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Purely Functional Data Structures

andrew cooke writes "A while ago I read the comments following a Slashdot book review. Someone had posted a request for books that covered a wider range of languages than Java, C, Python, etc. Well, I thought, why not review Okasaki's Purely Functional Data Structures? It's a classic from the underworld of functional programming - recognised as the standard reference, yet clear enough to work as an introduction to the subject for anyone with a basic functional programming background. Of course, some readers won't know what functional programming is, or what is special about pure data structures. So I hope that this review can also serve as something of an introduction to the languages that I (a software engineer paid to work with Java, C, Python, etc) choose to use in my spare time, just for the joy of coding." Read on for the rest; even if you're not planning to give up C or Perl, there are links here worth exploring. Purely Functional Data Structures author Chris Okasaki pages 220 publisher Cambridge University Press rating 8/10 reviewer Andrew Cooke ISBN 0521663504 summary Functional programming for grown-ups.

In Okasaki's introduction he says that the "[...] benefits of functional languages are well known, but still the vast majority of programs are written in imperative languages such as C. This apparent contradiction is easily explained by the fact that functional languages have historically been slower than their more traditional cousins, but this gap is narrowing."

Indeed, OCaml has a reputation for being "as fast as C," yet it contains automatic memory management and supports object-oriented, as well as functional, programming. It's also probably the most widely used functional language outside academia (except perhaps Lisp/Scheme).

I mention OCaml not just because it's fast, free and popular, but because Okasaki uses a related language - ML - in his book. The ML family of languages are the standard strict, functional languages (Standard ML of New Jersey is perhaps the reference implementation but see also standardml.org). Okasaki also includes an appendix with examples in Haskell, which is the standard lazy functional language.

The difference between lazy and strict languages is the order in which code is evaluated. Most languages are strict. Unlike most languages, Haskell only evaluates something when it is absolutely necessary. Each parameter to a function, for example, is passed as a "thunk" of code, not a value. If the value is not required inside the function, the parameter is left unused; if it is required (say as part of a result that needs to be displayed) then the thunk is evaluated. This evaluation may trigger a whole slew of evaluations of functions that "should" have been called earlier (from a Java programmer's point of view).

Laziness is both good and bad. The bad side is obvious: the order in which code is executed my be very different from the order in which the program was written and some serious book-keeping is necessary in the compiler to juggle the thunks of code and their final values. The reordering of code could cause mayhem for IO operations, for example (in practice, of course, Haskell includes a solution to this problem).

The good side is that laziness can help make programs more efficient and, while the definition of ML doesn't include laziness, individual ML implementations -- including OCaml and SML/NJ -- include it as an extra.

Much of Purely Functional Data Structures (the second of three parts) focuses on how to use laziness to make data structures efficient. Lazy evaluation allows book-keeping actions to be postponed, for example, so that the cost of maintaining the data structure in an efficient form can be averaged across several read/write operations (improving worst case limits - avoiding a very slow response if the data happen to be in a "bad" order).

An understanding of how the efficiency of algorithms is rated (the big-O notation) is one piece of knowledge that this book does assume, along with a basic grasp of what Stacks, Queues, Trees, etc, are.

This lazy boost in efficiency is needed because, even though functional languages may be getting faster, it's not always possible for them to implement the efficient algorithms used in imperative (non-functional) programming.

But I'm getting ahead of myself, because I haven't described what a functional language is, or why it is useful. These are the topics of the first part of the book, which explains how functional languages, which make it impossible to change variable values by direct assignment, support persistent data structures. This section is fairly brief, and while it's a good refresher course for someone who's not had to worry about such things since studying at university, it's not sufficient as an initial introduction to functional programming in general.

There's a good explanation of functional programming in the Wikipedia, but, in all honesty, I don't see how anyone can really "get it" without writing functional code (just as I, at least, couldn't understand how OOP worked until I wrote code that used objects).

So forgive me for not telling you why functional programming is good (This paper is one famous attempt), but perhaps a better question to focus on is "Why should you spend the time to investigate this?" The best answer I can give is that it leads to a whole new way of thinking about programming. Describing functional programming as "excluding assignment to variables" doesn't do justice to the consequences of such a profound change (one I found almost unimaginable - how can you program without loop counters, for example?).

There's a practical side to all this too - learning new ways of thinking about programs makes you a better programmer. This ties in closely with the final part of Okasaki's book, which explores a few fairly esoteric approaches to data structures. Who would have thought that you can design data structures that parallel the way in which you represent numbers? Some of this is pretty heavy going - I can't say I understood it all, but I'm taking this book with me on holiday (it's slim - just over 200 pages) and I'll be bending my brain around some of the points in the last few chapters as I lie in the sun (here in the southern hemisphere it's late summer).

So just who would benefit from this book? It seems to me that it's most valuable as a second book on functional programming. There are a bunch of texts (and online guides) that can get you started in functional programming. This one goes further. It shows how to exploit the features of functional languages to solve real problems in applied computing. Admittedly, they are problems that have already been solved in imperative languages, but you might find that you, too, come to enjoy those famous benefits of functional languages. The algorithms in this book let you enjoy those benefits without paying the price of inefficiency.

Andrew Cooke last reviewed for Slashdot The Aardvark is Ready for War . You can purchase Purely Functional Data Structures from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. Purely *Functional* Data Structures by Orne · · Score: 4, Funny

    As opposed to what, Data Structures that don't work? Yeah, we need more books on those...

    1. Re:Purely *Functional* Data Structures by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Funny

      "As opposed to what, Data Structures that don't work? Yeah, we need more books on those..."

      Fear not, MFC is extensively documented.

      (Complains I, recently bit by yet another lame long-acknowledged-yet-unfixed bug in M$'s class libraries.)

    2. Re:Purely *Functional* Data Structures by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I never got a Comp-Sci degree myself

      Then how the heck do you know what the teachers are teaching? Maybe you have only talked to the morons who go through comp-sci thinking it is a programming degree. I know that there was a large percentage of people I went through school with who chose to ignore things like functional programming simply because they had the mind set that they were there to get a software development job after school. It was taught, but it mostly fell on deaf ears. If it wasn't c++/MFC they thought they wouldn't need it (and hence spent no time trying to learn it). They were the same crop of students who thought it was stupid that they had to take differential equations and physics, because they would never use that in "the field." They just wasted their education.

      I personally thought it was really interesting, and as such I am now a graduate student. I love comp-sci for what it actually is, which is not programming.

      Why am I replying to a troll??? Oh well, I feel better now.
    3. Re:Purely *Functional* Data Structures by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You think I don't know comp-sci? Oh dear, we seem to have a pickle here. I must have chosen the wrong profession, because I could have sworn I was leading teams of developers, doing my part to change the fact of Java gaming, helping design better database drivers, competing in competitions to pack the most into 4K, building better tools, and generally spending my time trying to knock some sense into these idiots who didn't pay attention when they were getting their degrees.

      I didn't get a degree, but I did take the hard way of learning comp-sci. I spent years of my time studying the various texts and papers that students *should* be studying. Some people complain that, "well you can't be a *true* comp-sci professional because you didn't pay for this piece of paper." I just shake my head at their insecurity and offer to help them solve whatever their current problem is.

      There are my credentials. Take them or leave them. My only recommendation is that you don't underestimate what I can do, or what I have done.

    4. Re:Purely *Functional* Data Structures by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you prove that general sorting cannot be less than O(n log n)? This is fundamental. If you can't do it, you do not know computer science

      Yes, I can. And that's my point. I learned how when I was given my first book on data structures. It was a little weird at first, but if you're going to do things right, you have to know the math behind them. In fact, modern computers long ago made me give up the desktop calculator. Trying to develop for the processing power of today requires numbers far beyond what my old desktop calculators could do. It's too bad, because it was so convenient to not have to switch windows. And yes, I'm too cheap to get a decent scientific calculator. :-)

      Put out a publication comparing your methods with other known methods.

      You mean like this one? Looking back at it, I should have taken the time to clean up the english. I was so excited about my algo, that I just pushed it out. :-)

      Keep an eye on Java Developers Journal for an article on logging. They wouldn't let me publish a pure research paper, but I was able to squeeze in a dissertation on using ThreadLocals for multiplexing a stream.

      Does anyone know any *good* comp-sci journals? Dr. Dobbs looks promising, but I had already promised an article to JDJ.

  2. Over where I work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Management prefers dysfunctional programming.

  3. I don't even see the code.. by laurent420 · · Score: 5, Funny

    blonde... brunette..

  4. Nice Review! by jaaron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nice to see some actual content on Slashdot!

    By the way, this reminds me of the recent article on Domain Specific Languages over on Martin Foweler's website. Another aspect of programming worth investigating.

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    1. Re:Nice Review! by YoJ · · Score: 4, Informative
      This is one of my favorite books, and is largely responsible for me switching from math to CS. I had done C and Java programming before, but I always considered programming (and computer science) a messy but fun engineering activity akin to woodworking. When I read this book, I got a glimpse of the "true meaning" of programming.

      I would recommend this book to programmers that have a couple years experience with imperative or OO languages, who have also taken an introductory course in algorithms. A motivated reader does not need experience with ML, but having taken some sort of "Programming Languages" class that spends a day or two on ML is very helpful. I found it the most rewarding to learn ML and start programming in ML while reading this book, then attempting to implement the data structures in the book myself to use in small projects.

      If you don't know any functional languages and don't want to learn them, this book will not be helpful and you probably won't get enough motivation from the book itself to understand what it's talking about. If you don't really know functional languages but are willing to give them a try, this book is ideal. If you already know one or more functional languages well, you should try to read Okasaki's papers on functional data structures before getting the book. Of course you might want the book too.

  5. O'Camel by Robert+Webb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is 'OCaml' pronounced 'Oh-Camel', 'Ach-amel'...? Akin to the 'Line-Ux' versus 'Lin-Ux' confusion.

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  6. Not a typewriter by JoshuaDFranklin · · Score: 5, Funny
    But I'm getting ahead of myself, because I haven't described what a functional language is, or why it is useful. These are the topics of the first part of the book...

    You know, your computer is not a typewriter, so you really could have rewritten that part of your review...

    1. Re:Not a typewriter by ornil · · Score: 5, Funny

      He did, but because of lazy evaluation it ended up after the second part.

  7. I like any language by donnyspi · · Score: 5, Funny

    that supports GOTOs. Those are the best!

  8. This was a great review by jkauzlar · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've been learning OCaml on my own for the past several weeks and I've been wondering many of the things that this book seems to address, such as how the functional paradigm solves common problems differently than the imperative. I know first-class functions can significantly reduce the amount of code needed in many procedures...

    I guess what I'm saying is that I've used languages like Perl and Python considerably and ignored the functional aspects of the language, probably much to my disadvantage. I think a good study of a purely functional language could really improve my perl, python, or ruby.

    1. Re:This was a great review by SparafucileMan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Actually perl has an alternate syntax that includes a functional language, and, of course, you can always write a functional language in perl. But most Perl code online (CPAN) isn't written like this, which pretty much defeats the purpose.

      For example, where I work, I have to write in ColdFusion sometimes. ColdFusion has 2 syntaxes: a tag-based one that looks like HTML and is four times redudant and impossible to deal with, but is easier for people, and a second syntax with first-order functions. Writing in the first-order function syntax is easier, more efficient, clearer, and easier to debug in everyway, except all my co-workers write in the tag syntax, which forces me to, as well. It sucks.

      The point is that programs tend to be written to the lower-common-demoninator of the language, which makes the difference between functional, procedural, and oo languages so huge when there is really no difference.

    2. Re:This was a great review by tcopeland · · Score: 4, Interesting
      > I think a good study of a purely functional
      > language could really improve my perl,
      > python, or ruby.

      Right on. Here's a quote from Yukihiro Matsumoto, creator of Ruby:
      Learn more than one programming language, preferably many different styles, like scripting, object-oriented, functional, logic, etc.
      There's an Artima article where he gives some of his reasons for this idea. That whole series of interviews with him is pretty good.
  9. The memories... by kneecarrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I took a course back in university that used Scheme to teach some programming concepts. As with any course, we had to use Scheme to solve some problems on coding assignments. I remember a general rule everyone learned in the class: if your solution to the problem was more than a handful of lines, it was probably wrong. The solutions were very elegant, but very difficult to debug and very difficult to reason about.

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  10. Re:Functionals by ill_mango · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are you serious?

    I agree that functional programming languages are quite useful, but speaking as a coder who learned functional programming just last year in class, I can say that functional languages are a lot more complicated than procedural languages.

    Sure, once you get good at it you can bang out a functional program easily, and maintenance can be a breeze once you know how to write the code. However, reading and understanding code that ISN'T yours can be damn near impossible sometimes, especially when you're a newbie.

    I'm not discounting the use of functional languages, I'm just saying they are harder to learn than procedural languages.

  11. It's all in the constructors by skybrian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another way to think about functional programming is as constructor-based programming. Problems are solved by constructing lots of temporary objects that are a little closer to the solution, until you're finally in a position to construct the answer.

    You can do this in any language, but to be efficient, you need an good garbage collector and a compiler that can optimize out most of the temporary objects.

  12. Re:Functionals by SparafucileMan · · Score: 4, Informative
    Its a different mind-set required to write in a functional language, that's all. Some people find it a steeper learning curve, and some don't. But the effort put into learning the functional language style will be paid back 1,000 fold (at least) for the rest of your life, whereas learning a typical procedural language will only get you 10x return. Plus the pay-back on learning the functional language will apply to _all_ languages you ever learn. This is because all languages and algorithms are defined, on paper, in a functional style anyway (since it uses "math"), and the procedural super-set is just a needless complication from what is 'really happening'.

    But then again, I majored in math, not programming, so maybe I'm biased.

  13. Just got this book by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice review!

    I just got this book and it's clear the author has really done his research. His writing style is also very clear, concise and well thought out. Not overly chatty or pandering, yet not dryly accademic either. Precisely the kind of computer book I'd want to write!

    I'm glad the reviewer didn't try to talk a lot about why people should be interested in functional programs, however I must say that the ability to write large complex algorithms in very few lines, and prove mathematically that it works is simply a miracle in some situations. If you need to write a compiler (or do any other set of complex alogirthms on large recursive data structures, especially those that could take advantage of tagged unions, like Abstract Syntax Trees do) you should check out OCaml. And it doesn't hurt that it can figure out the type of all your functions and variables for you :)

    Oh, and if you happen to get this book, and want to play with OCaml, you can get the OCaml translation of the data structures in this book here.

    I dont' know if very many programmers will ever program in a purely functional language, however it seems that languages of the future will have to include things like first class functions and closures, as they are incredibly useful. I know Ruby and Python already support a lot of it.

    Oh and in case anyone's wondering, it *IS* possible to encapsulate things like notion of state, error handling, and I/O in a purely functional language ("side effect free" language) using something called monads. Now there's a fun concept to wrap your brain around!

    Hope some people here are brave enough to dig into a book like this that requires a bit of math, and more than a little faith at some points :)

    Cheers,
    Justin Wick

    1. Re:Just got this book by Jagasian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Monadic programming is a fancy name for a pretty common sense design pattern used by functional programmers far before the theory of Monads was created. Basically you want a function that executes a list of commands, but the problem is that functions can only evaluate to pure values. So what you do is your function evaluates to a value that represents the list of commands you wanted to execute.

      So the design pattern consists of using functions that pass a state value in and out of each function, in addition to possibly other values. The pattern enforces some restrictions, one of which is: each state value can only be used once.

      So executing one command and then another involves each command being defined as a function that takes the world's state and returns the world's state after modification. Sequencing the two commands then consists of composing the functions such that the state is passed from one function to the next.

      There are additional properties required for something to be considered a Monad... and it turns out that this "design pattern" is a mathematical construct known from a branch of mathematics known as Category Theory, and that category theory construct is called a "Monad".

      A side note: category theory is basically the study of mathematical design patterns. Its more than that, but thats a good intuition for computer scientists to take when they study category theory.

    2. Re:Just got this book by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative

      Monadic programming is a fancy name for a pretty common sense design pattern used by functional programmers far before the theory of Monads was created. Basically you want a function that executes a list of commands, but the problem is that functions can only evaluate to pure values. So what you do is your function evaluates to a value that represents the list of commands you wanted to execute.

      What makes them special is the mathematical rigor that *ensures* the properties you need from the monads, and greatly aids in proving properties of your algorithms. Things like associativty, and the left/right unit properties really help trivialize a lot of programming proofs.

      It's more than just a "fancy name", and I'd say the most exciting thing about it is that it allows the use of composition of monads to compose functionalities described inside them. It makes functional programs much more modular because of this, and allows one to add all kinds of features to something like an interpreter without hardly changing the signatures of any functions! Quite impressive compared to the normal craziness associated with refactoring a functional program.

      It's interesting to see how monads are used in Glassgow's Haskell compiler... much more useful than I ever though "some weird triple thing" from category theory could be.

      A side note: category theory is basically the study of mathematical design patterns. Its more than that, but thats a good intuition for computer scientists to take when they study category theory.

      I always thought Category Theory was best though of by CS students as a replacement for Set Theory that has a function-centric view... a more pure theory of functions (with applications to the lamda calculus no less) that can usefully find common structure in many disparate fields of mathematics, especially discrete math.

      Cheers,
      Justin Wick

  14. I bought this book by johnnyb · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought this book about 6 months ago. I *love* it. The author did an excellent job showing many interesting algorithms. I did have to read it a few times to make sense of it, as I am not as engaged in the functional programming community as I would like. I still have trouble figuring out how to apply the banker's method and the physicist's method when determining the amortized performance of functional algorithms.

    Anyway, the book was a great read. I was really surprised to learn how efficient some of the functional data structures could be.

    Good discussion as well on the use of suspensions (lazy evaluation for specific blocks of code) in programming.

  15. Re:Functionals by Kupek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree that functional programming languages are quite useful, but speaking as a coder who learned functional programming just last year in class, I can say that functional languages are a lot more complicated than procedural languages.

    I don't know how you can say that the languages are more complicated. Scheme, for example, is the simplest language I know of, in terms of syntax and semantics.

    I think you're confusing this with how difficult it is to think functionaly when you've been raised to think imperatively. Functional programming is a different paradigm than imperative programming, and as such, you have to think differently. If you've been programming imperatively for a while, learning another imperative langauge is often straight forward; you learn the basics of the syntax, what the language provides natively, and how you can construct what it does not provide. You already know how to solve problems with that style of language.

    Learning a functional language, however, is more than just having to learn a different syntax and set of rules (assuming you've been raised imperatively). You have to learn a different way of solving problems. And until you've done that for quite some time (I, for example, have not), I don't think you're qualified to make the judgement calls you did.

  16. Online version available by johnnyb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, since this was this guy's thesis, it's also available online

    See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/theses/okasaki.pdf.

    I suggest you get the book, however, as it's a great read.

  17. But what data structures? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative
    This review was awesome, but he didn't really mention what data structures are discussed. Here's the list from the TOC for those who care:

    Heaps:
    • Leftist
    • Binomial
    • Splay
    • Pairing
    • Skew Binomial
    • Lazy Pairing

    Trees:
    • Binary Search
    • Red-Black
    • Trie

    Queues:
    • FIFO
    • Banker's
    • Physicist's
    • Double Ended


    There's also a lot of other things, such as some interesting ways of doing numerical representation in functional languages (lazy numbers!) Even talks about trinary/quaternary numbers, as discussed before on slashdot.

    Also if you'd like to see the source code without buying the book (you cheap bastard!) you can find it here.

    But I hope you buy the book :)

    Cheers,
    Justin
  18. Re:Functionals by Temporal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you only just learned it last year in class, no wonder you find it complicated. You probably have much more experience with imperative languages. Indeed, when you think about programming, your thoughts are probably imperative. Just as a native English speaker might think Japanese is complicated (even after "learning it in class last year"), a native imperative programmer will find functional programming difficult at first.

    You know how they say, once you know one programming language, learning another is easy? Yes, once you know C++, picking up Java is a sinch, and you can probably even read someone's Python code without even learning the language first. But, this is because all of these languages are imperative. If someone tells you to write something in LISP, you may be able to figure out the syntax pretty easily, but no doubt you'll find yourself using imperative constructs like "progn". And, when you do that, the language seems very difficult to use indeed, because it was never supposed to be used that way. I made this mistake once myself.

    Anyway, point is, it's not really fair for you to be judging functional languages until you've practiced them as much as the imperative ones. Personally, my imperative experience still dwarfs my functional experience by a factor of thousands... but I've now convinced myself that, for most purposes, functional languages are superior.

  19. Re:Functionals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but speaking as a coder who learned functional programming just last year in class, I can say that functional languages are a lot more complicated than procedural languages.

    Wouldn't you be a little bit more qualified to comment if you had several years of experience with both functional and imperative languages, first?

  20. Re:Functionals by gangien · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can say that functional languages are a lot more complicated than procedural languages

    What?? More complicated? No no no.. They are certainly not more complicated. For instance the funcitonal languages:

    (display "Hello World") -Scheme

    main =
    do
    putStr "Hello World" - Haskell

    vs

    #include
    main () {
    printf("hello world"); }- C

    #!/usr/bin/perl
    print "hello world"; - perl

    Now those differences are subtle, but A. The functional languages are easier to read(and I think most any none biases person would aggree with me) B. No whacky syntax, hell scheme syntax is only () C. The data types are simple, Pointers? please. Ect ect. The thing that makes functional programming difficult is the lack of an imperative control flow. Which is how people tend to solve problems. For instance if you want to sum up the numbers 1 through 8, in an imperative language it'd be

    tol = 0
    for i = 1 to 8
    tol += i
    end for

    in scheme it'd be
    (define (sum a b)
    (if (equal? a b)
    b
    (+ a (sum (+ 1 a) b)))

    which is confusing. And not obvious. But as for other people's code, that is always the case. Well I've never seen a language that oculd get around that anyhow, the closest I think is java.

  21. Functional Programming missed the boat by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I was weaned in college on Haskell, and I love it still, but the bottom line is that the programming language industry is a fashion industry. Functional languages are lacking a big corporate/open source backer to glamorize and promote their goodness. Java is a perfect example of how you can hawk a programming language to saturation regardless of its relative merits.

    Network effects are what rules the programming tools industry. Network effects are whim to fashion. Fashion is ruled by those with the legitimacy to glamorize.

    1. Re:Functional Programming missed the boat by The+Pim · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If you examine these "fashions", you'll see many examples of Philip Greenspun's adage that "The exciting thing in computer science is always whatever we tried 20 years ago and didn't work". Industry is ever rediscovering and popularizing old ideas from academia. Even Java, while primitive, took some of its main selling points (garbage collection, portable bytecode) from the ivory tower. In Paul Graham's words, "the default language, embodied in a succession of popular languages, has gradually evolved toward Lisp". These are different ways of saying that if the ideas are good (and good ideas abound in the functional programming community), the mainstream will pick them up eventually.

      Also, it's not exactly true that functional programming lacks a big-name sponsor. Haskell research and implementation is largely driven by Microsoft Research. This is not the same as promoting (something like) Haskell to working programmers, but it suggests that Microsoft has its eye on doing so someday.

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  22. Hard to use in the "real world". by Godeke · · Score: 4, Informative

    I love functional programming. If I had my way, my projects would all use functional programming languages. I don't have my way however, and there are two reasons.

    1. Few commercial tools: Functional languages are under represented in the commercial space. With the exception of Franz Lisp and a few other lisp dialects, there is little commercial support. That may not be a killer for everyone, but I would like an environment with a good form designer and a large library to back me up. One I could give to another coder and expect them to be productive with it. Emacs works as an IDE for me, but I can't force that on others...

    2. Fewer programmers: The vast majority of programmers seem unable/unwilling/whatever to grasp the concepts and work with functional code. If you need to build a team of programmers, it is much harder to find those who can do functional programming (and when you do, they rock, but are expensive and in high demand).

    In the end, I use commonly used commercial tools so I can work with other people. Internally I use a lot of non commercial tools (LAMP model) and so I can sometimes indulge in my functional side there, but rarely can I do functional programming for my business clients.

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  23. Took Okasaki's data structures course by philgross · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here's a reason to get a Computer Science degree at a good school: you can take a course on data structures taught by Chris Okasaki, the book's author. I took Advanced Data Structures from him at Columbia in 1999. Now he's at West Point.


    The course was pretty mind-blowing. He knows his stuff. It was a bit freaky to watch him grading programming assignments by just reading them, not running them, and yet never missing a mistake.


    I would recommend the book not just as an introduction to advanced data structures in functional languages, but as a guide to some of the more interesting data structures of the last fifteen years, regardless of implementation language.


    -- Phil Gross

  24. The tyranny of momentum: why Ocaml is not popular by zeno_lee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Programming in a functional language allows you to be more concise and expressive. Some studies indicate that development time is 4 times shorter, and the resulting code is 4 times smaller and is much easier to read.

    Take a language like Ocaml.

    It is a functional language with imperative features (loops, mutable data structures), modular organization, has object orientation, compiles to portable byte code (like Java and the JVM) as well as compiling to native code that runs as fast as C, has garbage collection, and a good standard library.

    I'm thinking the reason why there are such few people picking up functional programming is the same reason the US still uses the imperial system for measurement.

    While the rest of the world is on the metric system, the U.S. still uses the strange imperial system, that uses things like 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 16 ounces to a pound. That's because the US is entrenched in a mindset and there's no driving reason to change. This is the same reason why people have been stuck on imperative languages. Imperative languages have been the overriding paradigm because in the past, processing time and memory were expensive and imperative languages. This is no longer the case but there is a huge momentum of imperative language that that rolls on like a giant snowball, reinforced by industry and entrenched upon the next generation of computer programmers.

    How did I discover Ocaml?

    I was investigating rapid prototyping languages to add to my toolbelt and ran across Ocaml. I was drawn to it because it has done extremely well in the ICFP contests, especially in the lightning division (24 hour submission).

    Also it ranks impressively in the great language shootout by Doug Bagley, in terms of Lines of Code, Execution Speed, and memory consumption.

    http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/