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New EU IP Law Deemed Harmful

JPMH writes "The Register is reporting on this alert from FFII about a new EU Directive on IP enforcement due to go to the Parliament legal affairs sub-committee on Monday, and full Plenary in two weeks time. The detailed text of the measure was only published on Tuesday. FFII says that without better defined safeguards the Directive will lead to a far more agressive, lawyer-driven legal environment for creative businesses. Having seen how similar legislation is used in the United States, FFII fears that it will provide the perfect means for agressive litigators holding dubious intellectual property rights to "pull a SCO" and use the powers of the Directive to seriously harass and damage small open-source projects and innovative businesses. FFII has a list of MEPs to contact here." The law has been described as a DMCA on steroids. We've reported on this before, but it bears repeating...

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  1. International Solution by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Perhaps there needs to be a cohesive international set of laws for such matters. Clearly these issues cross many borders (The RIAA and it's overseas equivalents, etc.). Software companies, music industries, artists, etc. all sell their wares into a global economy. Just an idea....

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    1. Re:International Solution by The+Slashdotted · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's been said before, but there are many third world countries that can ill afford the western conception of intellectual property. Seaworld embraces conterversy openly. Mexico/Columbia can barley fight our war on drugs, and they have no inherent interest enforcing the US IP.

      There was a point in time where the far right opposed any multinational government. "Get us out of the U.N." was one of their chants. My how times have changed.

    2. Re:International Solution by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps there needs to be a cohesive international set of laws for such matters.

      That is what we are in the process of acquiring.

      That is the problem.

      KFG

    3. Re:International Solution by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 5, Informative

      They haven't - that was multinational government, what this is is something quite different. This is getting other countries to agree to the rules the US wants, not getting the US to agree to a consensus.

  2. good old fashioned snake oil by segment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The draft Directive is a result of pressure brought by Hollywood and the music industry to crack down on music copying, and by luxury brand owners such as Yves Saint Laurent to crack down on counterfeiting. However, it is now apparent that the main result will not be a reduction in music copying, so much as a reduction in competition and in traditional usage rights. They seem to answer their own questions regarding stemming counterfeiting, yet they still intend on bringing out the laws. Amazing.

    There will be significant adverse effects on economic growth and innovation; the European Single Market will be undermined; and liberty will suffer in many ways. What I don't understand is, if they're seeing all of this in their own words (source for the italics ), then why on earth would they bring down the house of cards.

    Third, the winners are a small number of large organisations (AOLTimeWarner, Bertelsmann, Microsoft, Sony, Honda, Yves Saint Laurent...) who have been able to coordinate their activities and lobby internationally Personally I think someone/somegroup should ban together and create an international ban on those corporations who are threatening the liberties, and rights of others for their own gain. It would be nice to see the geekcommunity come together via some form of petition, but sadly I could see trollers messing things up/

    Anyone care to draft up a legal go to hell for the overseers, I'll glady append the signature to it.

  3. This by JoeBaldwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Drives the final nail in the coffin of a progressive EU willing to stand up to big business. Fine, they're gonna rip MS to shreds, but there will only be other fatass monopolies ready to take their place and this law will reinforce the fuckers.

    I'm writing my MEP as soon as possible. (Yes, I am in Europe. Yes, I am in Britain. Yes, I do like Europe.)

  4. Lawsuit Driven Environment by aynrandfan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    FFII says that without better defined safeguards the Directive will lead to a far more agressive, lawyer-driven legal environment for creative businesses.

    I read "lawer-driven" as "company X has no viable business plan, and will sue the ass off anyone who crosses their line of sight."

    What pisses me off the most is how it is business that has become it's own worst enemy. Do you really think the companies pushing this type of legislation care about an economy free of arbitrary government control. Fuck no! They want the government throwing it's weight around, only as long as the government is on "their side." Dammit!

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  5. When will it stop? by Aurix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If European Software patents are introduced, Europe will be a technology victim, and will be restricted from innovating (dare I say) like other countries.

    When will the European governments realise that software patents are/were a bad idea to implement? Will it be after their IT economy crashes? Or, several years after?

  6. Watch closely... by no+longer+myself · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What's really interesting about this case is the fact that Europe will more than likely approve the law without making any adjustments or making only superficial adjustments in order to say, "See? We took your side into consideration," without actually doing anything that would truly relieve any of the fears.

    As time goes by it will be useful to observe how people will cling to an increasingly abusive state, and to see how many of them will turn on their own friends and relatives to ensure the safety of their own skin.

    Meanwhile, for those of us who brave the -1 threshold I'm not even remotely surprised that this topic is being trolled to death. The corporatists have an agenda, and people trying to discuss their options threaten to interfere with their desire for unquestioned authority.

    Good Luck Europe.

  7. GPL Patents? by The+Slashdotted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many companies cross-licence their patent portfolio, so they can "innoviate" without treading on others IP. Would it be possible for the public to "develop" patents, transfer them to an FSF-like organization, and use them whenever a SCO type org starts threating the OSS public?

    I relize that Patents are different from Copyright in that patents must be defended to remain valid.. But does it prevent any $0 licence?

    People have claimed most patents are obvious. ./ readers could challenge ourselves to develop simularly obvious work.. The only problem I could see is enforcement costs time and money.

    1. Re:GPL Patents? by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

      I relize that Patents are different from Copyright in that patents must be defended to remain valid.. But does it prevent any $0 licence?

      Patents do not necessarily need to be defended to remain valid. In fact the presumption is that they do not. It might even be fair to say that the way things are right now most patents aren't defended. They just sit in the vault until the time is right.

      You'll find many of the morally offensive legal battles going on right now are over patents that sat latent for years before the holder decided to file a suit against someone with money.

      However, a good many patents are also given a public license, a $0 grant of use. The idea is not only valid but widely used.

      But, patents are not like copyright which simply exist from the moment of creation. Obtaining a patent is a legal process which is time consuming and costly. While it is practical for a rich corporation with a flock of its own patent attorneys to file patent claims by the wheelbarrow full, the independent inventor may not have the means to file a single patent, even on a very lucrative invention.

      And then yes, holding a patent is pointless if you can't defend it. Obtaining a patent might only cost a few hundreds to thousands of dollars. Defending one against Sony or Microsoft might well cost millions.

      It's a sticky wicket I'm afraid.

      KFG

    2. Re:GPL Patents? by jizmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's unlikely you'd get a U.S. patent for a few hundred dollars. The filing and maintenance fees alone even for a small entity can easily exceed a thousand dollars. That's assuming you write the entire patent application yourself. Unless the inventor has a lot of experience with patents he is quite likely to write a very narrow, useless patent. Patent attorneys start at about $200 an hour. Altogether the costs of obtaining a patent are measured in the tens of thousands of dollars, depending on the firm and the complexity of the invention.

      On the other hand, defending a patent is not necessarily expensive, because most alleged infringers would rather settle than litigate. Litigation costs millions for the defendant as well as the plaintiff, and the infringer can have huge potential liability (otherwise, the patentee wouldn't have gone to trial), say tens of millions of dollars.

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  8. what difference does it really make? by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here in the states, at least, the clueless ones have shown a marked tendency to listen to the "expert advice" of corporate lobbyists instead of the layman. So the end result has wound up being the same.

  9. now, what about this? by ardor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a hypothetical scenario: What if enough developers & scientists threaten to leave the EU? it has been said before that there are several countries denying this IP nonsense. now, if enough developers/scientists threaten to go, CEOs and politicians should start to think about it. without these people, no innovation would happen in the union. not that there's any chance that this might happen, of course.

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  10. These are the Good Old Days by serutan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think those of us who are still alive half a century from now will look back on this period of time as the end of a Golden Age, before The Few Who Must Own Every God Damn Thing took the world back, and the rest of us resumed our roles as peasants. Or I guess it's "consumers" now.

    1. Re:These are the Good Old Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, could this be the beginning of the end of capitalism as we know it. Lets look at history, of every system which first worked and got into severe imbalance where the masses had to suffer, there was a backswing.

      Religious wars (30 years war) had a philosophical backslash in the following years, which caused modern science the diversion of government and church and democracy, the absolutism ended in the french revolution and founding of the United States and the French Republic.

      The dictatorial communism ended in the collapse of the system because it was no longer carried by the people.

      And what we are running into here seems to be the end of the corporate capitalism.
      It would be more of a wonder than anything else if major corporations like they exist now will still be existing in about 100 years, if they dont change their way.

      Probably it could be the end of the monetary system at all, depending on the problems we run into by the current situation.
      From everything which had a major failure in the past people have turned away from at least for a few hundred years after the experiment failed.

      I see corporate capitalism going the way of the Dodo, all it needs is going down further down the current road, and a bunch of people (who will arise), with new ideas on a countersystem which could work!

      For instance going back to micro companies with open borders so that every country has the chance to produce and the wealth can be shared instead of being grabbed by a few corporations and the people behind it!

  11. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    except for those states that have poor IP law

    Since you don't tell us one goddamn thing about what your issues with the FFII's statements are-- you just say "it's FUD", but don't bother justifying this at all-- I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're hiding one hell of a lot of stuff behind those nine words there.

    Maybe the idea here is that the FFII's idea of "good IP law" and your idea of "poor IP law" happen to coincide, and what you call "poor IP law" is exactly what the FFII is trying to preserve?

    So when FFII blocks this directive snip gpl abuse

    This is a rediculous thing to say. The GPL requires a very minimal concept of copyright in order to operate. Essentially, in order to prevent abuse of the GPL, all that is necessary is for the law to say that you can't legally redistribute another person's copyrighted work without their consent.

    If you're honestly stating that there's some area where the copyright law doesn't say that, well screw it, that means that persons in that area can make derived works of the GPL in that area and give them to other persons in that area without supplying source. That also means that persons in that area can make as many copies of Adobe Photoshop as they want and give them out to anyone. I think you're going to find very few GPL advocates complaining about this situation. I also think you're going to find these countries perfectly capable of concluding this is an unacceptable situation and fixing it completely of their own accord without the EU implying this from outside by force and with extra conditions added.

  12. This is about stiffling competition.... by kellererik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... between the EU countries. What they want to avoid is the fact that a country with 'lax' IP laws could proof to be more successful than the ones with some kind of EU-DMCA.
    The EU isn't 'united', it's a bunch of countries trying to equalize everything while milking the ones with some money left, Germany and France come to mind here (why these countries have to pay more than they get while being punished for not meeting the deficit criteria is beyond me). Europe is dictated by the individual interests of the members, e.g. you cannot afford to buy a decent banana from South-America in the EU because France made sure the imports from around the world except their old colonies are heavy taxed.
    My point here is, since everybody is eying all others who might have an advantage, all members are easy prey for the lobbyists. The EU Commission is constantly under fire for not getting the needs of the people but ruling in favor of the big companies exporting the jobs to some Third-World country. Voting this year won't make a difference because regarding IP laws, the lobbyists where faster and have deeper pockets. Remember last year when EU-Citizens annoyed the politicians by demanding things while not paying for a free lunch at the same time?

    my 2 cents

  13. Special Treatment by Karl-Friedrich+Lenz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The strongest criticism of this legislation has been pointed out by Ross Anderson: Why do we need any special rules favoring plaintiffs in IP cases, as opposed to plaintiffs in all other cases?

    Even if there were any good reason for such special treatment, it comes at the cost of duplicating Member States' civil procedure and damage calculation rules, making them much more complicated.

    The correct way to do this would be to work within the framework of EU contract law harmonization.

    I have a few more comments on my blog, but generally I agree with all proposals to limit the damage from this harmful legislation project.

  14. Re:FUD by JPMH · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This directive merely harmonises law across states: it does not increase it (except for those states that have poor IP law)... The "anton piller" orders (i.e. search and seizure) they get so upset about are already available in many jurisdictions (e.g. the UK), all the directive is doing is making sure that the same procedures can be used across all EU member states, otherwise copyright infringers are able to locate their activities in a low-enforcement-quality state and make copyright law ineffective elsewhere in the EU.

    Strangely enough, this is just what Janelly Fourtou told us in Strasbourg last week, just after she tried to persuade MEPs that we were talking about an out-of-date draft of the Directive -- which we weren't; and just before she told us that she too has been trying to take patents out of the Directive -- which, according to minutes of recent 'Trialogue' meetings, she hasn't. (Mme Fourtou is the MEP who is steering this through the Europarliament, and entirely coincidentally happens to be the wife of the CEO of Vivendi-Universal)

    It simply isn't true.

    Anton Piller orders are currently only available in the UK and France ("saisi-contrefacon"). These secret court authorisations of raids for evidence carried out by the plaintiff's own agents are not available in any of the other states of the EU.

    Furthermore, after very strong criticism from the most senior judges, in the UK a strict new code of practice was brought in in the early 90s which cut the number of applications granted by a factor of ten. (See this page for references to the detailed cases). The judge who led that criticism, Lord Scott, was subsequently head of civil justice for five years, and is now one of the Lords of Appeal in the House of Lords -- the most senior court in the UK. He now chairs the House of Lords scrutiny committee which has refused to clear this legislation. If he is concerned about the detailed text, then we all should be.

    We are talking about unannounced dawn raids by private security firms, piling in with legal authority and seizing entire computer systems and filing cabinets full of documents. That is a terrifying and destructive experience for a small firm.

    That is why FFII is arguing that such measures should only be available in the most extreme circumstances, and where there is clear evidence of a deliberate knowing intent to infringe for commercial gain on a commercial scale. Such measures are totally inappropriate where there is no such deliberate piracy, and no such emergency, in cases as complex as those in patent law and disputed ownership of confidential information/trade secrets, which routinely can take five years in court. Such measures should not become automatic standard procedure in all IP disputes.

    Furthermore, we think it is simply insane to try to crash through such a major change in the civil justice system -- a truly massive change in the whole legal IP environment for most firms in Europe -- in three weeks flat from publication of the detailed text to final vote in Plenary, short circuiting all the normal three readings procedures of the Parliament, and before even first publication of the results of the UK consultation and the UK impact study.

    No, this is not just FUD.