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Plain Cell Phones Fading Away?

An anonymous reader writes "According to this Reuters article plain old vanilla cell phones are fading away in the US. Instead, the author claims, (after quoting some 'expert' from this company) that phones with fancy features (cameras, games, etc.) are starting to dominate. I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls."

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  1. More featuares means more incremental sales by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Cellular phone companies know that they are not far away from fixed rate "all you can eat" plans. Just like ISP's went from charging by the minute for Internet access to fixed rate "unlimited" usage. So, where do you get incremental income when you can no longer bill by the minute? You sell ringtones, you charge to transfer color pictures, fees for accessing the web, etc. etc. The more features a phone has, the more opportunities to sell something and/or upsell.

    Happy Trails,

    Erick

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    1. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by Narcissus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Australia the Orange network would let you use your mobile as a landline when at home (well, anywhere within about a 100m radius). OK, so I know it's not what you were really talking about, but I saw that as the first step towards the whole "a mobile is no different to a landline" thing.

      In fact, the Orange deal was pretty good: you got a landline number and a mobile number. If someone called your landline and you weren't in the "home zone" then it just redirected to your mobile (unfortunately you picked up the cost, then). Even better, though, was that you could start a call in your home zone then walk out of that zone and it would still be charged as a normal landline call.

    2. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by mingot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who needs all that nonsense?

      No one. All we really need is air, food, and water. But there are a lot of reasons to WANT these things.

      I have a whiz-bang phone and about the best thing about it has to be the outlook integration. Contact list, Task list, Calander, and Inbox. I used all of these items extensively on the desktop so it's nice to always have access to this information when on the road. Appointment reminders, birthday notifications, task reminders. When I meet folks I don't have to resort to writing information down on scraps of paper and losing them. Nor do I have to go home and enter the information into a second location. I plug the phone into the cradle and there ya go. When I get an email with directions to a client site I don't have to bother with printing it out. I can just browse my inbox from the phone or add a contact. Using the mapping software I have installed on my phone is also helpful when the directions are not. I find a lot of other uses. Notetaking during calls is big for me. They dont get taken on scraps of paper and eaten by the washer machine, they end up on my PC, where they have a chance to be useful. Also handy for airport parking. Nothing like getting back after a week and looking over the sea of cars and wondering where the scrap of paper you wrote the location on has run off to. A PDA does a good deal of this, but the problem is why carry both? More often than not when I was doing the PDA/Cell combo I'd forget the PDA at home.

  2. I would like to see more bluetooth by mpost4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would say that with Bluetooth, cell phones should get less stuff on them. I had a friend said that with Bluetooth a cell phone can just be relegated to a communication conduit. Ideally the cell phone can be made smaller and just stay in the pocket. Or even put in a palm pilot that does not have an ear piece or mouth piece. And have it come with a Bluetooth head set.

    1. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by Kenja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a Sony T616, which is a very small phone, too small to be used on its own realy. However I also have a bluetooth ear peice. Togehter they work great, the sound quality is perfect and I only need to take the phone out of my pocket to dial numbers which dont have a voice dial command setup. Add to that the fact that I can get on the internet with my PDA via the same bluetooth connection and the phone is a must have for the geek on the go.

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    2. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by Kenja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, your phone has voice dialing, which records the sound of your voice and then does a digital comaprison in the future. So you can record yourself saying "call mom" and tell the phone to call 555.555.5555 whenever it hears you say that. What I want is to be able to speak a phone number "five five five etc..." and have it dial, no phone has this yet as they lack the CPU power. When we get GHz XScale CPUs in cell phones it'll work.

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    3. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by PunchMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So you can record yourself saying "call mom" and tell the phone to call 555.555.5555 whenever it hears you say that.

      Here in Toronto I was with Bell for my cellphone a few years ago and subscribed to their voice dialing feature which was precisely this. It worked fantastic *except* that the system would repeat the number back to you (rather slowly) to confirm the number.... which wasn't a big deal, except it ALWAYS got the number right unless I was deliberately trying to screw it up.

      It was a great feature and I'm sorry to see that no cellphones have this... even if you did have to train it on each number or something first.

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  3. Another thing... by JoeLinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you work for the Department of Defense on a military installation, you are not allowed to bring a camera phone onto the facility. A friend of mine did, and they fired him on the spot.

    1. Re:Another thing... by NOLAChief · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doesn't necessarily have to be DoD. I visited the U.S. Customs lab in San Francisco and they are just as paranoid about people bringing cameras in, whether or not they're attached to a phone. I suspect the same policies can be extended to most other government agencies and private companies where protecting information is an issue. The cell Co's are shooting themselves in the foot if they discontinue plain jane phones only to have a big chunk of their market vanish when people figure out the fancy-ass ones can get them fired.

  4. Vanilla Phones by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Boston the most common phone I see is the cheap motorola phones that you get for $40 with a Verizon contract. Before that it was the cheap ?samsung phone that you got with the Sprint contract.

    maybe that's just those of us who aren't into the bling factor.

  5. Try the 120e by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Long live the Motorola 120e!

    My wife and I both got cell phones about a year ago. Hers was the fancy, bonus-cash-off color screen fold-open phone, mine was the standard, free-with-plan Motorola 120e. At the time, I thought I was being nice by letting her have the color phone. While she still likes it, I'm quite glad I let her have it, as the 120e is the perfect 'plain vanilla' phone for me. It's got a basic feature list--datebook, phonebook, and such--has a simple, monochrome screen, a powerful backlight (it comes in quite handy in blackouts,) and a nice design. It's absolutely bulletproof--it has gouges on the casing from where I've dropped, crushed, and scraped it, but it still works perfectly. It can last for days without needing a charge, and the call quality is just fine.

    By contrast, the hinge on my wife's phone wiggles and feels somewhat flimsy, it's lucky to go for 36 hours without running out of juice, all the neat 'features' just end up costing money if you want to use them, and frankly, it doesn't get any better reception or sound quality than my phone does. Yeah, she can play Tetris on it, but honestly, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.

    For a good little "I just want to talk on it" phone, I'd recommend the 120e...

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    1. Re:Try the 120e by phrasebook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your post reminds me of when I first got into Linux. I was doing it all - IMAP, Samba, KDE, GNOME, I was serving up files, sucking down emails, filtering mailing lists, blocking ports, emulating CPUs, unpacking archives, dumping disks, querying databases, compiling software, checking memory usage, killing processes, grepping strings, setting quotas, you name it. I thought this is fantastic, I could never go back, what had I been missing!

      Then I kinda realised over a period of time... what IS all this crap?! I didn't really need much of it at all. I'd been doing just as much without as with. I was using most of it just because it was there, and because I could.

      Ditto the phones. I used to compare phones. Used to know the model numbers. Used to give a shit. Maybe I'm just getting cynical, but my Nokia 5110 does a lot more than I need already. And most importantly, it makes telephone calls (although it's having some difficulty nowadays :). And that is what I need, in the end.

      I guess I stopped looking for features just for the sake of it. I think it's pretty easy to literally trick yourself into thinking that you need something, just because it's there and you can use it or buy it or get it, or because someone else has got it.

      You may really need all those features, which is cool. But generally I don't think you can say others are 'missing out' by using 'limited devices', as you put it. For me, I'm using a device that does what I primarily need, works okay, and I'm not missing out on a single thing. In fact I'd say I'm doing just as much, if not more, by using a more 'limited' device.

      I wonder if this happens to other people? ie. getting more and more interested in features, then kinda stepping back and just using what you need and not looking too far beyond that.

  6. *XML* enabled address book by revscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Holy moly, the day that a cell phone manufacturer comes out with the ability to export/import your address book as an XML document is the day I get a new cell phone. I'm with the author of the blurb. I need a phone to call people, and to store the contact info for those I call. That's it. And it'd sure 'nuff be nice to be able to import/export that info into/out of my system.

    I could give a rat turd about cameras and ring tones.

  7. Security Problems Too by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Our company has banned cellphones and PDAs with cameras inside the workplace for secutiry reasons. They have also banned wireless network devices. Whenever someone orders a new laptop the admin has to disable the wireless network card before turning it over to the user.

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  8. Nokia 6110 by October_30th · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've still got it.

    If I remember correctly, it was released in 1997. It cost me an arm and a leg (my first cell phone ever) but it's still working. Somehow it reminds me of my HP 48SX calculator.

    My only gripe with it is that when it's cold (-10 C) outside, the display doesn't refresh properly. Other than that, it's in a perfect working condition.

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  9. Re:The is a good example by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nah, there are just no alternatives anymore. Go out and look for just a cell phone, they all have PDA features, color LCD screens, IM and eMail and stuff.

    It's more like a forced up-selling, you really dont have the choice.

    My company just handed out a round of new phones not too long ago that are so bloated with features they're borderline useless as a phone. They run PalmOS, and I've had it crash with a fatal exception just by trying to answer it when it was ringing.

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  10. Good! by thesolo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    phones with fancy features (cameras, games, etc.) are starting to dominate.

    Well great then! I think this is fantastic. Think about all of the places that cameras aren't allowed, for example movie theaters. Now think about how many jackasses who leave their phone on and have it ring during the movie.

    This will have the benefit of making phones more and more difficult to bring into public places, since cameras aren't allowed in those places. In my opinion, all the better. I hate cell phones, I dislike even having one (I only do because of work), and I'm all for any "features" that cause a backlash against them.

    Cell phones are now already banned from strip clubs, certain concert venues are pushing against them, etc. This is a great thing in my opinion.

  11. Re:Whatever by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nope. We're getting close to the point that a low-level cell phone will have a color display and enough computing power to play Pac-Man.

    386 computers are still useful, but you won't find anybody selling new 386 chips anymore. They're outdated, and it's cheaper to just take a 1 GHz chip and barely use it than to try to find working old parts...

  12. The providers have the final say by F.+Mephit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems that the usable selection of cellphones available is pretty much dictated by the companies who provide service to them. Anyone can buy an old-style phone off eBay, but to use it the service companies have to allow the phone to be programmed to their networks. When the business pressure of the users of any given phone style is outweighed by the cost and hassle of providing service to those phones (i.e. when current technology progresses to the point where old-style phones get too old and their technology is difficult to remain backwards-compliant with), the providers will, one by one, stop letting the phones be used. Of course, there may remain niche markets for old tech phones in areas where larger numbers of their users live (and maybe willing to pay a premium for the service?).

  13. Philosophy of Simplicity by MythoBeast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At one point in my life, I purposely went out to purchase the geekiest watch I could find. That thing transferred phone numbers from my computer just by holding it up to the computer screen, and it was like wearing a hocky puck. I came to hate the thing, and have taken to purchasing the plainest watch I can find. One with actual hands, and a mechanical date function.

    One of the things that I never understood about email clients was why they insisted on trying to store all of the contact information about a person. Who sends things to a snail mail address from an email client? Attempting to keep these things synched with your regular contact manager (like a PDA) is silly because I never try to send email from my PDA, and I have three times as many email addresses as I have real world address and phone number sets.

    Inappropriately added functionality usually just makes a device more difficult to use, or at least distracts from its primary function. I have a PDA for my addresses; I don't need them on my cell phone. I don't want to have to whip out an entire PDA every time I make a call. The games are cute, but they just drain the batteries more quickly. The only unusual feature that I actually use on my cell phone is the Direct Connect, which I consider to be a logical extension. Everything else is a waste of electronics, a waste of my time, and a waste of the energy it takes to lug the thing around.

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  14. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by rjelks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember reading an article a couple of years ago about games on cellphones. The author claimed that the manufactures are putting games on the phones so the buttons wear out faster. Worn out buttons = need a new phone sooner.

    so:
    1. Make a phone with games.
    2. User wears out buttons faster.
    3. ?
    4. Profit!

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  15. Cheap as Free! by Xhad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "When the phones with the features are as cheap as the plain jane phones, then they will replace them." My cell phone, which has capabilities for Internet Access (if I chose to put it on my plan) and a handful of games, and a calculator, and probably some other stuff I don't even know how to use, came free with my cheapskate call plan. When you can get these extra unnecessary features without paying a dime for them, there's no reason not to get one if the part you want works.

  16. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by Goyuix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where I work, cameras are strictly prohibited, and basically under no circumstances can I ever bring one inside the building - and a camera phone would be much worse.

    That being said, they are wary of even plain old vanilla cell phones and PDA's, though you can get those cleared with a little paperwork. Bottom line - I will probably never buy a phone that has a camera built in, and quite frankly think that it is really just kind of a gimmicky thing that will probably be used for more bad purposes than good, but that may just be the cynic in me.

    Quite frankly, I wish bluetooth was more prominent in cell phones - I would definitely use that a lot more - and not just for internet access, just syncing contacts and content - and a lot of stuff that doesn't fit on my SIM card that I may want to easily transport between phones. I have a hard time believing they can put a camera on a cell phone for a substantially different cost than putting BT hardware.

  17. Camera Phones by Entropy_ajb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I purchased a new phone about 6 months ago, one of the features I was looking for was a phone WITHOUT a camera. The problem was, that all of the high end(ie small) phones had cameras built in. I finally found one, but this is going to be a problem for many employers/employees. Where I interned last summer (a major defense contractor), cameras of any kind were not allowed on site. This means that if I had purchased a camera phone I would not have been able to take it to work with me. Many people were already starting to bring camera phones to work, and this was last summer. This is where the problem for the employer begins. Does the employer fire an employee that brings a camera phone to work? In the case of defense contractors this can get really ugly, because the company can get in big trouble if they find out that there are unauthorized camera going to and leaving the plant site every day. This puts the employee and the employer in a bind because it is very reasonable for an employee to want to bring a cell phone with him to work, but even if they leave it in their car while they are working, if it is a camera phone it is still illegal.

  18. I disagree. by Attilla_The_Pun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I recently had the opportunity to get a new cell phone (Read: My old Motorola StarTac got busted.) I went out and did a little shopping. Not only did I find out that there was no compelling reason for me to upgrade, but that the new phones actually got a worse signal than my "old" StarTac. So I tell the counter person that I just want a new StarTac. Thankfully, they still make these, and I was able to get one. And the reason I think this article is BS...is that he told me that, STILL, the old clamshell StarTacs are their best-selling phones. I think I got mine over 6 years back. That says alot. I can't see myself getting a new cell phone until they combine a fully-functional PDA and a cell phone into one, and sell it at a cheap price. And that's only because I've been needing a PDA recently, but hate carrying more than one electronic gadget.

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  19. Demand vs. Utility by SuperChuck69 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ah, how long ago was it when I finally conceded to owning a cellular phone? "Just in case I'm stranded on the side of the road," I said. Oh, how wrong was I? I shortly learned how much easier it made my life to be mobile!

    When I got back from working in London, I was looking for a new carrier that had some of the features I had seen in while I was over there, namely SMS and WAP.

    How stupid and pointless is SMS? I mean, really, all I need is a phone to make calls with. I don't need silly doo-dads like text messages! It's a phone! I just need to use it to call people!

    Yet, text messages have completely penetrated American culture (as they had in London). Conversations have overhead. "Hi, how are you, how's the weather, how are the kids [INSERT REASON FOR CALL HERE] Well I should be going, have a great day, yeah we really should go skiing some time, okay, I'll call you next week, have a great week, blah blah blah". Text messages, on the other hand, are concise. "I got tickets to the superbowl, yay me". And if the recipient is away from her phone? Fine, she'll get it whenever.

    And, thus, almost everyone who bought their phone "just to have a phone to make calls on" and conceded to having text message capability has really enjoyed the text capability. A couple months ago, my father got his very first mobile phone and was sending me text messages within a week.

    WAP hasn't taken off as strongly in the United States, probably because it costs an extra couple of bucks (and, thus, unlike text messages can be averted). However, those who did break down and pay the extra couple of bucks think it's the best thing since sliced bread. If, for some God-awful reason, I have to be away from televisions on Sunday, I can get the football scores immediately. Just 45 or so minutes ago, I checked the weekend weather and ski reports at lunch.

    So why are we so averse to technology (or techno-creep)? I constantly hear even technophiles saying "I don't need my phone to do that". Get with it: YOU DO NEED YOUR PHONE TO DO THAT, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET!

    Most of the "new mobile phone technology" has been alive and kicking in Europe, the UK, Asia, and Africa for years before coming to the antiquated United States. It has all been tested in those climates. It is all successful technology before it reaches the United States.

    Which brings us to the latest debacle. Camera phones. Camera phones have seen wild success in the UK. As they caught on, the Brits found new uses for them and just continued until millions and millions of images were flying through the clouds over London.

    Personally, I'm just waiting for my contract to expire so I can get the best and brightest camera phone out there. I already know I can use it to take pictures of the goofy things I see every day and send them to my friends. It also allows me to have a cheap digicam on my person at all times. Sure, it's only 640x480, but all I usually want is a "look, it's me on top of Mt. Everest! Hi mom!" for the ole' website. I'm not shooting weddings.

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  20. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by pyros · · Score: 2, Interesting
    More often than not I see these assholes wait to answer the phone until the song is over.

    Some people have sensitive ears and get really agitated if you play part of a melody, building up to a final note that resolves the scale, and then don't play it. (Like Cartman having to sing Come Sail Away if he hears part of it) I absolutely hate when people choose a song ring tone and answer half-way thru. It's precisely why I use a regular ring tone instead of a song.

  21. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If that's all you wanted, you wouldn't need it to play music. Just lots of different sounding tones are enough, like "beep beep beep" versus "warble warble" versus "Beep Bop Beep Bop" versus "buzz buzz", and so on. The pretentiousness kicks in when it's "the 1812 Overture" versus "Bethoven's Fifth" versus "The Monty Python lumberjack song." The ring tone, if you are changing it for the sake of sounding unique, should communicate its instinctiveness immediately, within the first few notes. Waiting several measures shouldn't be needed.)

    My cellphone has a way to just type in the notes by hand (for example: 2c4f5c1a1b1e, or something like that to mean this note, this long, in this octave, then this note, this long, in this octave, etc" (I don't remember the exact code scheme). All I do is enter gibberish that fits the syntax, without even thinking about what it will sound like. Then, I listen to it. It sounds like crap, but I know unmistakably that it's mine, and it serves it's function, and I don't feel tempted to wait to hear out the whole song.)

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  22. Soon the carriers won't sell plain phones by DonGar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was at a game development conference a while back aimed at small/portable game platforms. One of the talks I attended went into the expected growth of the phone gaming market, and what types of games are the most popular (and why).

    One of the important facts that came out is that most people who buy a phone that can download and play games will eventually do it, even if they didn't know or care about the ability to do so when they bought the phone.

    It was also mentioned that the major carriers are aware of this, and plan to start only selling phones that support downloadable games and ringtones. They all those additional $1 and $2 purchases.

    I also found it interesting that one of the best selling (and most consistant) games is hangman. It was strongly pointed out at the conference that most of the phone game market does NOT consist of traditional gamers, and their interests to do lay in the same things.

    PS:
    I recently bought a new phone with bluetooth. I didn't want the camera, but couldn't get the rest of the stuff I wanted without it.

    Since then I've used it quite a bit, and not for the reasons you expect. For example, it's a really great way to entertain a 5 year old at a restaurant.

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