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Knuth's Fascicle 3b Available

An anonymous reader writes "Looks like Knuth is making progress on volume 4 of The Art of Computer Programming. Another fascicle is available. More news here."

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  1. Book too big? Watch the movies! by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Informative

    And if reading the fascicle is too heavy going, remember that you can watch the movies instead, at http://scpd.stanford.edu/knuth/. Fourteen videos of Knuth's lectures are aavailable, inclusing last years's "Tenth Annual Christmas Tree Lecture: Finding All Spanning Trees".

    I watched the Tenth Annual Christmas Tree lecture live (the "trees", of course, being various computer science graphs and structures, not pine trees hung with colored lights) and found it surprisingly engaging and accessible even to an educated lay-person. If you have any interest in computer science or algorithm design, it's a fascinating way to spend an hour. (Disclaimer: I'd just watched the 1998 lecture to better understand Garsia-Wachs coding.)

    I was so excited about watching it live that I submitted the Knuth Christmas lecture as a story about it to Slashdot, but the editors didn't think it important enough to accept. (Nor the story on "brain fingerprinting" -- a kind of polygraph based on direct reading of brain waves -- casting doubt on a death sentence, nor Eagle's drummer Don Henley's op-ed piece in the Washington Post attacking the music industry and ruminating on p2p, nor the story about Anglo-German scientific rivalry and the resulting pickled baby "dragon".)

    1. Re:Book too big? Watch the movies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was so excited about watching it live that I submitted the Knuth Christmas lecture as a story about it to Slashdot, but the editors didn't think it important enough to accept. (Nor the story on "brain fingerprinting" -- a kind of polygraph based on direct reading of brain waves -- casting doubt on a death sentence, nor Eagle's drummer Don Henley's op-ed piece in the Washington Post attacking the music industry and ruminating on p2p, nor the story about Anglo-German scientific rivalry and the resulting pickled baby "dragon".)

      I've wondered in the past if those stories the editors reject are actually interesting... Now I know that the answer is an emphatic NO.

  2. Re:ask the community by albalbo · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Community should write Knuth's Art of Computer Programming? The series people have enough trouble *reading*?

    This is perhaps the finest troll of all time.

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  3. Re:ask the community by Permission+Denied · · Score: 5, Informative
    Give up copyrights to the community and let the community to help you writing the text.

    I hope you're joking.

    Have you tried reading TAoCP? This is not some computer book but is an in-depth study of all the mathematics that Computer Science comprises. Some of the exercies would serve as topics for a PhD thesis (and are marked as such).

    Suffice it to say that writing these books is not an easy task and I'm not sure if the series will ever get finished. I'm still on the first volume, so I don't know if I'll ever finish the series. Even though wikipedia shows us that a community effort can produce some good writing, I doubt it could ever produce something as in-depth as TAoCP.

    And besides this, I think Addison-Wesley would have something to say about putting TAoCP in public domain.

  4. publication schedule.... by jeffy124 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    general question:
    His publication schedule appears to be 2007 for Volume 4, 2010 for Volume 5, plus other work following that. I'm a little concerned about his age. I dont know how old he is, but he is retired and seems to have been for quite some time. Will he live long enough to actually finish Vol 5?

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    1. Re:publication schedule.... by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Knuth was born in 1938, making him 65-66 years old, 72-73 when the planned release of Volume 5 comes around. It's going to be a tight squeeze no doubt, but it's not impossible; Knuth could pull a Chomsky and keep on writing books into his eighties.

    2. Re:publication schedule.... by __past__ · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Remember that he is already some years (decades?) past his original schedule.

      TAOCP will not be finished. Period. Knuth is too much of a genius, and a perfectionist, to actually manage to complete it in his lifetime. It will end up like Karl Marx' Kapital (which was planned to have 6 volumes, and he died early in preparing the third - which some people argue was only the third part of volume 1), with few people actually understanding all of it, and heated debates of what things might mean in the light of the never-written later parts.

      With the exception that fewer people will die because of such controversies in Knuth' case, because there aren't too many militant guerilla groups fighting for the right way to do seminumerical algorithms.

    3. Re:publication schedule.... by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Funny

      With the exception that Knuth's work makes sense.

    4. Re:publication schedule.... by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In 1968, one could order the entire set for under $100, to be delivered as they were written.

      I wonder how many people are still waiting.

    5. Re:publication schedule.... by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Funny

      With the exception that fewer people will die because of such controversies in Knuth' case, because there aren't too many militant guerilla groups fighting for the right way to do seminumerical algorithms.

      That's the problem with kids today: no priorities, no gumption!

    6. Re:publication schedule.... by addaon · · Score: 2, Funny

      With the exception that fewer people will die because of such controversies in Knuth' case, because there aren't too many militant guerilla groups fighting for the right way to do seminumerical algorithms.

      All of a sudden I'm feeling rather inspired... does anyone want to start one with me?

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    7. Re:publication schedule.... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Wow! A new 'vi versus Emacs' flamewar with actual traction!

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    8. Re:publication schedule.... by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Informative

      Probably that's supposed to be funny, but for those who don't understand the context of the joke, Dr. Knuth is running behind (didn't I just write this up recently?) because

      1 - the work itself is huge (when first asked to write it he delivered some six or seven _hundred_ pages of manuscript as the first _chapter_, causing his editor to ask, ``Don, just how long is this book going to be?''

      2 - publishing switched from hot metal type set by a combination of casting machines and hand-work for mathematics typography to phototypesetters and after digital typesetters. Because of the limitations of the early typesetting systems, Dr. Knuth saw it as his obligation to set aside everything else and write a publishing / typesetting system for mathematics --- he thought it would be done over his sabbatical of that year, some decades later he announced TeX complete and frozen at version 3 (w/ a version number tending toward pi and a several hundred dollar reward for finding a bug).

      Lest you think TeX is irrelevant in these graphical days, TeXinfo is the basis for the GNU documentation format, an awful lot of XML gets typeset programmatically by TeX (look up xmltex for one example), Adobe uses TeX's H&J as the basis for the ``multi-line composer'' in their InDesign page layout application (by way of URW's HZ), and there're wonderful new formats such as ConTeXt and documentclasses such as KomaScript and Memoir _and_ w/ the new edition of _The LaTeX Companion_ soon to be published, work on LaTeX3 should accelerate.

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    9. Re:publication schedule.... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      With the exception that fewer people will die because of such controversies in Knuth' case, because there aren't too many militant guerilla groups fighting for the right way to do seminumerical algorithms.

      To help Knuth finishing "The Art of .." the guerilla's goal should be to legalize research into stem cells!

      Then Knuth could take a decade off and do something like TeX again. :-)

      (And lots of other people like me will have time to read it again...)

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    10. Re:publication schedule.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However large the number, man, did they ever get their money's worth!!

    11. Re:publication schedule.... by Detritus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bought a volume of TAOCP about 15 years ago that included a postcard for being notified when Volume 4 was published, which was supposed to be in the near future.

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    12. Re:publication schedule.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a linguistics student, let me assure you that Chomsky's does too...

  5. Re:ask the community by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Informative

    The community can help already. Download the fasciles and comb them for errors, as is explicitly requested on Knuth's news page.

  6. Re:ask the community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    See also his help wanted page.

  7. Re:ask the community by __past__ · · Score: 3, Informative
    Give up the copyrights to the community
    You know, if this weren't such a stupid proposal in the case of TAOCP, he might actually do that. Remember that TeX was one of the first explicitly free software programs, just with fewer bugs and less ideology than the stallmanist oevres.
  8. Re:ask the community by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of the exercies would serve as topics for a PhD thesis (and are marked as such).

    Like the one that asks: Prove that there is no solution for a^n+b^n=c^n for n>2

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  9. maybe Chomsky will to :) by cliveholloway · · Score: 2, Informative

    He's only 75.

    cLive ;-)

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  10. Large .ps.gz! by holygoat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stanford are going to hate us - direct linking to a 600K PostScript in the article.

    Don't click on it unless you actually plan on taking the time to READ it!

    1. Re:Large .ps.gz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this will spur Knuth on to complete volume 4 quicker.
      I say bring down the servers!

  11. Re:ask the community by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Funny


    Like the one that asks: Prove that there is no solution for a^n+b^n=c^n for n>2


    If only Addison-Wesley would print the volumes of TAoCP with bigger margins, we might have an answer to that already!

  12. Re:ask the community by Sunnan · · Score: 1
    And besides this, I think Addison-Wesley would have something to say about putting TAoCP in public domain.

    Honestly, isn't this a bummer? I'd love to glance them, read a few chapters, and maybe someday I will, but it would be delicious if the text just was on, say, wikipedia or similar.
  13. Re:ask the community by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

    Knuth doesn't belong on 'Short Attention Span Theatre' (aka the Internet).

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  14. Re:ask the community by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's worth noting that a number of Dr. Knuth's books are available insofar as is possible --- look for _The TeXbook_ and _The METAFONTbook_ in particular, also his _Mathematical Writing_, and of course, one can typeset the (Literate Programming) source of tex.web to essentially get the book _TeX: The Program_ (only up-dated ;)

    Dr. Knuth has also published some _way_ cool commentary on programs as literate commentary on them, esp. look for his coverage of _The Colossal Cave Adventure_

    William

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  15. By the way, these are *pre* fascicles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I forgot to mention that when I submitted the article.
    It also seems that pre-fascicle 2c has been renamed to pre-fascicle 3a.
    Seeing that pre-fascicles 2a and 2b total 138 pages and that 3a and 3b total 156 pages, perhaps the "real" fascicles 2 and 3 will shortly arrive (unless fascicle 1 has to be completed first).

    By the way, I'd start looking for errors in pre-fascicle 3c, the $2.56 reward applies to pre-fascicles as well. (I got a check from Knuth for one in one of the previous ones -- quite an amazing thing to get one of those famous checks!)

  16. Re:ask the community by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps they'll publish an 'Art of Computer Programming...For Dummies' someday. :)

  17. ever notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever noticed that all those "The Completely Moronic Idiot's Guide to Teach Yourself The Beginners Art of Computer Programming For Dummies In 24 Hours Made Easy" books have at least a thousand pages, which is a lot more than I can read in twenty-four hours? Makes me wonder if you're even supposed to read them. Perhaps they work by osmosis?

  18. Re:ask the community by Sunnan · · Score: 1

    Maybe so, but having the text available means that it's searchable.

    Maybe I would want to read a lot of the chapters, if they're as good as I'm told.

  19. At least this one's worth the wait by Flexagon · · Score: 1

    For many years, I wondered which volume 4 would come out first, George Lucas' or Knuth's. I'd much rather have had them the other way around!