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Dream Jobs of 2004

prostoalex writes "We've read about the worst jobs out there, the most overpaid ones, the worst job postings and the outsourcing tendencies. Can an article on employment in scientific and engineering fields can have a positive outlook? February issue of IEEE Spectrum talks about the dream ('coolest, baddest, hippest, grooviest') jobs, where people have fun and enjoy what they're doing. IEEE publication covered the dream jobs for Electrical Engineering majors only. The linked article is actually a story about 9 different people with 9 different jobs, each leading to a separate article."

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  1. Your job shouldn't be your life. by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want a dream job...

    Dream jobs eliminate the one good thing about life. Vacation. Whether that be on the weekends, your random days off in the middle of the week, or the two weeks you spend lounging in Jamaica.

    They don't call work "work" for nothing. If it was fun they would call it Vacation. Work gives me something to look forward to when I don't have to do it. It shouldn't be an escape from your family, it shouldn't be fun, and it certainly be something you overly enjoy...

    My enjoyment everyday comes in the form of looking forward to the weekend when I spend my free time geocaching with my friends or myself. If I enjoyed work I would probably be sitting in my office working. What good does that do me?

    We are a sad society when we put work in front of our "real lives".

    Remember that before you go off in search of the job that you just can't wait to get to everyday. Family, fun, and vacation > work.

    BTW - I don't mind my job in the least. I don't complain about it and I don't hate coming to work everyday. I just think it's better to enjoy yourself outside of your job.

    1. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not enjoy both? Sounds like you're trying to rationalize the career you chose.

    2. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by mbge7psh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A truely dream job shouldn't seem like a job at all. If you get payed to do what you truely enjoy, where is the harm in putting it before other hobbies?

    3. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, it's a sad society that SEPARATES "lives" from "work".

      Why should you only enjoy yourself when you're not working?

      Imagine a job in a small company where you know everybody, you and your wife both work and can freely visit, and you bring your kids to work with you every day and watch them learn and play.

      Imagine you can wear whatever religious symbol you want, and say whatever you like without fear of lawsuits. Imagine that once you finish your day's work, you're free to leave, but you don't because you love doing your work.

      Imagine that your life and your work where completely intertwined and you loved every minute of it.

      Isn't it funny that people say "where do you live" when they ask what you do OUTSIDE of work? If "living" happens outside of work, then when you're working, you must be DEAD right? The opposite of live.

      You should look forward to EVERY DAY, not just the weekends. That's sad.

      I don't have the solution.. I'm self-employed and really enjoy it but I still have to deal with the "walking dead" on a regular basis.

    4. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by NineNine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unfortunately, my job is running my own business, and I can't afford to give somebody 6 weeks paid vacation. To me, Germany is a shitty place to work.

    5. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Jorrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Work shouldn't be fun??? That must be one of the saddest remarks I have heard in some time. I would quiet my job the moment it stops getting fun.

      Of course I agree with you that work isn't the only thing in life. Family comes first.

      But if your work isn't fun then I pity you.

      Greetings,

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    6. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Cyclone66 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't the more enlightened country be the one that realizes working like a dog, 50+ hours a week with only a week vacation is not a way to live?

    7. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by gavri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't you hit your head with a hammer all day so you'd feel real good when you stop at the end of the day?

    8. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by visgoth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To quote a great thinker of the 20th century:

      "Huh huh. You gotta have stuff that sucks in order to have stuff that's cool."
      -Butthead

      --
      My patience is infinite, my time is not.
    9. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Moderate parent 5, Insightful. Working 50 and 60 hour weeks with no vacation is very 1890s. Slaving away like a serf for a king is very 1300s.

      Germany and the rest of the European countries have the right idea. A person needs more time to enjoy friends, family, and most importantly for the economy, spend money.

      Yes, I am an American and yes, I might be a little upset since I can't afford to take any time off after my first child is born in August.

    10. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by mbge7psh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree with you that family comes first, but the OP said: My enjoyment everyday comes in the form of looking forward to the weekend when I spend my free time geocaching with my friends or myself. If I enjoyed work I would probably be sitting in my office working. What good does that do me?

      Why not spend time in the office working if you enjoy that more than geocaching?

    11. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by HungWeiLo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You talk about overhead, but you're making the assumption that overworked, 60+ hrs/wk individuals will produce output at a constant rate of high productivity. Also, a very high concern for employers these days is medical. Simply, overworked/tired workers are more likely to get more medical problems and drive up medical costs collectively.

      --
      There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
    12. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everyone who has something negative to say about Germany should visit Germany and be social, instead of having thoughts of hate or rebellion against their government (FYI Hitler is gone), be open and mingle with the society (most people speak english there, the younger people.) You will be surprised what friendly, open, liberal (note the last word) people live there. These days the US is more conservative than most of Europe.

    13. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by spruce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, you should get a -1 flamebait for your aboriginal/third world comment, but it sure is popular to mod against the US.

      I certainly wouldn't mind a little extra time off, but I'm not complaining too much. My work allows me to live a very nice lifestyle, with plenty of time for friends and family.

      From the CIA world factbook - Per capita purchasing powers :

      US : purchasing power parity - $36,300 (2002 est.)

      Sweden purchasing power parity - $26,000 (2002 est.)

      Germany : purchasing power parity - $26,200 (2002 est.)

      So you're being pretty handily outproduced by a buch of aborigines. Maybe I can use some of my hard earned cash some day to visit the enlightened part of the world, Sweden.

    14. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and you will spend your extra $10K per year on doctors and medicine.

  2. I have a dream job... by milgr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After being unemployed for several months, almost any job became my dream job.

    Being paid to work on Linux device drivers makes it even dreamier. Or at least geekier.

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    Where law ends, tyranny begins -- William Pitt
  3. Re:Win the lotto! by four12 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Would I still work in IT? No. Not only "no", but "hell no". I'd play with some computer stuff, but I wouldn't hang my hat on it.

    What would I do? I would be a world-travelling photographer, specializing in great hiking trails and locations. I'd specialize on Europe, but branch out occasionally.

    Yep, that's what I would do... go hikin' and take pictures.

  4. How many here by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many here simply dream of a job? Wont be long until there are no more employed westerners outside of wally worlds, fast food and politicians. Can we outsource our politicians and ceo's to India too?

  5. make it so by polymorpheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not just about "pursuing" that dream job, it's also as much, if not more, about creating that job. I've found it amazing to what latitude employer's will go when presented with unique job ideas. Most often one has to envision and then sell (to one's boss) that dream position before one can have it.

  6. dream jobs and being subjective .. by psycho_tinman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Naysayer that I am, I think a "dream job" is impossibly subjective.

    Some people may be thought to have dream jobs because it pays well in general(professional sports stars). Some people because it is something you wish you were paid for (professional gamers or err.. movie critics, if you like). Some may have dream jobs because you wish you were doing that job (it's description, at any rate.. some people entertain fantasies about being a photographer for a magazine like Playboy :p). Some people may wish for cutting edge technology jobs.. Hey, when Marcelo Toscatti was interviewed, I remember a comment saying "he's 20 years old, kernel maintainer and married".. :)

    So what is it that we like about these jobs ? The fact that the grass always looks greener on someone else's pasture ? or the fact that we wish we were doing something else ? :)

    For me, the job I landed immediately after I graduated was my "dream job". Hey, I was paid to code. I loved writing code, I liked finding tricky solutions to problems, I just liked my job. The fact that they paid me (obscenely well by the standards of an undergraduate who had been paid nothing before for doing mostly the same thing) didn't even enter the equation. For about 6 months or so, I was one happy puppy. Churning out code, design specs..researching things I wanted to do, learning new stuff.

    Then the rest of my life kicked in. You figure out the 12 hour days are ok, but you didn't want to stay in office and miss the rest of your life pass you by. A progamer interview I saw recently (ShowTime, a War3 player) said he plays almost continuously for 15 hours a day. I may like gaming, but I couldn't take that continously for too long. Even people with dream jobs need to find a balance somewhere. If a dream job demands all your energy, your time.. leaves you with no energy for anything else.. then it won't be your dream job forever.

    A true dream job (definitely not something you can be paid for, so I wonder if you can call it a "job" anymore) would allow you balance. If you're earning a wage for it, then sooner or later, you will find yourself wishing for something else.

    My $0.02

  7. fallacy by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how many times have you heard people say that they loved computers until they started working with them professionally?

    There is no dream job. The fact that it's a job takes all the enjoyment out of it.

  8. Re:There's always worse. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are you kidding? I'd have t-shirts made proclaiming that I designed smart urinals for a living. You have a unique job that many people would get a kick out of.

    It should also be notted that getting blank looks at SCA meetings is normal. Somthing about people who get hit in the head with sticks for fun.

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    "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
  9. An opposing point of view would say by devphil · · Score: 4, Insightful


    that if you find a job that you like, you'll never have to work a day in your life.

    Friend, if the best thing about your job is the time you spend away from it, you're in the wrong job.

    I'm not saying it should be the centerpiece of your life. (Indeed, my mother tells me that we are a nation that worships our work, works at our play, and plays at our worship. *grin*) I think I have my dream job, but I'm not going to pass up spending time with good friends to get in a few more hours just for fun. But if you dread your job to the point where the only enjoyment is looking to leave, you need to find new employment.

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    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  10. Re:History Channel's dream job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    so instead of dying enjoying what you do you die at home hooked to an IV full of drugs when you're 20 years past the days when you were actually able to function and enjoy yourself?

    No thanks. I'd rather die at 35 having a blast than at 99 after being a near shut-in both physically and mentally.

  11. Re:History Channel's dream job by __past__ · · Score: 2, Insightful
    His job might have been a lot less enjoyable after the series of deadly accidents caused by test drivers on german autobahns last year. Of course, the most spectacular case was a BMW driver IIRC, not a Porsche guy, but he probably would be affected by this as well (if he did survive until today and kept able to do the job, that is).

    Even in germany, where there is indeed not a hard speed limit for huge parts of the autobahn, when you are involved in an accident, you are automatically at least partially guilty if you went faster than 130km/h. If some bozo causes an accident you are involved in without actually doing anything wrong, but you maxed out your 911, you will at least loose your driver's license, and probably a significant amount of money. In many cases, it gets worse, and righly so.

  12. Re:Yeah, but what about... by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, astronaut, deep sea submersibles, yeah, yeah. But they left out bikini team oiler.

    I would NOT want to be an astronaut. Aside from the risk, it is often uncomfortable. The space suits have all kinds of poking and scratchy things in them, and you have tight quarters with even less fresh air than an office cubicle. Plus, you are expected to keep constant concentration with lots of funny beeping and flashing things all around. And The Food! Oh my. Think airlines are bad. And, there are jillions of cold metal gizmos to hook up before you take a poop, and no magazines in there.

    Alien 9: "In space, you can't wear flannel shirts."

  13. Re:In Soviet Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Good thing the US doesn't have a budget deficit!

  14. Re:There's always worse. by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me tell you something: if you think you have the worst job, there's always a more dire one.

    That's only true if there are an unlimited number of jobs, which I don't think is the current situation.

    -Colin

  15. Re:History Channel's dream job by NotClever · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At 36, I'd have to disagree. :)

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    Hell, there are no rules here. We're trying to accomplish something. - Thomas Edison
  16. Dream Job by mewyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently saw my dream job (well, at least for this point in my career) and applied to it.

    It is a PC/Mac/Unix admin job at Pixar. Too bad I'm sure my resume got lost in the noise. I think it would be so awesome to work there.

    Mewyn Dy'ner

  17. Festival Seating by Ranger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let me tell you about my dream job:

    Just when I thought things couldn't possibly get worse at my place of work, they do. We are no longer going to have assigned seats. We'll have a new cubicle to sit in everyday. They have chosen to call it 'festival seating'. I call it crap. I did ask my manager does that mean I might be going to a new floor everyday looking for a place to sit? She said no. And then I asked does that mean if I go to lunch my spot won't be occupied? She also said no to that one as well.

    Now this insult is in addition to the staggered schedules, the required overtime (since Thanksgiving of 2003 and thru March of 2004), and the required sales goals (it doesn't matter how good a tech you are. no sales. no job. nor does it matter that your original job description did not require sales). I forgot to mention we talk to angry, pissed-off customers whose problems we can't fix. This is after they had been on hold a minimum of ten minutes. My favorites are the ones who've been on hold for twenty minutes and transferred to the wrong department. Mine.

    For example: Customer says "I can't place or receive any calls." Do you say A) "I"m sorry you've been transferred to the wrong department. They should have transferred you to a trouble specialist. I do data support. and then transfer them after arguing with them for several more minutes. Or do you say B) I'm sorry you can't place or receive any calls. Let me check a few things for you (while you twiddle your thumbs for a few seconds.). and say Hmm... well everything looks good here. OK power cycle the phone. Try placing a call. Hmmm.. still no go? It looks like I need to escalate this call to one of my trouble specialists. They have access to more tools than I do and can check into this more thoroughly to fix this problem. Let me transfer you. but before I do would you like to add X service to your plan."

    As one of my co-workers put it "There is no bottom to this place." Theoretically the outsourced call center employees could unionize, but cell phone carrier would just pull their contract. We were ostensibly told that we are simply not making the most efficient use of computers and space. The real reason is that my company is expanding and they are cheap bastards who don't want to rent more floors in our building because they plan on expanding to other facilities later.

    Whenever I hear the word festival I am reminded of the Star Trek episode "Return of the Archons" with everyone yelling 'Festival! Festival!" and "Are you of the body?"

    The floggings will continue until moral improves!
    --
    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
  18. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by smallstepforman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having a supermodel girlfriend is exciting for the first 4-6 months (with unbelievable bragging rights), but after that you also get tired of her shit, bugs in her head and personality flaws, and realise that they're just like everyone else (but with super looks). But then you're given crap for being overweight (she works with stick figures all day), not hunky enough (she works with male models), not seducive or witty enough (hey, everyone is trying to seduce her), etc. so you're always trying 100% of the time to keep her.

    After months of this, you just want a normal witty girl who is fun to be with, looks be damned.

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    Revolution = Evolution
  19. My new job by joehoya · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Back in November, I took a job I found through the washingtonpost.com. The job was for tech support to executives at a non-profit bio-tech research lab. I started the job on a Monday, on Sunday I was on a private jet flying to Newport, RI to get on a 95-foot sailing yacht about to embark on an around the world research expedition. Since then I have sailed from Newport all the way through the Panama Canal.

    In the process I outfitted the boat with 7+ PCs, a VGA matrix switch system, a 42" plasma, a wireless LAN, ran 1000' of cat-5 and 500' of VGA cable in the boat, installed a $30K microscope with built-in webserver, configured several satcom systems and learned the rudiements of sailing and knot tying, all while being filmed by the Discovery Channel.

    In two weeks I will be headed to the Galapagos Islands for a week to make sure everything is working before the boat heads across the Pacific.

    As much as this has been a dream job, it has (on repeated occasions) nearly cost me my 3-year relationship with the most wonderful woman in the world. I think the hardest thing about a dream job (just as others have noted) is finding a balance with the rest of your life.

  20. Worth looking at spread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The standard deviation is much higher on the US figure than the Sweden figure. So whilst you might have 10 Swedes with 26K, you are likey to have one american with 100K, two with 35K and 7 with about 12.5K. A very small % of the US population generate most of the money. Swedish and German economies might earn less, but the outcome is more balanced.

  21. The answer is simple. by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jobs involve doing work that other people don't want to do themselves. So, you get payed to do "work". If you are doing work and love it, then generally it's regarded as a hobby. But of course, there is an exception to everything in life. So if your lucky, you can do your hobby AND get paid for it.

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    Life is not for the lazy.