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Worried about Digital Evidence Tampering?

2marcus writes "As digital technology continues to improve and is used in more and more applications, the ease of tampering with digital files becomes more pertinent. This is especially important in the field of criminal justice, where even the appearance of possible impropriety can sway a jury. CNN has an article on the issues with digital photos being used for fingerprints and other forensics evidence."

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  1. Only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    make digital evidence inadmissable. Photoshopping/gimping/email fraud/video editing is becoming too easy and too difficult to trace.

    1. Re:Only solution by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uhhhhh...you just made it next to impossible to prosecute a lot of crimes. Take kiddie porn for example - you're saying that a hard drive full of kiddie porn images shouldn't be admissable?

      Please clarify your point, because you either didn't think your comment through, or meant something entirely different than what you wrote.

    2. Re:Only solution by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With our society relying on more digitized information all the time, it is not practical to make it all inadmissable as evidence. There's no way in the world that you could prosecute computer crime or for that matter almost any fraud without digital evidence. As for the photo example, non digital photos can be doctored as well. For example, you could doctor a photo digitally, recapture the picture with film and develop the non-digital photo of the digitally altered image. If its done well, it would be very hard to detect. Bottom line is, we need better evidence authentication, not exclusion of all digital evidence.

    3. Re:Only solution by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Possibly, here's one expensive solution. Some solid state memory card company should start making write once memory that would work in a digital camera. Along with the image would be an md5 sum.

      Then the images could be copied to cdrom along with the md5 sums. If the defense feels that the images have been tampered with, they can always be verified against the md5sum and then if so, the archived memory card.

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    4. Re:Only solution by JoeBuck · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not hard for experts to detect Photoshop fakery, even if amateurs can be fooled. If you move objects around in the picture, you'll never be able to get every cast shadow right, or get the lighting of the removed objects right. The analysis process that the experts use is analogous to ray tracing run backwards: given the images, figure out where the lighting is. Then boundaries between regions that have been altered and regions that have not come out clearly.

      Furthermore, as its name implies, many of the Photoshop tools correspond to tricks that photographers have traditionally played in darkrooms, it just makes it easier.

    5. Re:Only solution by micromoog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your solution is entirely too concise, simple, and complete. Law enforcement will never go for it.

    6. Re:Only solution by jandrese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The thing is, if someone can tamper with the image, they can tamper with the md5sum as well. In your solution, the md5sum is useless, it's the write only memory on the camera that is actually providing your security.

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    7. Re:Only solution by guacamolefoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not hard for experts to detect Photoshop fakery, even if amateurs can be fooled.

      I work in wholesale justice -- I do a lot of court-appointed work. There is no way that an expert will be approved in every case to authenticate or detect alterations of digital images. At the basic level of the legal system, the people who most need this sort of protection (accused criminals) will not be able to afford it.

      I like the idea of digital photographs with some sort of cryptographic self-authentication. It would reduce the risk of cowboy cops faking evidence and putting it over on juries and judges. Someone needs to police the police, and this might help.

      GF.

    8. Re:Only solution by JimBobJoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      you're saying that a hard drive full of kiddie porn images shouldn't be admissable?


      There are quite a lot of issues with kiddie porn prosecution.

      So I read about this article saying they got person X on kiddie porn charges, and yet I wonder how much of that is real kiddie porn, as opposed to

      *photoshopped kiddie porn
      *18 and over porn, but with really young looking girls

      the latter is of interest to me, there's a lot of really young looking girls used in porn, and I assume that the photographer and webmasters have done their duty to make sure the person is 18. However, those credentials don't pass over the net to the photo sitting on the hard drive, how does law enforcement know or not know if the girl really is over 18, though she could pass for 14?

      As for the former, the idea of photoshopped kiddie porn is that it's kiddie porn without, hyptohetically speaking, having hurt a chlid in the process. Should that be illegal in that a person who consumed photoshopped kiddie porn is very likely to commit such an act? That's an ugly precedent.

      Of course, this doesn't even touch the surface of what the difference is between kiddie porn and children who happen not to have any clothes on. Apparently the standard is some sorta fuzzy concept of one type of pic was taken specifically for the purpose of getting off, and the other was not.

      Really odd case from Australia: a guy there makes videos of himself getting kicked in the jewels--that's the sexual fetish. He made one of a 14 year old kicking him, and was brought in on kiddie porn charges (though the girl was completely clothed.) The idea here is that a girl was being used for sexual satisfaction, though, under normal circumstances, it hardly is a sexual situation. (Dunno what happened to the case.)

      Honestly, this is a mine field of questions that no one wants to talk about or answer.

  2. This shouldn't change anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There has always been the possibility that the evidence could have been tampered with before. Since it is digital this only makes it slightly easier to do. It shouldn't matter however because it is always based on the honesty of the law enforcement official to do what is right.

    1. Re:This shouldn't change anything by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative
      Slightly? Right now, I can take a picture of myself and make it look like I'm drinking a beer with Bill Clinton and George W. Bush while we all sit around a table at a titty bar. This wasn't possible 30 years ago.
      Erm, the old Soviet Union (no jokes please) used to play these kinds of stunt all the time, adding people to pictures where they weren't there, and removing them when they were. Airbrushing and other techniques date back to Stalin, and probably earlier.

      Sure, it's a little easier, but it's not something we suddenly can do that we weren't able to do previously.

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  3. maybe someone should write a book by B3ryllium · · Score: 3, Funny

    "How to commit the perfect murder, using Microsoft's debug.exe"

  4. Chain of custody by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any form of physical evidence can be tampered with. That's why the chain of custody is such an important concept. Everybody who had control of that evidence from the point it was discovered to the courtroom needs to testify that they didn't nothing funny, and they saw to it that nobody else did anything funny. That makes tampered evidence just as bad as any other lie to the court, somebody's on the hook for perjury.

  5. I love it by DarkHand · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahh, digital evidence tampering, where would I be without you! I was quite good a creating doctors office letterhead for getting out of school. :)

  6. DIGITAL evidence ? by cwernli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heck, where I come from not even regular (=non-digital) photos et al. are admitted as evidence in court - because they are too easily tampered with.

    Basically only human intel is admitted as evidence (witnesses) - if you want to admit other evidence (such as footprints etc.) you show photos (as an illustration, not as the proof) of course, but _always_ backed up by witnesses (fellow officers, forensics guy) who could be called to testify under oath.

    1. Re:DIGITAL evidence ? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can prove through cryptographic means, md5 sums, etc, that the odds a digital file has been tampered with are billions-to-one. Some cameras designed for LEOs have such stuff built in, you can prove that the file hasnt changed since the camera took it.

      With analog, you end up with a dozen 'experts' with magnifying glasses who cant decide if its bigfoot or a guy in a gorilla outfit.

      Besides, cases are built on actual physical evidence. That freak who kidnapped the little girl from the carwash will get the chair because of DNA and other evidence, not the surveillance footage.

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  7. Tamper vs Analyse by nuggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but then the question of "what is tampering".

    There are actually cases of people photoshopping fingerprints to "bring them out".

    Is that evidence tampering?
    What if they just use a large burn/dodge tool? what if they just use a small one?

    Where is the line?

  8. Fear of false tampering claims by astrashe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If tampering is possible, even if it's unlikely, there will always be an out for people who don't want to believe evidence.

    In practice, the rejection of valid evidence will probably be a bigger problem than the creation of invalid evidence.

  9. Easy Solution by hazman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Simply require all digital evidence to be encrypted. That way anybody who has a thought of tampering would have to consider the wrath of DMCA.

    Nobody would tamper with digital evidence given THAT outcome.

  10. DRM? by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have we finally found a legitimate use for DRM?

    1. Re:DRM? by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I found and read the article before slashdot posted a link to it. I also happen to know how tempting it could be for a lab tech to be told that the bad guy of the month could get off, and by the way just how clear can you make that photo with photoshop? It's ok to enhance a photo to give the cops a pointer on what direction to go in a case, as long as the enhanced photo isn't used for evidence. If you read the article you'll see they were talking specificly about enhancing photos that were to be used as evidence in trials. You did read the article, right?

      Someone who is highly skilled in photoshop can easily manipulate an image well enough that even people in the image can't quite tell what if anything is different. This is quite common with photos used for magazine covers, advertising and the like.

  11. Be careful if you take (digital) pictures by 31415926535897 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My second-to-last year of college, I had signed a lease for a house just off campus for the next school year. It was looking forward to it because it was a nice house and I'd be rooming with my closest buddies.

    Unfortunately, when we went to move in, the place was trashed and grossly out of code for the city/county. In an effort to be released from the lease, I took a bunch of photographs of everything that was wrong with the house, but I took them on my digital camera. I even brought my camera to a developer and had the photos professionally developed.

    Nevertheless, I brought my pictures to a lawyer (school-subsidized, provided for student lessor/lessee problems) and he said that if I wanted to use them in any practical way, I had to go take the pictures again with a real camera (and you could _barely_ tell it was digital).

    Fortunately, we had enough evidence that the landlord caved (and we all learned many valuable lessons about leasing, and the law in that time period).

  12. Who needs evidence? by SparafucileMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A huge swarth of people who get convicted for life or death are poor and stupid minorities who are sentenced with usually little more than one person saying "I swear I saw the defendent...sure it was dark but I swear it!" The criminal justice system in the country (U.S.) is in such a poor state that I don't see how digital evidence is such a huge step backwards. Do you really think it would have been easier to free (or convict) O.J. if the photos of the crimescene were digital?

  13. Seems kinda funny by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems kinda funny, the more you know about technology, the less trusting of it you are. Seems a bit like long time cops that remain paranoid for years after leaving the job. Witness electronic voting regularly get scoured here, as do other forms of tech that are supposed to be accepted as "unquestionable".

    1. Re:Seems kinda funny by rewt66 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, it's because as you learn more about the technology, you learn that it isn't perfect. And this is a good thing.

      We need people who will look at the computers output and say, "That can't be right. I don't care if it came from the computer, it can't be right!" Like especially the doctor who is just about to remove a cancerous lymph node, and the computer is telling him/her to amputate your leg.

  14. Wrong by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There has always been the possibility that the evidence could have been tampered with before. Since it is digital this only makes it slightly easier to do. It shouldn't matter however because it is always based on the honesty of the law enforcement official to do what is right.

    Bullshit.

    This should matter a lot.

    Mark Furman's bigotry was enough to create the appearance of "reasonable" doubt as to the veracity of the DNA evidence that unequivocably linked O.J. Simpson to the murder of his ex wife and her friend. Nevermind that the evidence was almost certainly NOT tainted or modified ... the fact that the jury recognized (and weighed most heavilly) was that the honesty of the law enforcement offical(s) was in serious doubt ... and quite frankly, often is.

    Digital evidence is as fleeting as the wind. I can copy a file to your hard drive, make a phone call, and the assumption will be you're guilty. Or a cop could walk in with a CD, do the same thing, and convict you.

    Gnupg and similiar encryption tools, combined with date and time stamping (perhaps even authenticated date and time stamping via ntp servers) could be deployed relatively simply and make data tampering virtually impossible (e-mails are certain to be real, and have been created on such-and-such a date, etc).

    Similiar schemes might be applicable to preserving the integrity of digital imagry, video, etc., and it is very important that these issues be addressed.

    We know that the police and the FBI do tamper with evidence. We know that they bear false witness in court ... indeed, we even know of at least one case where the FBI insured that an innocent man was convicted of murder and sent to prison in order to protect their own informant.

    Law enforcement will tamper evidence on occasion, and making it easier for them to do so virtually insures that it will be tampered more often. In order to maintain (or even improve) the integrity of our justice system, we need to make modifying digital evidence as difficult (or impossible) as is possible, and we have numerous tools already to do so.

    Dismissing this issue is foolish ... unless you want a scenerio where any Jury with any technical knowhow whatsoever will always vote to acquit, on the grounds that digital evidence is no more valuable than a he-said/she-said argument.

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    1. Re:Wrong by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Gnupg and similiar encryption tools, combined with date and time stamping (perhaps even authenticated date and time stamping via ntp servers) could be deployed relatively simply and make data tampering virtually impossible (e-mails are certain to be real, and have been created on such-and-such a date, etc).

      Ah, but they were written by someone who broke into your machine, used a keylogger to get your passphrase, and were sent by this other individual while you were out having a beer with your buddies.

      Sure, you have a good record that the email was sent at 8:30pm, but, then you can't really prove that you were at the corner bar at that time. After all, will the jury believe the testamony of your drinking buddies, or a cold, cryptographically-secure computer log?

      (Admittedly, this is less likely to be an issue in investigating a crime that has already been committed... but if it's a computer-related crime, the probability goes up.)

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    2. Re:Wrong by number11 · · Score: 5, Informative

      at least one case where the FBI insured that an innocent man was convicted of murder and sent to prison in order to protect their own informant.

      What case was that?


      Joseph Salvati ABC News

      A quick google turns up other probable cases.

      And it's not going to change until someone gets the guts to start bringing charges against cops and prosecutors who knowingly use false information, or withhold information.

  15. Digital Camera Manufacturers have thought of this by glaqua · · Score: 5, Informative
    Canon has a kit called "DVK-E1" that goes along with their EOS 1Ds camera, that they say is 'Available to verify that EOS 1Ds image files are absolutely unaltered". They have done this specifically for use in law enforcement. The details are buried in a Flash presentation. You can follow this link to find the details.

    So technology has answered, its back in the hands of law enforcement to present their case properly.

  16. partial answers to issues raisedin articles by mrhandstand · · Score: 4, Insightful
    changelogs

    modify ONLY copies

    originals all go onto read-only media

    checksum religiously


    WRITE GOOD POLICY for maintaining digital evidence...and post it before you start using digital media. Review it once a year, or more often to revise for unforeseen issues. Educate your detectives, and your Asst. DA's.

    Rinse, later, repeat.

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  17. Not a worry.. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work in the field, I create and deploy records management systems for police.

    There's always an auditable chain of custody with all eveidence, digitally the product i use accomplishes it with encryptions and checksums. If an officer takes a pic out to alter it (they have to crop/lighten/darken mugshots so they look consistent for use in a lineup), his actions are logged, and a copy of the original is always kept. Just like checking stuff in and out of any CVS.

    There are some digicams out there specially designed for the task which create special checksums and hashes to prove, mathematically that the image on a disk is the same one the camera took.

    This is all tied to the officer who took the picture and entered it into the system, and ultimately would be held accountable for it.

    If needed, I could be called on to swear an affidavid that the file hadn't been altered since taken/entered.

    Now, for the most part, the agencies I've dealt with only use digital imagine for mugshots, and a few take digital shots of traffic accidents. But more and more are expanding the use of technology. 911 calls, and police radio chatter, being encoded to mp3 and permanently attached to the case file, stills from dashboard cameras, crime scene photos.

    Frankly, you can prove mathematically with some simple tech these days that not even a single pixel in a digital photograph had been altered. It'd much easier to fake an old-fashioned analog photograph.

    Of course, sleazy lawyers will wow clueless jury members with how easy it is to change things in photoshop, which they'll understand. And those jury members will be asleep when the mathemetician demonstrates that there's only a 1 in 400 kajillion chance of altering time image without changing the checksums...

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  18. Market opportunity... by BigBadBri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I see an opportunity of an enterprising digital camera manufacturer here - Sony already do a DV camera that records to DVD - adding some tagging information (GPS coordinates + date/time + operators security code) to each image should be feasible, and given that one PD was saving $6000 per month in Polaroid costs, I'd have thought that even at $10K per throw, a high quality camera could be produced that would provide adequate traceability of the images taken.

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  19. Precedent Set by Common Sense? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think anyone who knows ANYTHING about computers would tell you that there is no guarantee of security or stability.

    Lawmakers should take this into account and require the prosecution or plaintiff show beyond a reasonable doubt that the data can in fact be reasonably trusted and has not been handled by an untrusted or malicious party.

    Overall, this question raises a lot of issues. But I feel the courts need to decide on a set of guidelines that can be used to assure the jury and the defense that the evidence presented to support accusations can in fact be trusted.
    Because who's to say an overzaelous prosecuter didn't hire someone to "put" something on the suspect HD?

    But even then the courts might have a hard time ahead. Already we've seen cases that raise this question in which there can be no "safe-guard" and in fact the defense relies upon the exploitablity of software. This was demonstrated in the kiddie porn trial in the UK in which the defendant got aquitted because his lawyers successfully argued that a virus planted the porn on his PC.

    Ulitmately, it is double-sided issues such as this that are leading us down the path of Microsofts Secure Computing initiative. But that is a mission that is doomed from the start... history shows us that no matter how secure they make it, some one will break it.

  20. Witnesses by ParticleGirl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Witnesses credibility has been under debate for years. Witnesses can be influenced by suggestive questioning, their own backgrounds and prejudices, or the amount of sleep they have had on a given day. And how do you quantify or qualify that kind of tampering? Witness testimony has been used for millenia. No evidence is foolproof. The problem is 1. to know what kind of tampering can be done and be aware and wary of it and 2. to get the trust of the public in that type of evidence so it can be admitted, falible or not.

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  21. Chain of Evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, law enforcement officers are required to maintain strict control and tracking of evidence now ("Chain of Evidence") to try and prove the evidence has not been tampered with. The mutability of digital records adds extra considerations, in some cases.

    One way of hardening the chain is to burn the digital record onto a CD-R, with a least two witnesses and recording the serial number of the CD-R onto the evidence log.

  22. How ironic... by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that CNN is publishing this story; back in the late 1990s, they stole a frame from one of my computer generated animations of a pulsating star, and put it in a story on their website. They tweaked the colourmap a little, but apart from that the image is identical to my original animations.

    They even had the gall to claim the copyright for themselves. Bastards.

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  23. Also, "ownership" of events by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've already seen a few kiddie-porn cases in Great Britain thrown out because the machines had been compromised, thus making it impossible to conclusively prove that the individual arrested was responsible for the crime.

    But this points up a scary possibility, one which has already been hinted at in various places, which is that there's no robust trace of events. Once there's a backdoor in your system, there are a lot of things that can happen:

    - secrets can be observed.
    - "evidence" can be planted.
    - activities can be spoofed.

    Say you live under a repressive government, and somehow offend someone with 'l33t h@x0r skillz. You may find, for example, that you published a series of articles critical of the leadership. Yup, it came from your personalized copy of Word, and was sent from your IP address. If they've planted a keylogger, it could even be digitally signed with your PGP key. In a less oppressive environment, you might discover that you just mailed a collection of kiddie porn to the FBI.

    Now the person screwing you could be some vicious script kiddie, but there's also the potential for abuse in the political world. Like the case in Malaysia, where an opposition leader was tarred with a faked sex scandal, political operatives can be neutralized by opponents through these means (please don't let Karl Rove read this posting!).

    Scary stuff...

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  24. Your honor by mustangsal66 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would like to subimt this photo into evidence. It clearly shows Bert and Ernie as the true culprits behind this heinous act!

    If the image don't fit you must acquit.

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  25. veripic by caliento · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you are interested in verifying images I'd check out veripic. I don't know all the details behind it, but it seems like they are able to tell if the image has been modifed. From what I remember, the requirement is that you have to specify which digital camera it was taken with.

    http://www.veripic.com/certified

    My guess on how they do it would be by checking how the image was encoded? any ideas?

  26. Re:Digital sound evicence by djh101010 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you think digital photos are easily tampered with, think about how easy it is to tamper with a WAV file. "I did not do it," can become "I did do it" with the flip of wrist.

    And yet, with a simple md5 checksum or any other of dozens of other techniques, such a change is impossible to make undetectable. The chain of evidence would need to show that at time of recording the md5 checksum of the file was 258c2891488526d239077559ae4fabab, and that the md5 checksum of the current file is still the same. Show the chain is intact, you've got that part of it covered. Get some mathematician to explain to the sheep of the jury that these are better odds than DNA, hell, call it "Digital Fingerprint" or something, and get on with the case.

    Demonstrate this, since they won't get it from the math guy, by taking an image, changing a single pixel, and recalculating the checksum showing that it changes entirely. Don't _tell_ them, _show_ them that if you change the digital information, the "Digital Fingerprint" changes drastically.

  27. four words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (referring to the parent post, not the grandparent): b b witch hunt.

    ok, so the FBI raids someone's PC on suspicion of kiddie porn. Now, the PC has been out of the hands of the suspect. What's to stop the FBI from planting kiddie porn on the hard drive? And will it, in the end, even be neccessary to find porn on the hard drive? Links might be enough (links that might have resulted from IE's insecurities, for example?) ... after all, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    I truly despise child pornographers, but are we heading for a police state in the name of anti-terrorism and anti-kiddie porn?

    Maybe DRM actually makes sense in this context. I would rather be unable to get porn at all than be prosecuted for planted porn. (the OS could be programmed to reject any files that have porno-like meta-data in their headers, or however DRM works). Granted, this solution would keep all porn (including "legal" porn) out, but it would solve the problem.

  28. Do you trust the system administrator? by MrNybbles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let's say someone breaks into the MegaCorp computer and causes billions of dollars in damage and causes a few powerplants to go off line in the East Coast of the US during a heatwave causing many people to die.

    Now let's say that the person who did this is found because he forgot to modify/erace the system logs and a criminal trial begins.

    Now let's also say he hires Jacky Childs as his lawyer who asks the system admins, under oath, if the system logs are nothing more than common text files. Then he asks if it is possible that any of the admins could log on and edit that text file log. Unless they got the logs being directed to a line printer an constantly printed out, Jacky Childs just found his reasonable doubt. Good luck with the civil suits!

    Seriously though, this could be a real problem one day soon.

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  29. photographic evidence.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was told by a lawyer to get photographic evidence , not in digital, or film but Instant film format.

    Jury's, and judges consider the instant developed photos of the instamatic camera are considered unalterable because of how they are made /developed.

    usually the oldest technology is the most accepted in the court of law.

  30. We sell software by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 3, Informative

    at BrightNoise Inc that works with IP based cameras and video "servers" to stream images and detect motion, alarms, etc in sensitive areas . One of the biggest concerns I have had is tampering with jpegs or avi files exported from these softwares. AFAIK none has been challenged in a court of law here in the states, but we have had several schools and companies use it as proof of guilt for thieving and extortion!! The approach Milestone took was to make it exceedingly difficult to tamper with the original recording but allow exports. I train users to immediatly remove the original drives or enter server when there is an event of serious enough magnitude, lets face it whats a few thousand dollars when your talking about firing someone or worse? Personally I would like to see water marks or some embedded checksum in the images.

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  31. The scary part... by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...original pictures of fingerprints and other evidence are encrypted so they can't be changed, and burned onto a CD, giving the lab the equivalent of a film negative to reference later.

    Um, yeah. Well, if they're encrypted, you either:

    • have the key and can change the image, or
    • don't have the key, and you can't see the image

    I think what he meant to say was checksummed and encrypted. While this does provide a reasonable degree of security against tampering, it in no way establishes that the pictures were real in the first place. It is a very trivial matter to write a CD today with a date of 01/01/1998.

    Yes, checksumming does provide a reasonable degree of security provided other safegaurds are taken. However, defeating this scheme is still too simple. Consider:

    • Murder takes place in 1998. Detective has a hunch that suspect X has done it, but can't prove it.
    • It's 2004 - suspect X is arrested on an unrelated charge, and fingerprinted.
    • Said detective takes pictures of X's fingerprints.
    • He then sets the clock on his PC back to 1998, a few days after the murder.
    • Then he downloads the fingerprints he's just photographed to the machine, and burns the photos to CD. When he's done, he sets the PC's date back to the current date.
    • Said detective files the freshly minted CD in the 1998 storage locker.
    A few days later, the detective suggests to his subordinate that he run X's fingerprints against the crime-scene database. Lo and behold! - suspect X's fingerprints match those found at the crime scene!

    Tell me I'm more secure now. Evidence fakery has been around since mankind learned to lie. The digital age just makes it more convenient.

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  32. DOJ likes DD for Drive imaging by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    NIST has a test spec for drive imaging software for forensic use.

    http://www.cftt.nist.gov/documents/Atlanta.pdf

    They have been testing a bunch of programs, and so far dd on Free BSD has performed best:

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/203095.htm

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  33. Re:Do you know nothing about Technology? by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The media could always be replaced though, if someone had access to the device it was contianed within. Of course, some sort of tamper detection could be inscluded within the device itself. Since it would all come down to cost however, I beleive it would be extremely unlikely that any of these ideas ever get put into practice. Manufactures wouldnt take part unless required by law. The best solution would be to require a 3rd party observer (or someone representing the defence if possible) wheneever digital evidence is recorded.