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Arthur C. Clarke Talks With The Onion

sootman writes "The Onion has an interview with Arthur C. Clarke in this week's issue. My favorite line: 'The asteroid [named after me] is number four thousand and something, and the International Astronomical Federation, which deals with these sorts of things and numbered it, apologized to me because number 2001 wasn't available, having been given to somebody named "A. Einstein."'" Reader ronys point out that Despite the source, the interview is not a spoof or satire."

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  1. Believe it or not by Joe+U · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Onion does have real interviews and a pretty good AV section.

    The print edition is like a reverse newspaper, with the comic section everywhere and a small non-comic center pull-out.

  2. On the mars rovers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    O: Do you have any particular hopes for what they'll find in this round of exploration?
    ACC: Well, I think they've already found life. There's some pictures from the laboratories which seem to me to be unmistakably vegetation--leaves and stems and things. I don't see what else it could possibly be. And where there's vegetation, you can bet there'll be something nibbling on it. I'm still hoping we'll find some Martians up there, holding up a sign that says "Yankee go home." [Laughs.]


    I've watched all the press conferences and I want some I that sri lankin he's smoking.

  3. gotta agree by *weasel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ACC: Well, I think they've already found life. There's some pictures from the laboratories which seem to me to be unmistakably vegetation--leaves and stems and things. I don't see what else it could possibly be.

    I almost wondered: did I miss a day of NASA releases where they casually announced that 'Oh, by the way... there's stuff growing on Mars'.

    I mean, I suppose it's possible that he was referring to debris that resembles decayed plant matter. I'd think anything decayed would be long-since so weather-worn and scattered that it couldn't possibly resemble plant-life at the macroscopic scale. Of course, IANABotonist or Geologist, so what the hell do I know?

    But hey, he is Arthur C Clarke, so maybe he's privvy to stuff that we aren't. Then again, he's Arthur C Clark - the guy who predicted the Kuwaiti oil fires would cause a nuclear winter-like effect and essentially cancel summer in the region. Thankfully that came nowhere near being true - though it certainly casts some doubts on his pontification.

    The second response though is geared solely toward intelligent life - so I don't know that he necessarily contradicted himself or anything.

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    1. Re:gotta agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually it was Carl Sagan who made the prediction about the Kuwaiti oil fires causing cooler temperatures in southern Asia (not world-wide). See his "The Demon Haunted World" for his explanation of why he got it wrong.

      He also has a whole section in the book devoted to scientists who got things wrong (Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, Einstein, Oppenheimer) but even when they were wrong, they pushed science forward by just getting people to think about the "big ideas."

      I think the same can be said of writers of popular science and science fiction. They may not always be right, but the issues are at least more interesting than Janet Jackson's nipple or who Britney is sleeping with now.

    2. Re:gotta agree by The+Grey+Mouser · · Score: 3, Interesting


      The Kuwaiti Oil Fires / Nuclear Winter thing was Carl Sagan. Pretty much the entire nuclear winter thing has been discredited as pop / junk science at this point.


      I've seen no credible refutation of the Nuclear Winter hypothesis, and would be interested to see any references you may have on this point. Conflating this with the Kuwaiti Oil Fires merely clouds the issue, if you'll forgive the expression. Junk science? I think that remains to be seen (hopefully not anytime soon...)


      Sagan was a MASTER science popularizer and spokesman, in the end, he wasn't a very good scientist.


      He was a highly-regarded planetary scientist, though it is true that he was more of a bureaucrat for the latter part of his career. Most of his work was done in large collaborations, but that can hardly be held against him.

      Cheers,

      Mouser

  4. Re:Going nuts? by chadm1967 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That doesn't mean he's "nuts".

  5. Maybe I shouldn't go back to Oregon... by Leto-II · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was I the only one who noticed this little quote?

    Incidentally, have you heard about the discovery of the largest living creature on Earth? Would you believe it's two or three miles across, and probably several thousand years old, and still growing? It's this fungus that's eating Oregon. It's a single creature. I'm not quite sure how that's determined.

    Does anyone know WTF he is talking about here? Before I came back to China last year I didn't seem to remember my fellow Oregonians running away in fear from the killer fungus...

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    1. Re:Maybe I shouldn't go back to Oregon... by buddahboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google for the humongous fungus
      I don't think anyone with a fondness for the english language could fail to appreciae that sentence....

  6. Fungus Eating Oregon by airConditionedGypsy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the article, Clarke mentions the "largest living creature" to be a fungus two or three miles across "eating Oregon."

    His word choice leads one to envision doom and death, and I was sufficiently motiviated to search for more info on this beastie.

    http://www.harpers.org/Oregon.html

    http://www.newhouse.com/archive/story1b080700.html

    Google search gets you more.

    on another topic: Anyone amazed at how many quotes this guy has stored up in his head?

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  7. Great Quote from the Article by jsonic · · Score: 5, Interesting
    O: Another favorite quote you tend to bring up in interviews is, "If there are any gods whose chief concern is man, they can't be very important gods." Can you expound on that?

    ACC: [Laughs.] Well, I was rather a cynic once. But now I've combined all my beliefs into this phrase I've been circulating: "Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." It's adapted from a phrase by the British writer and scientist Richard Dawkins, who said that religion was a mind virus, an idea that infected the mind. He said that not all mind-viruses are malignant; some may even be beneficial. But many are harmful--racist theories, for instance.

    1. Re:Great Quote from the Article by indianajones428 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How about this one?

      "I'm very fond of the quote--I don't know who said it first--'The best proof that there's intelligent life in the universe is that it hasn't come here.'"

      Arthur C. Cleark quoting Bill Watterson....

      Very cool.

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      When a thing has been said, and said well, have no scruple. Take it and copy it. --Anatole France
    2. Re:Great Quote from the Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Which Crusades are you refering to... the Muslim or the Christian?

      The Crusades argument is a popular with non-Christians and ignores the historical context of the time. Truth is, the "Christian" crusades were a political backlash against the Muslim crusaders who invaded Europe years before. The Battle of Tours in France was the turning point in which the Muslims were finally pushed back to the Middle East.

      The "Christian" crusades were a politically driven backlash which preyed upon the "revenge factor" of the common man. Europeans had been fighting back against the Muslim invaders for years, and leaders easily incited the people towards revenge. Attrocities were commited in the name of my God, and that is truly unfortunate. But please do not omit the historical context of the time.

    3. Re:Great Quote from the Article by GileadGreene · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Just out of interest, what is required in terms of belief in order for something to be categorized as a religion, rather than simply a belief about the world?

    4. Re:Great Quote from the Article by lga · · Score: 2, Interesting
      And you might as well absolve Christianity of all blame for the Crusades by claiming that the popes who ordered them weren't Christians, either.

      It doesn't matter if the popes who ordered the crusades were Christian or not - what happened was done in the name of Christianity and God and as a Christian I am ashamed of it.

      However, a lot of things done in the name of Christians are just using the nearest excuse and have little to do with religion.
  8. Re:Sufficiently advanced technology... by tramm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    he first created the popular axiom "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magick." Which of course leads to the corollary: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    To be pedantic, that is the contrapositive of Clark's Law. The contrapositive is a rule of inference that allows you to reverse the consequent and antecedent: if P implies Q, then not Q implies not P.
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  9. Vegitation Photos Link by FlashBIOS · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here is a link to the vegitation photos that he seems to be talking about. It also includes a breif description of what it might be

    My questions is, why hasn't this been bigger news? Did it come out and I just missed it?

  10. AV Club Interviews by May+Kasahara · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, and the interviews are usually excellent. Even if they're interviewing someone I have little interest in (like Amy Sedaris or The RZA), I'll still read it, because I know it'll be interesting. The A.V. Club's reviews are usually pretty good too, though their "Films That Time Forgot" sometimes get thematic from week to week.

  11. Re:What is your fucking point by jbrader · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The way that I seem to remember it is Clarke wrote the novel and Kubrick wrote the screenplay of a story that they collaberated on. Though there are major plot differences. In fact I remember reading once that Clarke said he wouldn't touch screenwriting with a bargepole (too technical)

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  12. Film Adaptation of "Fountains of Paradise"? by liftwatch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was particularly interested in the last couple of paragraphs, regarding a possible film adaptation of Fountains of Paradise, and the fact that Clarke considers that his best/favourite novel.

    Fountains was the first novel to incorporate the modern concept of a space elevator.

    Anyone heard anything else about this news item?

    Personally, I'm hoping for Steven Spielberg. He did a terrific job on Minority Report. Between that, AI, and Taken, he's definitely on a sci-fi roll lately.

  13. Re:Isn't he getting old? by TGK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you missed the point. He's implying the Bible is a work of Science Fiction, not a legitimate religious document. He's indicating that a single author drafted it as a work of fiction largely as a practical joke on the rest of history.

    It's a theory with some holes, but one that's fun to needle the radical right with.

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    No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
  14. Re:Sufficiently advanced technology... by Noren · · Score: 5, Interesting
    To be much more pedantic, that is the contrapositive of Clarke's Third Law(1973), the popular axiom to which the grandparent referred.

    Clarke's Law(1962), which was later renamed Clarke's First Law, reads:

    When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right.
    When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
    It is perhaps relevant given the misattribution to Asimov earlier and the corollary reference of the grandparent to also mention Asimov' Corollary to Clarke's First Law (1978):
    When, however, the lay public rallies round an idea that is denounced by distinguished but elderly scientists and supports that idea with great fervor and emotion --
    the distinguished but elderly scientists are then, after all, probably right.
  15. Re:Going nuts? by linoleo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hawking thinks that humanity needs to genetically engineer ourselves to pre-emptively keep machines from taking us over.

    Well then, call me nuts, too, but I think this is actually a pretty inevitable conclusion once you start thinking of the big picture - say, developments over the next 1000 years or more. Hawkins may be disingenuous in going public with such long-range thoughts, but they are actually very well-founded.

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    Be faithful to your obsessions. Identify them and be faithful to them, let them guide you like a sleepwalker. JG Ballard
  16. Re:Irrelevant by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Interesting
    > Clark is fascinating despite his age - we should treasure the elderly, there is much knowledge there to be gained, but all too often we simply shuffle them to the side like a pair of worn shoes. Enjoy his insights while you still can.

    Amen to that.

    > He has some fascinating opinions on Martian life, for example.

    From the article: "Well, I think they've already found life. There's some pictures from the laboratories which seem to me to be unmistakably vegetation-leaves and stems and things. I don't see what else it could possibly be."

    But with all due respect, Sir Clarke, what pictures are these again? Fark photoshops don't count.

    His Dark Dune Spots look a lot more like some sort of outgassing (well, out-watering or out-CO2ing, which would in itself be interesting, but isn't proof of life) or wind-related phenomenon than trees.

    With the new orbiter, we should get some new data that could resolve this question.

  17. It's refreshing to see someone speak their mind. by pocopoco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Favorite quote from the interview: "Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." Awesome, none of this idiotic, politically correct, don't-say-what-you're-thinking crap for Clarke. I was all set to write the Brits off as total losers - we recently had articles with them trying to get people to stop using the terms boyfriend/girlfriend and then tring to ban a video game for having animal violence (what's next, ban Looney Tunes?) - pretty much as far from this free thinking fellow as possible. Then again the interview also said he doesn't have any interest in returning to England...maybe we should all just write US, UK, and company off as old fogeys that are only getting worse and more restrictive rather than the innovative places they used to be.