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Microsoft Brings Security Holes to the Mac

eMilkshake writes "There is an MS security bulletin that reads, in part, 'A security vulnerability exists ... because of the method by which Virtual PC for Mac creates a temporary file when you run Virtual PC for Mac. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability by inserting malicious code into the file which could cause the code to be run with system privileges. This could give the attacker complete control over the system.' Guess VirtualPC really brings the Windows experience to the Mac!" An update is available from the Microsoft site. On the flip side: sking writes "Australian IT reports on Microsoft's continuing development for the Mac: 'I just want to thank Apple for providing all those great innovative technologies that let us do what we love best: creating great applications,' gushed head of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit Roz Ho."

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  1. Unit Roz Ho? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unit Roz Ho? What is this, Frank Zappa's lost daughter?

    1. Re:Unit Roz Ho? by MinutiaeMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, as I understand it, all Microsoft did with VirtualPC 6 was re-brand it as a MS product and increase the version number by .1. Therefore, any and all bugs in any release before the upcoming VPC 7 are really Connectix's fault, not Microsoft.

      (Yeah, I wish I could blame these bugs on M$, too... but it's not really fair in this case.)

  2. Only a matter of time by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only a matter of time before the Mac virus checker software flags and removes Virtual PC as a trojan.

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    1. Re:Only a matter of time by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a Mac virus checker?

      Why?

      Ohhhh, Microsoft products. Right, gotcha.

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    2. Re:Only a matter of time by Go+Aptran · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Probably to prevent a Mac user from passing along a Windows virus to a friend who owns PC, by forwarding an infected email.

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    3. Re:Only a matter of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because Apple licensed .NET and VBScript for compatibility with said viruses and worms, of course.

    4. Re:Only a matter of time by Go+Aptran · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Ah...but in a business setting, you don't want to have Macs that are capable of passing along a virus or worm to your clients who might be running a PC. It looks very unprofessional.

      Additionally, it might be easier to make the case for getting a Mac into a Windows office if you can point at the existence of current Anti-Virus software... at it makes the suits less nervous.

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    5. Re:Only a matter of time by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Please send attachment to all Windows users in yuor addressbook. Thank you."

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  3. Its about time by MarkGriz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our malicious code inserting overlords.

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  4. Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Microsoft did was bring their huge audience to a security update for Connectix's tiny little program, VirtualPC. How much input do we really think that Microsoft had on this latest release of VirtualPC? Don't you really think that it was probably horked by the same programmers that would have horked it at the previous developer?

    So, someone found the hole. Microsoft released the patch information to every person subscribed to their security lists. That's a lot of weenies. For all we know, if VPC hadn't become an MS product, the vulnerability would still be there, and *no* *one* would have heard about it, including the developers.

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    1. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Funny

      The second I posted it, I realized it would have been funnier if I said "Whoever picked this title is a horse's ass" and left it up to everyone to decide which title...

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    2. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by MoneyT · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actualy thete's a very good chance the security hole would have been found because according to the tech document, the hole wasn't found by MS, it was found by one of the guys at @stake.

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    3. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was pretty sure they bought the whole company. And I was also pretty sure I'd heard the Connectix project managers posting about looking forward to working with their new overlords.

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    4. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's an program that emulates a PC on Mac OS X. You can run any version of Windows or Linux on it. It's not particularly fast. I don't think it runs on G5s.

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    5. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by mbbac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It really shows how well Microsoft's focus on security is working. I guess if they really cared they would have done a security audit on any acquired products before releasing a new verison under their name.

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    6. Re:Whoever picked that title is a horse's ass. by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's not particularly fast.

      I've been using it to hack on Access (ick!) at home, and after upgrading to 6.0.1 and then disabling all of XP's eye candy, it's surprisingly responsive on my lowly 533mhz G4. Using Codetek's software to give it it's own desktop and an extra key on my snazzy Logitech keyboard to trigger said desktop, it's like having a 300mhz PC on a KVM switch.

      I don't think it runs on G5s.

      Oh, how I wish that were a problem.
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  5. Risks from Autolauching Emulators by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've had a couple of occassions where Soft Windows decided it needed to launch in response to some web feature or a PC file. I've never had an infection via this route, but it seems that it is possible that double-clicking on a malware .exe file on a Macintosh could lead the Mac to attempt to invoke a Windows emulator and thus infect the emulator. Perhaps this is the Mac's way of corrupting and killing the Window's emulator ;)

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  6. Re:Mac virus checker? by hawaiian717 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Norton AntiVirus is still around on the Mac, it is currently at version 9. Network Associates/McAfee also puts out Virex. Apple actually includes Virex as part of a .Mac subscription.

    Looking at the virus definitions, it looks like most of the signatures are for Windows viruses. There are the old Mac and HyperCard viruses that it keeps a look out for as well.

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  7. VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by Spencerian · · Score: 5, Informative

    Virtual PC emulates the hardware of an actual PC, complete with a video card, Ethernet NIC, a P2 processor, sound card, COM ports, and USB. This allows VPC to run practically any OS (except the old BeOS).

    Because of this, folks, VPC has always been subceptible to malware attacks, particularly in Windows. If you can infect a real PC running Windows, then VPC running the same OS configurution is just as vunerable. Running Linux? Yep, you can get rooted if you don't configure it as you would any other box.

    This new security update isn't very special in itself--it's perhaps that MS detected the vunerability better because it has access to the VPC source since they own the product now. A good question is whether the vunerability is in the virtual machine code or something that makes VPC more vunerable only in an environment running Windows.

    The good news is that infections will only compromise the PC environment(s) in use. The Mac that is running VPC cannot be touched as it is effectively an invisible party to the VPC environments, nor can the Mac be used as a carrier as you can with some e-mail worms.

    Not to say that someone might not try to exploit VPC's ability to use USB devices or its networking processes it shares with a Mac, or options such as shared folders (where a Mac folder is shared to Windows as if it were a networked folder).

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    1. Re:VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by kinnell · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The good news is that infections will only compromise the PC environment(s) in use. The Mac that is running VPC cannot be touched as it is effectively an invisible party to the VPC environments

      Are you sure? The alert seems to imply that it can gain root access to the underlying system, not just the VPC environment.

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    2. Re:VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by sld126 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, this security problem gives escalated privileges to the user of VPC. But, in general, you can use VPC as a great test for virus infections, security holes, etc. You can save and duplicate a clean setup, beat up on the dupe and replace it with a new dupe. Very handy for testing.

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    3. Re:VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by Spencerian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While MS might say so, I wonder a single UNIX application such as VPC could cause such a compromise to OS X. The only way I could think of a vunerability being effective is if VPC could relay instructions to OS X, and if OS X has an administrator account running, where a chance exists that root could be activated.

      I think MS wants to be overreactive to the possibilities, rather than underestimate the potential, low as they may be.

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    4. Re:VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by am+2k · · Score: 4, Informative

      VPC runs partly as root, for the virtual switch feature. It actually asks for the administrator password on first launch.

    5. Re:VPC Vunerabilities Aren't New by vmunix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, VPC actually needs to run as root so it can alter firewall rules for networking in the Guest OS.

      Although its a file permission issue and most users run vpc on standalone systems. It does allow priv escalation to root. I think the biggest danger would be in a lab environment where VPC has been installed...

  8. -1, Wrong by BandwidthHog · · Score: 5, Informative

    The hole exists in previous versions of VPC. MS is, somewhat unsuprisingly, only releasing a patch for recent versions.

    Connectix released versions 6.0, 6.0.1 and 6.0.2, and I believe the first MS release was 6.1. Yesterday's MS patches are from 6.0 forward.

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  9. I fail to see... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Informative
    any feature that would entice me to upgrade from the last version Connectix kicked out.

    AFAIK, (and IIRC) the first release of VPC from MS contained a spash screen change and made all previous disk images obsolete. You have to convert them to the 'new' MS style, and then they are unreadable by previous versions.

    It has been awhile, but I think that was one of the reasons I stopped upgrading. If MS 'fixes' the BeOS keyboard issue (any keypress freezes the machine), I may reconsider, but beyond that - why should I encourage MS's poor behavior in business and coding?

    VPC under MS is supposed to be faster (21%), but whatever. I don't think the connectix version had this issue. That said, this security issue looks to be rather difficult to implement..so maybe this is a non-issue and FUD.

  10. Balmer: EmulationEmulationEmulationEmulation!! by MasonMcD · · Score: 4, Funny

    Emulated OS on emulated hardware gets emulated virus. Emulated virus-checker emulates removal.

    Users emulate customer satisfaction - give emulated kudos to emulated customer-centric software company.

    1. Re:Balmer: EmulationEmulationEmulationEmulation!! by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am now emulating a mod of "+1: Emu-Funny"

  11. Re:If the OS was secure, by JMZorko · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are APIs (in *nix and Win32) that allow a program to run as any user, but the user's information must be known to do this i.e. username, password, etc. Anyone can write a third-party app to do this, and it doesn't mean the OS is insecure.

    What we mean by "insecurity" here is being able to run code as a particular user _without_ having to know that user's info i.e. stack trashing, buffer overruns, or taking advantage of an error in another program (i.e. VPC) to do your nasty stuff.

    Another case in point -- running a dictionary attack against a host to find out names / passwords does not mean the OS the host is running is insecure, even if the attack succeeds. It means the _host_ is not secure. If I use standard dictionary words for username and password of my root (or any other) account on my Linux box, and someone does a dictionary attack and finds them out, it's not Linux's fault -- it's mine.

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  12. It really is about time by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    All kidding aside, insecurity is the one feature of Windows where the MacOS lags significantly.

  13. VPC vs. Terminal Server by pvera · · Score: 3, Informative

    I program asp from OS X. There are only two things I cannot do with the mac itself:

    1. Manage the SQL Servers we use
    2. Manage the IIS Servers.

    There are ODBC drivers for OSX but they cost a bundle, and there is nothing available to manage IIS from OSX. That leaves me four choices:

    1. Tie up one of our scarce PCs (all our workstations are mac, windows is only used on a couple servers) just to manage IIS and SQL Server. That means spending precious time just keeping the machine patched just to do these two things. Plus it would take desk space (and my mac is a Powerbook, so I am used to have a relatively clean desk).

    2. Walk to the windows servers any time I need to do something. Totally unpractical.

    3. Use Terminal Server, since Microsoft provides a free Remote Desktop client. This works perfectly but it does not allow me to drag and drop between the terminal server session and my desktop.

    4. Use VPC with 2000 Pro or XP Pro. This means I still have to spend a lot of time keeping windows patched properly, and it takes a lot more CPU power than a terminal services session. The only advantage here is I would get drag and drop.

    I tried the VPC route for a while. On a Titanium Powerbook 867 it pretty bearable on Windows 2000 if I reserve 256MB ram for it. On XP Pro it is pretty much unusable unless I give it 384MB or more, which is not acceptable since that gives me 768MB ram for everything else.

    Terminal Server is my only choice now, so instead of drag and drop I am stuck using samba shares, which would only work inside of the firewall and whenever I need to work away from the office I have to use ftp. Clumsy but gets the job done. If I was able to use drag and drop with Terminal Server it would totally rock. Patching the TS itself is not an issue since it is already being done, it would not mean extra work for me.

    I kept VPC for a while rationalizing that I would not always have TS available, but then I realized that was just stupid since the server I would be managing *had* to be online and it is always setup in admin mode (with admin mode you cannot use it as an applications server, so TS is only used to manage the box).

    As it is right now I have no interest in moving along with VPC, and all my peers that have faced the same dilemma agree.

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