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Backlash as EMI Hunts Down the Grey Album

An anonymous reader writes "DJ Danger Mouse's The Grey Album, a remix of Jay-Z's Black Album and the Beatles White Album has become a online music sensation, even getting reviewed in Rolling Stone though only 3,000 CDs were ever made. Now EMI, which controls the Beatles copyright, is trying to shut the album down. They've sent cease and desist letters to Danger Mouse, a handful of record stores, and websites that have hosted the songs. Wired News is reporting on the backlash that has ensued, led by anti-music industry group Downhill Battle, who insists that the major record labels are stifling creativity."

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  1. It's a great album by Amsterdam+Vallon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously, it's fucking awesome.

    1) Get this
    2) Set this as default
    3) Query the album name

    You should have it downloaded within 20 minutes tops. It's fucking worth it though. I'm a huge Beatles fan and I enjoy a lot of modern rap, so this was a great joy for me to find this album. I don't see why EMI is so pissed off anyway.

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  2. Re:BitTorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Oh you mean THIS album? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Oh you mean THIS album? by Organized+Konfusion · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Torrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    A little birdie has informed me that there is a Torrent at the USUAL PLACE.

  5. Re:How stupid by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    The interesting thing here is that he pressed 3000 copies for his friends and family as gifts, he likely still has a supply leftover at this point, and he never sold it. They're not going to be able to get much money as damages in court from that.

    Any further sales or downloads are not Danger Mouse's problem... that's somebody else doing that. EMI's going to have to go after a few hundred people to grab that money.

    Clearly, the path that leads to the most money for EMI would be a deal that leads to the legal release of the record. But, guess what, that's going to take Danger Mouse's approval in order to do that. If Danger Mouse is not willing to license his share of the project at any price, then this is dead on arrival. (And who's to say DM didn't reach out to EMI before and they refused to contribute their part at any price?) This could set up the ultimate irony... big money in front of a major record company that is just out of its reach.

    If anything, Danger Mouse is getting his name out, and it'll likely lead to future work for him...

  6. Statutory damages by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're not going to be able to get much money as damages in court from [leftovers after a 3000-copy pressing].

    They can get 150 grand.

    And who's to say DM didn't reach out to EMI before and they refused to contribute their part at any price?

    Every public corporation has a price, usually about one-third of its market capitalization. It would be possible to buy a controlling interest in EMI, but such a hostile takeover would be cost prohibitive.

  7. Re:Kinda mediocre by cymen · · Score: 4, Informative

    That isn't what they did. They took samples from the White Album. Some samples are long chunks, some are just drum beats. Then they synced Jay-Z's vocals with the samples.

    It's not A + B.

    BitTorrent rocks.

  8. Re:Highlights broken copyright system by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Informative
    Does anybody seriously claim that the Beatles wouldn't have made the White Album if they thought that it wouldn't be profitable almost 40 years later?

    Given the notoriously bad business decisions that they made back in the 60s, I would guess that they didn't really care that much if it was going to be profitiable the week after it was released.

  9. Re:Kinda mediocre by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've been a fan of bootleg mash-ups for many years (1999 according to some file datestamps), and I agree. This isn't all that great as an album, I was quite disappointed given the hype.

    What is interesting however is the reaction to it. I've been anticipating this for a while now; ever since "2 Many DJs" became popular, bootleg remixes have pretty much entered mainstream music. Here in the UK there are radio stations who promote it, and MTV even has a show now called MTV Mash. Note that the latter has to limit itself to licensed tracks, kinda ignoring the "dirty, unauthorised" appeal of some mashes.

    When 2 Many DJs released their album "As Heard on Radio Soulwax Part 2", they had to cut out half of the tracks due to license restrictions. Since then, parts 1-8 of the series have appeared on-line, without restriction. The style is really an extension to hip-hop turntablism, but created entirely digitally. Tools like Acid allow you to pull loops from songs, reorder them, remix them and resequence them into something entirely different. Mainstream music has been doing this for years, a listen to the "Sampled" album collection shows some interesting sampling loops done years ago in well-known tracks you'd never think were based around a few samples. You could actually do this years ago on machines like the Atari ST, but the software now is incredible.

    Tech is also entering the turntable world. "Final Scratch" puts PCM encoded vinyl onto standard decks, allowing a Linux PC to play mp3 as if it were on the disk. Entire electronic systems are available with scratch pads. However, you will never get the respect of a real DJ, they don't go for blinking lights!!

    There are loads of websites with new mixes appearing daily from all over the world. Some of them are incredible, others are accapallela rap lyrics over something else. Like this album. Yawn, might have been interesting about three years ago...bootleggers, mixing rap over another song isn't big or clever. Mix two songs with similar chord-sequences and clever name/band connections, then I'll be impressed. :-)

    If this sort of thing appeals to you, check out the following names: Freelance Hellraiser, 2ManyDJs, Eclectic Method, Osymyso, etc. See you on p2p!!

  10. Re:Highlights broken copyright system by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mod parent up!

    The Beatles (Specifically John and Paul) made a hugely bad decision when, in 1970, upon the breakup of the band, they sold the rights to the entire Northern Songs Catalog for less than 2 million pounds.

    Paul spent years trying to buy it back, only to have Michael Jackson swipe up the entire catalog in one swoop.

  11. Re:I agree with this by Aero+Leviathan · · Score: 5, Informative

    From www.djdangermouse.com --

    The Grey Album is an art project/experiment that uses the full vocal content of Jay-Z's Black Album recorded over new beats and production made using the Beatles White Album as the sole source material. Danger Mouse insists he can explain and prove that all the music on the Grey Album can be traced back to the White Album and its musical content via sampling. Every kick, snare, and chord is taken from the Beatles White Album and is in their original recording somwhere.

    This Incredible re-interpretation will be one to look out for and will be made available worldwide around Feb/March of 2004. The resulting record is a unique hybrid of work from one of hip-hop's fastest rising production stars via two of the most important musical and cultural forces ever.

    In an incredible year, Danger Mouse has already received critical acclaim from his status as the Producer and DJ of the DM & Jemini duo. His work on their 'Ghetto Pop Life' debut showcased his enormous potential and 2004 will see Danger Mouse involved in several further projects.

    Both the Beatles own remix project ('Let It Be... Naked') and Jay-Z's retirement Black Album are in stores now. At the time of writing, neither Jay-Z nor The Beatles were available for comment.

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    3000 copies, eh?

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  12. Re:I agree with this by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Informative
    "He was violating copyright when he pressed a few thousand copies to GIVE AWAY to his FAMILY AND FRIENDS mixing audio tracks with JAY-Z's self-distributed vocal-only (specifically intended for DJ's to remix) tracks?

    I'd sure like to know how that's copyright violation. That's like calling me to the carpet for drawing an Akira poster and giving it to my little brother."

    Well, from Danger Mouse's own site:

    "This Incredible re-interpretation will be one to look out for and will be made available worldwide around Feb/March of 2004."

    How non-commercial does that sound to you? ;)

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  13. Re:Sounds like a corny idea in the first place by LauraScudder · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have mod points, but I don't see a "Factually Inaccurate" option, so I'll just have to reply.

    I have friends who are really into the hip hop scene, and they regularly get sent tracks of just the beats to songs from the artists themselves. Most of the time, the artist is hoping it'll get passed around and used and heard by multiple people for the publicity. Just because you can't buy it at Best Buy doesn't mean the artists don't release them.

  14. Re:Sounds like a corny idea in the first place by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have mod points, but I needed to reply to this trash.
    the GPL, doesn't let me control my hard work beyond no commercial useage
    Do you smoke crack? The GPL DOES allow commercial usage. The GPL just requires the SOURCE CODE to be provided. MySQL is licensed under the GPL with full access to the source. You can also BUY it under another license if you want to make a non-GPLed application.
    and it doesn't let me profit from the sale of my work.
    That must be some good crack you are smokin'. You can sell your GPLed work for whatever amount you want. You just also have to provide the SOURCE code. Again, look at MySQL as an example. They provide the source code under GPL or a non-GPLed license for a fee. Red Hat sells GPLed software, SuSE sells GPLed software, Mandrake sells GPLed software...

    The _whole_ point of copyright is to move works into the public domain. A copyright is not some all powerful ownership that you have. Copyright was setup as an agreement between "The People" and the copyright holder, and after a _limited_ time, that work would be part of the public domain. Big businesses have been trying to destroy that part of the agreement by making large bribes^H^H^H^H donations to congress critters and they have managed to get copyrights extended well beyond the _limited_ time that our Founding Fathers had in mind.

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  15. Re:Jay-Z? What a relief! by elmegil · · Score: 4, Informative

    A variation of this idea already exists. Except it's Sergeant Pepper's, not the White album, and not strictly speaking the Black Album either. But hilarious. Enjoy.

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  16. Re:Jay-Z? What a relief! by OldSchoolNapster · · Score: 5, Informative

    DJ Danger Mouse Grey Album .torrent

    This is what all the fuss is about from wired.
    The Grey Album, which mixes music from the Beatles' White Album with lyrics from rapper Jay-Z's Black Album, is being hailed as a classic. EMI thinks it's a classic, too -- a classic case of copyright violation.

    This is a badass album. It is seriously one of the best pieces of music I have ever heard, truly greater than the sum of its parts.