Um, if you _really_ read TFA, you would have seen this other "gem" further down, posted by the same user who posted the NAV comment:
"Okay,I am a Time Warner customer as well. So I decided to restore my previous setting and iTunes is still working fine now. Do disregard my last entry. This appears to be ISP related."
"...but the administration tools, graphics libraries, development tools, primary scripting language, and user interface are entirely proprietary."
???
Um, gcc is proprietary? LDAP is proprietary? gdb is proprietary? Apache is proprietary? Yes, XCode isn't open-source, but anyone can write Mac apps with just gcc / gdb and a bash shell. Regarding Netinfo and stuff, that's open-source as well. Aqua and AppleScript are not open-soure, true, but you don't have to use them (as if using them somehow makes you "unpure" or something -- whatever); just run X and X apps, treat your Mac as a BSD machine.... and ObjC is _not_ proprietary, either. gcc has been complining ObjC for years now.
"Accessing the content while blocking the ads, therefore would be no less than stealing."... and other statements that adopt a very polarizing / extremist ideal, really upset me. What am I stealing, their opportunity to display their message to me? If this is the case, then if i'm driving along 80 or 101 and I put down my passenger visor in order to block out those irritating way-too-bright huge plasma billboards, am I "stealing" as well? I can see it now -- advertising companies sue automakers for allowing an ad-blocker in my car...
When society finally moves past this silly "god" idea, as it has with a lot of other silly superstitions, we will all be _so_ much better off. I really don't mean this in a disrespectful way (i'm perfectly willing to be your friend, even if we disagree on the "god" thing, and I can respect people for a lot of reasons, even if we differ on matters of religion), but it's really what I think / feel. It's done waaaaay too much harm, and the sooner we jettison it, the better.
Regards,
John, your friendly neighborhood happy-go-lucky heathen godless atheist:-)
I bought a 4 (or maybe 6?) CD set of numbers stations recordings several years ago, call The Conet Project. Since i'm big into experimental music, the idea intrigued me. While some of the recordings were downright spooky and disturbing (not necessarily a bad thing), I found it mostly to be soothing in a weird way (though after listening to 2 or 3 CDs of these recordings non-stop, it started getting a bit... too weird).
We're winning the war in Iraq? Really? How can you tell? What is your metric for this?
Tax cuts aren't hurting America? While some tax cuts can indeed help, too many can dampen the economy -- not now, but for our children and their children. _Someone_ is going to have to pay back all of this money we're borrowing to finance the war we're supposedly "winning". Will it be you or I, or will it be our sons and daughters? Tax cuts also mean less money for schools and education in general, less money for student loans to aid those seeking an education (assuming there is still a system able to provide it), less money for hospitals, fire and police departments, parks, etc.
I wholeheartedly believe in personal responsibility, but we also need to be responsible to our progeny for the world we're going to leave them when it's their turn to guide it. Will they look back at what we've done, at the world we had as compared to the world they have, and will they be happy about it?
You use email for _everything_? Do you not have a phone #?
There are a lot of people in the world who could use the info you provided to get further info about you for nefarious purposes (perhaps to steal your identity, perhaps much more diabolocal still). Privacy works both ways, so it's really something to be taken very seriously, something this administration does not do (actions speak much louder than words).
Also, perhaps you could leave your front door open with a big invitation for anyone and everyone to come in, go through your home, look inside your closets, read your bank statements, get account and routing numbers for all of your bank accounts, PINs, names and addresses of all of your relatives and friends, etc. Since you've committed no crime and have nothing to hide, you should have no reason to be hesitant at all in providing this info to whomever asks for it. Oh, you say they have no business doing that, or asking for that?
... all those _registers_ make me salivate! One of the coolest things about the RCA1802 (the processor I learned on) compared to others in its' time was that it had _loads_ of registers when compared to a 6502 or 8085. It spoiled me, though... when I started exploring those other CPUs, I always thought "Huh? Where are all of the registers?"
So yes, I want a Cell-based devkit now, 'cuz this sounds like _fun_:-)
Why, in the Great Siege Of San Francisco, October 2005, I, a reasonable-intelligent-but-far-more-delusional person, defeated the vast mongrel hoardes anchored off of the coast of Pacifica, with nothing but a piece of string, a breath mint, and my unbending will.
... but if it's going to hurt now, won't it hurt even _more_ later? These sorts of arguments don't make sense to me. If changes need to be made, better to make them _sooner_ and minimize the headaches, then make them _later_ and have to deal with even more pain. Anyone who has done software engineering knows that it's easier to refactor earlier than later.
So, congrats to MA for attempting to refactor, and boo / hiss to MS for trying to stop it.
Slow down, man! With the wind in your face and the music thump-thumpin' from the new iPod, not to mention the looks of the iPod itself, you might get in an accident:-)
Agreed. Be thee liberal, conservative, or somewhere in between, this justice performed his duties to the best of his ability, to the very, very end. That shows a certain passion, a certain true belief in what you're doing.
... because, as cool as OSX is (I actually really like it, and I have a 12" PB 1.5ghz running it, as well as a dual 1.25ghz PM G4 MDD), some things need Linux:
1. AIO (I don't know about Tiger, but Panther only does AIO on file-based FDs, not FDs based on pipes or sockets -- if you don't believe me, check out the XNU kernel source and see for yourself by grepping for ESPIPE) -- some apps need this ability.
2. The Linux toolchain is the same on PPC and x86. ld is ld is ld, gcc is gcc is gcc, elf is elf. Plus, Linux works on embedded devices (which is one nice thing about the Mac mini -- it's a cheap PPC embedded development platform) while OSX does not yet.
Well, actually, the AIO on Panther is _not_ complete -- take a look at the XNU source, in kern_aio.h, and you'll see that AIO only works if the FD in the AIO control block points to a _real_ file e.g. not a socket or pipe. ESPIPE is returned if this check fails. Other *nixes allow AIO on non-file FDs.
However, I really love OSX, and I am hopeful that Tiger will eventually allow this.
"Completely unsavory" is simply not true. RPM != Linux.
There are many ways to install apps on Linux and *nix boxes, and many of them are far better than the venerable RPM. Try apt or dselect (or fink on Mac OSX) -- they don't have the dependency problems you mention. They will determine what is needed for a particular package to install, and determine what is needed for _those_, all the way down, and install them all. Really -- implying that RPM is the only way to install apps on Linux isn't all that different from implying that the only way to install apps on Windows is to type in the source code yourself and hope it compiles. In other words, both are clearly and obviously false.
The issue, at least as I understand it, with the OEMs-replacing-things-as-they-see-fit idea, is that MS frowned on that sort of behavior (as evidenced by the testimony many witnesses who took the stand during the US antitrust trial).
Well, when you release your app, you release more than just "your" app... on Windows, there are redistributable components that you should probably include in your release. These are detailed on MSDN, if you look hard enough.
What i'm trying to say is that it would be wise not to assume a component you need is already on the Windows box. This is why you either link statically with the C runtime, or redistribute the MSVCRT* stuff with your app. The same goes for media applications -- if you depend on WMVCORE.DLL, for instance, make sure you also ship the MS redistributable WMVCORE installer. This is just common sense if you're targeting Windows (esp. different versions). Nothing has changed.
Oh, do I hear you loud and clear. Though i've not had that issue in awhile, I used to have it quite often on a certain 900mhz G3 iBook I had. The "geniuses" at the Valley Fair Apple Store in San Jose were... less than helpful.
"That piece is supposed to be there. It's not our fault."
"But it's in the latch, and it moves around when I tilt the iBook, and it looks like someone got sloppy with a glue gun, and it was there when I bought it at this store 3 days ago."
... and:
"You're a developer? Then you did something wrong, it's not our fault!"
"But the devtools aren't even on this machine."
... and another one:
"You used non-Apple RAM? Then it's a RAM problem, not our fault!"
"But I removed the RAM from the machine and it still exhibits the behavior."
... and the best one:
"OK, I can't help you unless I see the problem happen. Why don't you sit over there and see if you can reproduce it?" * John opens and closes iBook repeatedly, and after about 10 minutes, reproduces the problem and whistles for the "genius" * "Huh? I didn't see what you did!"
And then they wouldn't take the iBook back without me paying the restocking fee, even though I displayed the problem to them before the 10 day limitation period (on day 3, specifically and every other day until day 12). I like Apple's products, but I will never purchase from that store again.
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Um, if you _really_ read TFA, you would have seen this other "gem" further down, posted by the same user who posted the NAV comment:
:-)
"Okay,I am a Time Warner customer as well. So I decided to restore my previous setting and iTunes is still working fine now. Do disregard my last entry. This appears to be ISP related."
Funny, that
Regards,
John
http://gcc.gnu.org/
Regards,
John
"...but the administration tools, graphics libraries, development tools, primary scripting language, and user interface are entirely proprietary."
... and ObjC is _not_ proprietary, either. gcc has been complining ObjC for years now.
???
Um, gcc is proprietary? LDAP is proprietary? gdb is proprietary? Apache is proprietary? Yes, XCode isn't open-source, but anyone can write Mac apps with just gcc / gdb and a bash shell. Regarding Netinfo and stuff, that's open-source as well. Aqua and AppleScript are not open-soure, true, but you don't have to use them (as if using them somehow makes you "unpure" or something -- whatever); just run X and X apps, treat your Mac as a BSD machine.
Regards,
John
Grr. Statements like this:
... and other statements that adopt a very polarizing / extremist ideal, really upset me. What am I stealing, their opportunity to display their message to me? If this is the case, then if i'm driving along 80 or 101 and I put down my passenger visor in order to block out those irritating way-too-bright huge plasma billboards, am I "stealing" as well? I can see it now -- advertising companies sue automakers for allowing an ad-blocker in my car ...
"Accessing the content while blocking the ads, therefore would be no less than stealing."
Regards,
John
* sigh *
When society finally moves past this silly "god" idea, as it has with a lot of other silly superstitions, we will all be _so_ much better off. I really don't mean this in a disrespectful way (i'm perfectly willing to be your friend, even if we disagree on the "god" thing, and I can respect people for a lot of reasons, even if we differ on matters of religion), but it's really what I think / feel. It's done waaaaay too much harm, and the sooner we jettison it, the better.
Regards,
John, your friendly neighborhood happy-go-lucky heathen godless atheist
http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html
Regards,
John
Regards,
John
I bought a 4 (or maybe 6?) CD set of numbers stations recordings several years ago, call The Conet Project. Since i'm big into experimental music, the idea intrigued me. While some of the recordings were downright spooky and disturbing (not necessarily a bad thing), I found it mostly to be soothing in a weird way (though after listening to 2 or 3 CDs of these recordings non-stop, it started getting a bit ... too weird).
Regards,
John
Dr. Kool
We're winning the war in Iraq? Really? How can you tell? What is your metric for this?
Tax cuts aren't hurting America? While some tax cuts can indeed help, too many can dampen the economy -- not now, but for our children and their children. _Someone_ is going to have to pay back all of this money we're borrowing to finance the war we're supposedly "winning". Will it be you or I, or will it be our sons and daughters? Tax cuts also mean less money for schools and education in general, less money for student loans to aid those seeking an education (assuming there is still a system able to provide it), less money for hospitals, fire and police departments, parks, etc.
I wholeheartedly believe in personal responsibility, but we also need to be responsible to our progeny for the world we're going to leave them when it's their turn to guide it. Will they look back at what we've done, at the world we had as compared to the world they have, and will they be happy about it?
Regards,
John
Sheyenne,
You use email for _everything_? Do you not have a phone #?
There are a lot of people in the world who could use the info you provided to get further info about you for nefarious purposes (perhaps to steal your identity, perhaps much more diabolocal still). Privacy works both ways, so it's really something to be taken very seriously, something this administration does not do (actions speak much louder than words).
Also, perhaps you could leave your front door open with a big invitation for anyone and everyone to come in, go through your home, look inside your closets, read your bank statements, get account and routing numbers for all of your bank accounts, PINs, names and addresses of all of your relatives and friends, etc. Since you've committed no crime and have nothing to hide, you should have no reason to be hesitant at all in providing this info to whomever asks for it. Oh, you say they have no business doing that, or asking for that?
_Exactly_.
Regards,
John
Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound http://www.fallingyou.com/
Regards,
John, whose first computer was an RCA COSMAC VIP (1802, 2K RAM)
... who did the same sort of thing -- well, sorta :-)
Regards
John
So yes, I want a Cell-based devkit now, 'cuz this sounds like _fun_ :-)
Regards,
John
Why, in the Great Siege Of San Francisco, October 2005, I, a reasonable-intelligent-but-far-more-delusional person, defeated the vast mongrel hoardes anchored off of the coast of Pacifica, with nothing but a piece of string, a breath mint, and my unbending will.
Regards,
John
So, congrats to MA for attempting to refactor, and boo / hiss to MS for trying to stop it.
Regards,
John
Slow down, man! With the wind in your face and the music thump-thumpin' from the new iPod, not to mention the looks of the iPod itself, you might get in an accident :-)
Regards,
John
Agreed. Be thee liberal, conservative, or somewhere in between, this justice performed his duties to the best of his ability, to the very, very end. That shows a certain passion, a certain true belief in what you're doing.
Regards,
John
Oh, wait ...
Regards,
John
1. AIO (I don't know about Tiger, but Panther only does AIO on file-based FDs, not FDs based on pipes or sockets -- if you don't believe me, check out the XNU kernel source and see for yourself by grepping for ESPIPE) -- some apps need this ability.
2. The Linux toolchain is the same on PPC and x86. ld is ld is ld, gcc is gcc is gcc, elf is elf. Plus, Linux works on embedded devices (which is one nice thing about the Mac mini -- it's a cheap PPC embedded development platform) while OSX does not yet.
Regards,
John
Well, actually, the AIO on Panther is _not_ complete -- take a look at the XNU source, in kern_aio.h, and you'll see that AIO only works if the FD in the AIO control block points to a _real_ file e.g. not a socket or pipe. ESPIPE is returned if this check fails. Other *nixes allow AIO on non-file FDs.
However, I really love OSX, and I am hopeful that Tiger will eventually allow this.
Regards,
John
first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win
Regards,
John
Regards,
John
There are many ways to install apps on Linux and *nix boxes, and many of them are far better than the venerable RPM. Try apt or dselect (or fink on Mac OSX) -- they don't have the dependency problems you mention. They will determine what is needed for a particular package to install, and determine what is needed for _those_, all the way down, and install them all. Really -- implying that RPM is the only way to install apps on Linux isn't all that different from implying that the only way to install apps on Windows is to type in the source code yourself and hope it compiles. In other words, both are clearly and obviously false.
The issue, at least as I understand it, with the OEMs-replacing-things-as-they-see-fit idea, is that MS frowned on that sort of behavior (as evidenced by the testimony many witnesses who took the stand during the US antitrust trial).
Regards,
John
Well, when you release your app, you release more than just "your" app ... on Windows, there are redistributable components that you should probably include in your release. These are detailed on MSDN, if you look hard enough.
What i'm trying to say is that it would be wise not to assume a component you need is already on the Windows box. This is why you either link statically with the C runtime, or redistribute the MSVCRT* stuff with your app. The same goes for media applications -- if you depend on WMVCORE.DLL, for instance, make sure you also ship the MS redistributable WMVCORE installer. This is just common sense if you're targeting Windows (esp. different versions). Nothing has changed.
Regards,
John
Oh, do I hear you loud and clear. Though i've not had that issue in awhile, I used to have it quite often on a certain 900mhz G3 iBook I had. The "geniuses" at the Valley Fair Apple Store in San Jose were ... less than helpful.
"That piece is supposed to be there. It's not our fault."
"But it's in the latch, and it moves around when I tilt the iBook, and it looks like someone got sloppy with a glue gun, and it was there when I bought it at this store 3 days ago."
"You're a developer? Then you did something wrong, it's not our fault!"
"But the devtools aren't even on this machine."
"You used non-Apple RAM? Then it's a RAM problem, not our fault!"
"But I removed the RAM from the machine and it still exhibits the behavior."
"OK, I can't help you unless I see the problem happen. Why don't you sit over there and see if you can reproduce it?" * John opens and closes iBook repeatedly, and after about 10 minutes, reproduces the problem and whistles for the "genius" * "Huh? I didn't see what you did!"
And then they wouldn't take the iBook back without me paying the restocking fee, even though I displayed the problem to them before the 10 day limitation period (on day 3, specifically and every other day until day 12). I like Apple's products, but I will never purchase from that store again.
Regards,
John