

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    4. Re:Brilliant. by the+gnat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two points:

      - The same complaint can be made about the resistance to GMOs. Many of the bioengineered crops being developed today have the potential to save millions of lives, but there are some environmentalists who would literally rather see the Third World starve than see it utilize genetically engineered corn. (Actually, they'd probably rather see our tax rates go up to 50% so we can feed the Third World - which simply prolongs the problem rather than fixing it.)

      (Side point 1: some of the reading I've done indicates that there's also some anti-Americanism involved, since many of the GMOs come from the USA and are seen as a threat to European farmers. The US's ridiculous agricultural policies don't help. Side point 2: yes, there's some IP issues involved with biotech crops, but this is less of an obstacle to deployment.)

      - Many of the environmentalists do not actually believe in a modern industrial society. This is true of many animal-rights or anti-globalization activists as well. Many of the people protesting globalization have started to advocate a return to subsistence farming, because that's all that the Third World will be left with if we stick to ultra-protectionist policies. Without our modern agricultural system, sophisticated medicine, and advanced economy, however, they'd all be so sick from random (curable) diseases and weak from malnutrition that they wouldn't have time to protest fashionable causes and trash Starbucks franchises.

      I don't call myself an environmentalist, because it now comes with so many negative connotations, but working in the natural sciences and growing up in the western USA has given me good reason to support environmentally friendly policies. I would call myself a "conservationist", because I have no problem with sensible and sustainable exploitation of resources, but I don't want to see them plundered due to lack of regulations or desperation. I'd love to see us coexist perfectly with large amounts of undiluted Nature, and the only way that'll happen is with more technology, not less.

  5. There is a bad joke here someplace... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny
    Extremophiles are micro-organisms that grow optimally in some of earth's most hostile environments of temperature

    ...and tend to congregate at Slashdot...

    Sorry, had to be said...

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    1. Re:There is a bad joke here someplace... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bunch of posers. Real extremophiles inhabit the alt groups of usenet.

      Stupid git.

      KFG

  6. Invitrogen by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Invitrogen patented the harvesting of the polymerase enzyme from the extremophile bacteria thermophiles aquarticus. It's a shame that one company can overcharge researchers by patenting something nature created!

    1. Re:Invitrogen by Azghoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The company comes up with one way to GET the "polymerase enzyme". Why should they be forced to just give away their methods?

      That's a fair patent, if you ask me. Sure nature might have created the stuff, but getting at it is another question altogether!

    2. Re:Invitrogen by Lehk228 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      did they patent a METHOD for harvesting polymerase enzyme or just the harvesting, if they patented a method then good for them, the invent something and should make money off it, if they patened all forms of extraction then they can burn in hell

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  7. You can't have it both ways.... by RocketScientist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the biggest arguments of the folks who promote biodiversity is that we may find organisms that produce pharmaceuticals that we can use to do important things. That way biodiversity seems more commercially appealing (I'm not saying it is or isn't true, I'm just restating the argument.)

    So now we've got folks complaining because we're trying to exploit some of the organisms to produce pharmaceuticals. The priniciples of biodiversity are playing out as the advocates expected, and now a faction of those advocates are crying foul because somebody's actually exploiting the organisms for commercial gain.

    If you're going to use the biodiversity for exploitation argument, you can't complain when someone actually starts exploiting.

    1. Re:You can't have it both ways.... by DdJ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you're going to use the biodiversity for exploitation argument, you can't complain when someone actually starts exploiting.
      Yes, we can. It all depends on how people exploit.

      If the exploitation is done by taking a small sample of the organism and then figuring out what compounds it produces that are so useful, and why they're so useful, and then reproducing those compounds and/or effects via an industrial process, that's a fine thing.

      Even if the exploitation is done by taking a gene sequence from a creature, throwing it on a plasmid, shoving that into a friendly bacterial culture, and growing the shit in a vat, that's a pretty decent thing.

      But if the exploitation is done by harvesting enough of the organism to pose a threat to its continued existence in the wild, then that's something that needs to be stopped (or we may have no more Truffula Trees, for example).
  8. why not open source science? by ir0b0t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the sort of story that illustrates the risk inherent in a proprietary approach to knowledge. The first duty of a proprietary interest is to secure a financial return on investment. There's a built-in incentive to discount other competing interests, like stifling innovative software or, as in this case, damaging the environment.

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  9. Not much bias there, eh? by Aumaden · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This seems like typical overreaction. The concern expressed in the article is that there are no regulations on bio-prospecting. Heck, they even admit, "We're not saying there's much danger of environmental damage."

    And "bio-prospecting" is such a loaded term. "Prospector" evokes images of an old, grizzled prospector wearing filthy clothes, leading an overburdened pack mule and "lookin' fer gold in them thar hills." We don't label physicists "particle-prospectors", after all.

  10. I support the use of extremophiles. by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's the reason that I personally jam over 15 pounds of antartic fish into my radiator every winter. And while the smell can be a bit noisome (especially when the heater is on), it's obviously environmentally friendly and much cheaper than anti-freeze (except for the cost of shipping all those fish, which, now that I think about it, is really expensive).

    I've changed my mind.

  11. For those who have no idea whats this about. by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Extremophiles are organisms that live at the edge of the range of environments life can exist in. Essentially very hot (at boiling water temperatures), to extreme cold temperature (cell contents should be freezing but they don't), to high acidity, alkalinity, or high salt. concentrations.

    They are a literal gold mine for biotech companies. Heat extremophiles are a great source of heat stable enzymes that work in almost boiling water. This makes them good for many industrial processes and also makes them easy to make and purify in a none extremophile organism (you grow it up in the bacteria, smash open the cells and cook the contents till the only thing left active is the heat stable protein).

    Cold tolerant organisms have great antifreeze techniques, as well as a source of enzymes that are able to work efficiently at cold temperatures. Handy for many industrial processes and even as additives in such mundane things as laundry detergent that is designed for use in cold water. The anitfreeze may have applications in crygenic applications (more pratically for freezing tissue samples and organs rather than a whole human).

    The problem with cold extremophiles is the biggest source exist in Antartica, and people are sensitive about what happens in that region of the world. The point I should make is that this research will only require sampling and identification and growth in the lab of these organisms, and is really a pratical outgrowth of the scientific research already carried out in Antartica. These organisms are not going to be "harvested" in Antartica for any commercial purpose, and I can't see further research in this area creating anymore disturbance to the ecosystem than the research already carried out in Antartica since the first explorers. If anything this increases the need to preserve the ecosystem, along the same lines as the saving rainforest for the potential undiscovered medicinal plants.

  12. On the horizon... by MarsCtrl · · Score: 5, Funny
    Potential discoveries include glycoprotein, which prevents Antarctic fish from freezing
    Scientists expect this reasearch to lead to exciting new research in the field of pre-thawed frozen fish sticks.
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    I was going to put a sig here, but I had already submitted the message.
  13. Alternatives to Exploiting Evolution's Accidents by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do we really need these extremophiles? Only if we have no other means of obtaining novel biological and pharmcological materials.

    Biological and medical science has come a long way from the "lets eat this herb and see if it does anything" mode of experimentation. Genomics, proteomics, combinatorial chemistry, and high throughput screening are all means for engineering new chemicals rather than waiting to discover some organism that happens to produce some useful compound. Advances in simulation, protein folding, in silico pharmacodynamics & pharmacokinetics mean that scientists and engineers can design new chemical species that do what we need them to do.

    My point is that although these extremophiles do offer an interesting source of innovation, they are not the only means for finding cures for cancer or novel materials. Although we may have much to learn from nature, we approach the day when no longer need this haphazard ancient dataset.

    Soon we will design drugs, rather than find drugs.

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  14. Not accurate by CXI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, what? Food chain, environmental ramifications???

    If the submitter had RTFA, he would have read the quote from the co-author:

    "We're not saying there's much danger of environmental damage, but it does pose a challenge."

    The challenge is simply one of patents and scientific sharing, not the extremist (ironic no?) view described above.

  15. Glycoprotien is more than one. by io333 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You wrote it as though "glycoprotein" is a recent discovery. Actually a glycoprotein is a class of substances, to wit:

    A sugar (usually a ketose or aldose) attached to a protein. There are *many*. They've been known about for ages. Perhaps you mean that they've discovered an *interesting* glycoprotein?

  16. not invitrogen, not the harvesting by Apogee · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I remember corrently, the original patent for the use of thermostable Thermophilus aquaticus DNA polymerase belongs to Roche. Before I posted this comment, I checked in espacenet for any patents by Invitrogen regarding "thermostable" or "thermophilus" or "aquaticus". I couldn't find any hits.

    You are right, however, there are a number of patents regarding Taq polymerase, but they actually patent a method using this enzyme, or a laboratory-made mutation of this enzyme, mostly with the goal of improving fidelity of DNA replication. That is in accordance with established copyright laws (afaik -- ianal), they didn't simply patent something they found, but a method that uses it.

    If you are a researcher at a non-commercial institution, you are if I'm correctly informed, exempt from certain patent laws, and I heard of people who have their own expression vectors for Taq polymerase, and use it to produce polymerase for their lab's use.

    Also, no biotech company would go to the point of "harvesting" the polymerase from Thermophilus aquaticus, when you can have your friendly E.coli make the same protein in a much easier way.

  17. You have got to be kidding me! by genetic_freak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any one who thinks that taking a shovel and bucket to antartica to collect organisms growing in the ice and snow is an econoically viable option is insane. The pin head sized colony of bacteria that they bring back to start production sized cultures in controlled fermeters will never affect the environment.

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  18. Re:Alternatives to Exploiting Evolution's Accident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Quick tutorial in drug discovery. First of all, that term doesn't describe what your nosy Aunt Mildred does when you're out, but, rather, describes how pharma companies hunt for new products. Essentially, zillions of chemical compounds are tested for biological activity, in a process called ultra high throughput screening. This involves heavy use of automation: robots, image capture and processing, etc. And computers. Lots and lots of computers.

    One of the critical issues is the chemical diversity space of the zillions of screened compounds. The more diverse the chemical space, the more likely you'll fine some promising leads. Broadly, there are two ways that high diversity are generated: 1) by organic synthesis, combining lots of organic chemical groups, in lots of ways (combinatorial chemistry), or, 2) by harvesting natural compounds, which are just plants and animals liquified by a Waring Blender. It turns out that natural compounds tend to represent a larger chemical diversity space, and, therefore, may be more likely to contain novel pharmaceuticals. (The details and reasons are way beyond the scope this post. Take an organic chem course, followed by a biochem course, and you'll understand.)

    Here's a pretty readable article that explains more.

  19. Re:Alternatives to Exploiting Evolution's Accident by Apogee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Soon we will design drugs, rather than find drugs.

    I hope that we will one day indeed design rather than blindly search. We're centainly on the road to it. But then again, I heard the same line about designed drugs coming soon when I started studying biology, and that was, hmm, about 10 years ago.

    To be fair, rational design has made some big steps forward, but the number of drugs and drug candidates that were designed completely in silico is really small. Likewise, the combinatorial chemistry approach is useful, but hasn't kept up with the big promises that hyped this approach maybe 5 years ago. But I may be biased there, the idea of blindly throwing together molecules and then letting a high-throughput assay sort out what works and what doesn't has always rubbed me as somewhat contrary to the ideal of science. It's a bit like simply bringing in more and faster monkeys to get that shakespeare play written.

    Combinatorial chemistry and rational drug design can still learn a lot from nature, and in fact the two can be combined. It is impossible (and will stay so even in the future) to examine all possible chemical structures for a desired activity. For instance, there are 10^62 different molecules of a molecular weight below 500, a typical cutoff for drug molecules. If you would synthesize one molecule of each, you'd make a ball of mass that covers the whole solar system. (quoting from a recent seminar by Prof. H. Waldmann).

    We can't explore the whole chemical diversity, but we may not need to. If you compare a random molecule library to one based on substructures occurring in nature, you'll find that the "natural" library has much higher hit rates than the random one. In a way, nature has worked for us as a filter, selectively enriching substructures that are meaningful in the context of proteins and receptors. Proteins are largely composed of conserved folds, therefore the structures that bind to them are likely to have conserved structures as well. Considering the more creative solutions nature uses to overcome extreme problems will enrich this library of natural structures, and thus be beneficial to rational drug design.

  20. this is not like clearcutting rainforests. by caino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Harvesting a couple of specimens for characterization will not disrupt the antarctic food chain, particularly with the bacterial species. It will just be a matter of creating the appropriate "extreme" habitat/culture conditions, and these organisms can be studied anywhere. There's no way that pfizer or someone else is going to go set up shop down there. Researchers will take a handful of antarctic specimens and study their function elsewhere.

  21. Cool by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Potential discoveries include glycoprotein, which prevents Antarctic fish from freezing...

    I wonder if this sort of thing could ever have application in cryogenics of human beings. Right now, my understanding is that cryogenics is a crock because the freezing process causes the cells in the body to, for lack of a better word, explode. I doubt we'll ever encounter technology to undo that. If you could somehow protect the integrity of the cells during the freezing process however, reanimation should be feasible at some point.

    Of course, I don't know if the whole cryogenics thing is worthwhile as is. But for space travel, even within our own solar system, it could come in quite handy by reducing the need for perishables (food, water, oxygen) as well as being easier to shield the astronauts from radiation by only having to provide serious shielding in a very confined space.

    Anyway, that just seems like a cool possibility some day.