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RFID Tags For The Rich

Greedo writes "While reading this piece about designing 'experiences' in the Globe and Mail, I came across this interesting tidbit: If you're a frequent Prada shopper (and who on /. isn't?), the loyalty card in your wallet or purse contains a RFID tag that announces your arrival in the store. When you encounter a saleswoman, her handheld computer brings up your tastes, buying history, vital statistics and personalized suggestions from in-stock and coming inventory; the handhelds also place orders and book change rooms. Every item for sale bears an RFID tag. The RFID tags are courtesy of IDEO, and their website has a nice write-up of all the RFID-powered stuff at Prada, including the changeroom! I'm guessing this isn't coming to Wal*Mart's changerooms when they implement RFID. (Another write-up can be found here.)"

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  1. Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another attempt to add the personal touch to the cold world of business.

    I'm not trying to flamebait, just make an observation. The days of going to your friendly local are over, and now the store assistants don't even need to think or recognise, they simply wrap digital information in comforting words and give you a nice smile.

    1. Re:Hmm.... by alfredw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, if Prada is letting people know about this when they accept the cards, I'd say this is a good technology. Lets them better serve YOU, the customer.

      And if you don't like the idea of carrying around RFID tags, you're welcome to not carry the ENTIRELY OPTIONAL card. And the clothes? Well, Club Monaco (a Canadian clothing chain) already puts RFID tags in all of their higher-end merchandise. Clearly labelled "Please remove after purchase," I might add, which is good advice to anyone.

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    2. Re:Hmm.... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > Yet another attempt to add the personal touch to the cold world of business.

      Given the target demographic -- people who shop for status, rather than function -- this is a pretty clever idea. People who shop Prada probably do it for the ego-stroking they get from the sales staff as much as they do from the ego-stroking they get from their peers when they show off their new toy.

      I'll bet you that 90% of that target demographic actually thinks their salesdrone actually remembers them. Your typical vapid trophy wife is one thing, but think of all the trophy wives' grandmothers who also have to shop for status.

      "No, Antoine wouldn't be just reciting lines from a script being displayed to him from the cash register based on the RFID data from the loyalty card in my pocket, and stop talking in acronyms, you silly geek! He knew it was me, he even remembered my name and what I bought two years ago! My God, I must be so attractive to have made an impression on him like that!"

    3. Re:Hmm.... by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's just another way for these already high profit margin businesses to further increase their profits.

      The whole point of a very wealthy person going to these very expensive boutiques (other than paying $500 for a $20 item with a fancy name on it) is the personal touch. These places tend to have salesmen who know you by sight and can instantly tell what your interests are, how many kids you have, whatever. Often, they will be able to remember the conversation you were having last time you were in 6 months ago, and continue that conversation as if it was just yesterday.

      That sort of thing takes talent, and a great memory. People that can do this are highly sought after in the retail world. If their skills are replaced by a simple chip that tells the associate everything about you, then the stores can get by with hiring minimum wage McDonalds rejects instead, thereby decreasing their total labor costs. It will also cheapen the whole experience.

    4. Re:Hmm.... by son_of_asdf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If their skills are replaced by a simple chip that tells the associate everything about you, then the stores can get by with hiring minimum wage McDonalds rejects instead, thereby decreasing their total labor costs. It will also cheapen the whole experience.

      On the contrary, to even be able to function in a retail environment such as this, you have to have a certain gentility. Even if you had a client's life history in front of you to refer to, the sort of people that shop at places like Prada expect the salespeople to have a degree of breeding, taste, and poise. If you look at the makeup of the staffs of such places, or of very fine resturants, they tend to be the children of privileged families that, for one reason or another, are obliged to work for a living or are simply bored and want something to do. I spent many years as I went through college working in this area as a sommelier, and I can assure you that unless you can speak clear English, are well educated, and capable of speaking the peculiar high-context language of the upper class, the clients that frequent this sort of place and the people that run this sort of establishment would want nothing to do with you. Your average McDonalds worker would be hopeless in this case, regardless of the technological assistance give them.

      It would indeed cheapen the whole experience: It would put them out of business.

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  2. RFIDs don't kill... people kill by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people seem to think anything RFID has to be bad. This proves that doesn't have to be the case. These folks are open about the use of the RFIDs and they use it to provide real value to the customer. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

    Compare/contrast to Wal-Mart which isn't open about the use of RFIDs and doesn't give the customer anything of value when they're installed. Since the customer knows nothing about the RFIDs, they don't have real choice in whether they want "to participate" in potentially privacy invading information gathering. Prada, by being open about the tags, alows the customer to simply shop somewhere else if they don't like them.

    TW

    1. Re:RFIDs don't kill... people kill by signe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bravo on point 1. You're a little off on point 2.

      Wal-Mart is implementing RFIDs on incoming shipments, not individual products. The pallets being delievered will each have an RFID tag on them, so they can be automatically inventoried as they are delivered from the manufacturers/distributors, as they're moved around the warehouses, shipped to stores, etc. The individual products (what the customer buys) will not have RFID tags in them. So the only effect on the customer at all is the possibility of Wal-Mart dropping prices even more as their inventory process becomes more streamlined.

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  3. I've got to say... by shidoshi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...part of me says, who cares?

    Yes yes, I see the privacy concerns. But on the other hand, people in stores currently aren't exactly trying to remember who you are and what you like. If they have a palm whatever to give them a better understanding of your tastes, they can be far more helpful in less time.

    Getting past the personal buying history, however, those dressing rooms are certainly okay in my book. I like the idea of tags in the clothing displaying information on a screen, and come on... that "magic mirror" would make trying on clothing so much more enjoyable an experience. (At least, for those of us who actually care enough to put some effort in the way we dress.)

  4. Friendly local vs friendly global by lysium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The days of going to your friendly local are over

    The frequent Prada shopper does not just shop in one city. They will expect the same level of 'courteous' service in New York, Paris, Los Angeles, and perhaps Milan; these RFID tags will give it to them.

    It's not all that bad of an idea. I suspect that these shoppers will not be plagued with advertisements or other spam; they are rich, after all, and not the average dime-a-dozen consumer. The advertisers will be desperate not to offend them.

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  5. Nouveau rich vs. real rich by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the very wealthy send personal shoppers to stores and accept/reject the new clothing in their own homes.

    And that's for ready-to-wear. For tailored stuff (and who isn't rich and wearing custom tailored suits?), the tailor or his sizing rep comes to your house and measures you, shows fabric samples, and then comes back with finished clothes for final fitting.

    Actually going to a store and having to disrobe in a changing room, interact with other people and have strangers around you isn't what people with real money do. There may be some stores that are far from home or impractical for personal shoppers, so in that case, you pack up your entourage, rent a few suites at the Plaza and have stuff brought to your room.

    1. Re:Nouveau rich vs. real rich by zulux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the very wealthy send personal shoppers to stores and accept/reject the new clothing in their own homes.

      This is certainly true... but the're a class of rich people who wear crap like you and me.

      Bill Gates and Warren Bruffet wear horable clothing. I've seen nicer suits at the local Goodwill than those two wear.

      My version of personal shopper what lets me get clothing while still in my home: Logging into Sears.com and picking out some no-press shirts and slacks, the off to JCPenny.com for socks, and underware. Then REI.com for outdoor clothing and then to BrooksBrothers.com for a suit.

      All delivered to me in a week.

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  6. Re:I'm reminded... by son_of_asdf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As was I. All of the scenes from MR that showed advertisments blaring out to passerby, recommending personalized buying suggestions and hurling sales pitches pell mell filled me with horror. After the movie was over, I looked over at my wife and said, "When that happens, we're moving to a fucking log cabin on the Blue Ridge."

    Of course, said cabin would be complete with a cutting edge solar/microhydroelectric power system, sattelite Internet Access, etc. My wife is always mystified by the fact that I can peck away at my computers day in and day out, steeping myself in technology, but when it comes to commercial enterprise I run screaming from anything that threatens to invade my mental environment. I don't see any inconsistency there, but hey, YMMV.

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  7. It's not the RFID that unnerves me about this. by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We've got a few good shops in town where the employees are friendly and the owners have a shift behind the counter with everybody else. They don't need loyalty cards, because they know most of their customers by name and the working environment and pay are good enough that they aren't rotating workers every couple of weeks.

    The connection there is real. Now people aim to replace that with a wire in a piece of plastic, just as they're replacing living wage jobs with permatemp spots or part time people working close to full time schedules. If you think the negative part of this story is RFID, which is just brand new fuel for the paranoid that'll in actual practice do more to save money than invade privacy, think again; it's about subjugating another fulfilling business practice to a cookie-cutter scheme that anybody who can fog a mirror can perform.

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  8. Re:The Prada Defense by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem with that being if your CC on file is attached your VIP card, then anyone warshopping can sniff your ID and rebroadcast, grabbing up items and having them charged to your account.

    I'm all for more user personalization, this is really no different from what Amazon does, except in a brick-and-mortar. As long as I can remove the RFID tag when I get home I'm good to go.

  9. Re:I'm reminded... by scrytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > You don't hear people complaining when their waitress remembers what they like to drink...

    I would if she wrote it down and faxed it to every other store that paid her a buck for the info.

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  10. doesn't have to be isolated or small... by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you lived in a small, isolated, town, the shopkeepers there would know far more about you than these corporations will ever be able to milk from audit trails.

    Small, isolated? Try 1 block from downtown financial center. Not a high-end clothes shop, either. No sir- a deli.

    I started stopping there for a egg/bacon/cheese bagel, and on the second day- the woman looked at me and said "egg bacon cheese bagel, and an OJ, right?" Third day, i got a warm greeting and I knew she still remembered. This isn't a small place- it's directly across from South Station, and opposite One Financial Center. A lot of construction-guy types from the Big Dig and area renovation go there, as do limo drivers and local/state cops. The place is almost always bustling, and I've seen other customers get the same recognition.

    All of this just goes to show that if you want to be successful, it's all about establishing a relationship with the customer, and that's the job of the sales person. It can't be automated, because if the customer sniffs that- they suddenly realize they're just a sheep of hundreds and they're not impressed in the slightest beyond the gee-gaw gadgetry of it all.

    Who do you think will establish more long-term relationships at a high-end clothier- the salesperson with this palm thingy who does the in-person version of "let me pull up your records", or the salesperson who turns around, recognizes an important customer, and says, "Ah, Mr. Jones! Good to see you again. How did the alterations work on your dinner jacket?"

    1. Re:doesn't have to be isolated or small... by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Who do you think will establish more long-term relationships at a high-end clothier- the salesperson with this palm thingy who does the in-person version of "let me pull up your records", or the salesperson who turns around, recognizes an important customer, and says, "Ah, Mr. Jones! Good to see you again. How did the alterations work on your dinner jacket?"


      But with the gadget behind the false front of his desk, the clerk can read

      Customer entering: B. F. Jones
      Last purchase: Alterations to dinner jacket 1/29/04 $84.59+tax
      Total purchases: $9,259
      Status: Platinum/All Courtesy to be Afforded


      and take it from there, even if it's his first day on the job.
    2. Re:doesn't have to be isolated or small... by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      All of this just goes to show that if you want to be successful, it's all about establishing a relationship with the customer, and that's the job of the sales person

      Exactly true. Summers in college I worked on the floor at a high-end men's specialty clothing store in NYC taking customers' clothes and credit cards from the salesmen to the cash registers hidden in the back (customers' eyes were not to be sullied by the sight of a plebian cash register, I guess!) and bringing them back out packaged and ready. Even though as temps we were just one step up from the minimum wage employees that did a similar job, we were expected to dress in a suit and tie and had to go through a "training session" which basically consisted of "the customer is always right" and emphasized that they stressed customer service. The kind of people who drop $5,000 on a suit of clothes without a second thought expect that kind of service and usually get it. It means lots of repeat business.

      Same thing happens now. At work, a small group of us used to go to lunch to the same two restaurants 4-5 times a week. It got to the point where the owner or waitresses would see us come in the door and usher us to our favorite table with the condiments and free appetizers we liked ready and waiting. They liked the repeat business (sometimes we brought in large groups) and did their best to please us; we liked the service so we tipped very well and kept coming back. Works both ways.
    3. Re:doesn't have to be isolated or small... by japhmi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't even need to be high-scale - repeat business is good business.

      Way back when I was in High School, my group of friends frequented the same dinner-type place quite often. We had 2 rules: Buy something (even just coffee), and leave a minimum $1 tip (even for the $.99 coffee).

      In a short period of time, we were given a lot more lee-way when we made a lot of noise talking (as young kids will) than other high schoolers who went to the same place.

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  11. Re:Messing with thier system by Xoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do not need to decrypt a signal that you can repeat. i.e. I can say "Bonjour" without knowing a lick of French, or even the literal meaning of that phrase.

    Now, if there was some kind of challenge-response going on, it would be much harder to deal with, although not impossible, given enough "captures".

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  12. Back in the day... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Store clerks remembered who you were and got to know you on a personal basis, and could do everything this RFID stuff enables total strangers to do for you now. But times have changed and people don't stay in the same job for 40 years and people don't shop at the same place or even live in the same city their whole lives. When that changed, people bemoaned how alienating modernity was.

    Maybe this will start to change now that we have high tech eyes watching our every move.

    But... it's just off-putting that someone you don't know well has all this information about you. I don't care really if my tailor of some decades of acquaintance knows some personal details about me, like my left leg is shorter than my right leg. I worry, though, when that information get collected into a big system and combined with all sorts of other information from who knows where.

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