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Gnome's Nice Little GUI Perks

asdren writes " Steven Garrity has written a short article highlighting some 'user interface niceties' found in Gnome with regards to file renaming, screen captures, fonts and file zooming." Garrity points out that "... tiny details can have a significant impact on the user experience on operating systems. Inconsistencies that seem insignificant when considering individually, but together they degrade the overall polish and sense of stability in the system," and points out a few places where Gnome manages to avoid such inconsistency.

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  1. support for WebDAV in nautilus by stonebeat.org · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although Steven some nice features, he missed to mention that Nautilus supports WebDAV as well. WebDAV stands for "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning".
    However Nautilus needs to improve the WebDAV functionality. MacOS has the best implementation of a WebDAV client as far as I know.

  2. Google Cache by c4Ff3In3+4ddiC+ · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. and it took Microsoft how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to get Windows a decently stable and complete Desktop? 10? 15? Let's not forget GNOME is a relative new-comer at 6 years old, and the fact that it has a fraction of the number of developers and resources Microsoft can devote to their desktop should tell you how quickly it is progressing. Yes it is far from perfect, but you simply have not been paying attention if you aren't astonished by the advances GNOME (and KDE) have made in the last 3 years.

  4. I'll show you significant impact! by seanvaandering · · Score: 5, Interesting

    tiny details can have a significant impact on the user experience on operating ystems.

    Okay, while I completely agree with that article, Ill share some of my 'user experiences' using Linux vs. Windows and how things in Linux coming from a Windows POV are still archaic at best.

    For instance, yes like windows, you can hit the Print Screen button and get screen shots the same as windows, BUT it popups up a program asking you what to DO with the screenshot and how to save it - very nice.

    However, From a user who used IE just for the convienance when on WIndows, I migrated to Linux beore the MyDOOM crap and heres what Ive found:

    Mozilla still has a ways to go, and is still IMHO a superior browser to IE, mostly due to the fact it does not allow executable installations and popups enabled by default -- HOWEVER, installing Java as a plugin in the browser and making it a "symbolic link" in the plugins directory of the JavaVM is tricky at best. If i didnt have a clue about these things Id be trashing Linux right there. No one in windows land has no clue what a symbolic link is, or how to "create one" in a command line.

    There are other things also, but ill stick to the most basic and most obvious problem that a linux newbie would encounter right off the bat after installing Linux after migrating from Windows.

    Keep in mind, its the things that DON'T work that ultimately decides if a user is going to stick with a particular operating system/GUI/client or not -- unlike most of the slashdot crowd, the general public simply does not have the patience to try and troubleshoot a problem or PAY anyone, for that matter to get the same functionality that they had before.

  5. File naming and other stuff by WWWWolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just this weekend I was still getting used to this weird operating system known as MacOSX: "How the heck do I rename a file?" Found out that clicking on the file name works. Yet, I far prefer GNOME's renaming idea: Renaming file is in the context menu, Edit menu and key F2 - and not selecting the file name extension is nice.

    I also like the idea of using SVG for icons - scalable icons rule, and have done so for years in operating systems no one uses. I just wish the SVG themers could come up with even a single aesthetically pleasing and extensive collection of file icons. The button themes are good already.

    Oh, and Emblems. Nautilus had these years ago. These things rule. OSX 10.3 got colored names. Not sure if Windows has innovated this feature yet.

    Now that I finally have some very infrequent access to a Mac - the supposed bastion of good UI design - I've started getting a little bit annoyed that GNOME stuff and WindowMaker are actually better at times. Both are lightyears ahead of Microsoft, though =)

  6. Re:Huh? by Audity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He never said you couldn't rename files in windows by right clicking-them. The point was that there's a "feature" in windows and OS X that allows you to rename files easily. The problem is it's too easy and gets triggered by accident often. Gnome doesn't have this problem (and niether does KDE).

  7. Re:6 points by officepotato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's more important than you'd think... It seems that everyone loves OSX, which is notable for having an incredible display manager and style standards. People notice the little perks like the camera-shutter sound more than they notice the bigger architectural changes.

    At my job, I run a network of mainly Windows XP computers, and a small lab of linux servers with KDE 3.2 installed as the default desktop environment for whoever wants to use it. Invariably the first user comments are on the bouncing icons, translucent menus, or the fact that GAIM shows buddy icons in the main list. People generally don't care what the operating system is, but they do notice changes in the UI.

    Linux has matured as a server OS, but being fast and pretty will bring it to the masses.

  8. WMP by dancingmad · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using Windows Media Player, it is quite difficult to get a screenshot of a playing DVD. If you take a screenshot while a DVD is playing, you'll see a big empty black box where the movie should be.

    I'm no fan of WMP (I use BS Player or Windows Media Player Classic) but it's easy enough to get a screenshot from it, just turn down hardware acceleration.

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  9. Some irritating glitches too... by Tord · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use Gnome every day at work and while there is much about the environment to love, there are also some really anoying glitches that I don't understand why they haven't been addressed allready. A few examples:

    1. You can easily create or install themes by clicking your way through or drag-n-drop, but there is no apparent way of REMOVING a theme.

    2. You can't change the location a launcher or shortcut points to once you have created it. That's irritating if you just needed to move the file or rename one folder in a long path and don't want to go through the hassle of creating a new launcher, name it and select icon from a long list again.

    3. You can drag-n-drop emblems onto icons from the sidebar, but you can't remove them in the same easy way. To do that you need to right-click the icon and go into a totally different dialogue.

    4. View files as a list in Nautilus and there is no way you can right-click on the background to get the context menu in order to for example add a folder. You then have to do it through the top-of-window menu instead.

    5. Listview in Nautilus again: you can't drag-n-drop a file from another window without dropping it onto an entry.

    6. There is no way you can change the permissions or emblems of multiple selected files in one go from Nautilus. You have to address them one by one.

    Just like Gnome's small features really adds to the experience, these small glitches really destroys it too when you run into them. Gnome is my prefered environment though, here's to hoping that some of these gets fixed in the next release...

    1. Re:Some irritating glitches too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. You can easily create or install themes by clicking your way through or drag-n-drop, but there is no apparent way of REMOVING a theme.

      Theme Details -> Go to Theme Folder [file manager opens ~/.themes], and delete what you don't want. Granted it's not as easy as selecting or editing themes, but normal people aren't going to be adding/deleting themes themselves anyway, so it's not important to make it idiot proof. Themes are available as packages and are installed/un-installed through the package manager.

      2. You can't change the location a launcher or shortcut points to once you have created it. That's irritating if you just needed to move the file or rename one folder in a long path and don't want to go through the hassle of creating a new launcher, name it and select icon from a long list again.

      That's not exactly what I would call "a glitch", it's an enhancement, but yes it would be nice to have.

      3. You can drag-n-drop emblems onto icons from the sidebar, but you can't remove them in the same easy way. To do that you need to right-click the icon and go into a totally different dialogue.

      Again... that is not a glitch, it's something that should be worked on. But it's hardly priority considering how often people use the emblem functionality.

      4. View files as a list in Nautilus and there is no way you can right-click on the background to get the context menu in order to for example add a folder. You then have to do it through the top-of-window menu instead.

      This is fixed in 2.5/2.6.

      5. Listview in Nautilus again: you can't drag-n-drop a file from another window without dropping it onto an entry.

      Ditto.


      6. There is no way you can change the permissions or emblems of multiple selected files in one go from Nautilus. You have to address them one by one.


      Huh? Yes you can, in the current stable version (2.4) and beyond: select the files you want to change the permissions/emblems of, right-click -> Properties, change the permissions/emblems to what you want. Done.

  10. The source of those UI innovations by elflet · · Score: 5, Informative
    The author keeps using Nautilus to show the innovations in Gnome, and those innovations come back to one person -- Andy Hertzfeld. Andy was a member of the original Macintosh team, who wrote much of Quickdraw and several of the initial applications (including MacPaint). Later, he came up with an vastly improved version of the Finder and a version that handled multitasking natively (Switcher).

    Andy co-founded Eazel, and wrote much of Nautlius; all the UI touches mentioned feel like his handiwork.

  11. Re:Operating Systems? by blixel · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...thinking that a polished GUI with a consistently applied set of design principles makes the OS better.

    Yeah you're right. It's so much easier when every program you use employs a totally unique way of doing things. It annoys me that clicking the upper right "X" button not only closes out the browser window when using Galeon, but it stupidly does the same thing when I'm using RhythmBox.

    It would be much better if the "X" button did something completely unique for each program. Better yet, it should randomly generate a new function each time you click the icon. Keep things interesting you know. This time it closes out the window, next time it launches Gimp, the time after that it reboots my computer. Now *that* would be cool.

  12. Re:You've mentioned ONE technical problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    " I'll be honest, I really couldn't care less if I'm taken seriously by the Slashdot collective, as any technical issues I could come up with would be almost certainly brushed off by a group who has an agenda to fulfill at all costs. That is, in short, "Linux roolz"."

    On the other hand, it's just possible you're incapable of grasping that millions of people are quite happy, efficient and adept at using the software you disdain in spite of your authoritative opinion. When they disagree with your assertions that they're not, you pidgeon hole them as fan boys and adolescents and compound it by getting your panties in a knot when that upsets them too. What do you expect by coming on a Linux-centric forum shit-talking Linux, the hushed admiration of the throng of newly enlightened and a laurel wreath?

  13. Gnome's not so nice GUI... by kisielk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever tried to use a Gnome app over an SSH tunnel? I have tried running PAN and Gaim from school by SSH'ing in to my home computer, and it's unbearably slow. It can take up to a minute to redraw the headers pane in PAN, because for some reason it slowly draws each header bit by bit.. you can actually see them refreshing slowly.

    As an experiment, I tried running some KDE apps over the same connection, and KNode refreshes its whole window nearly as fast as when I use it on my local machine.

    Now, I'm not writing this to rag on Gnome or its apps, because quite frankly I think PAN is the better news reader, and Gaim is my IM client of choice, it's just that for whatever reason they really suck over the network.

    I hope the Gnome developers don't forget that some people still like to run apps over a remote X connection.